Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

I am fairly new to Logic - my background is on hardware like an MPC.

1) LOOPING INDIVIDUAL TRACKS
If I create and layer a couple of MIDI tracks - I found out to to drag  
each of them out but instead of extending the Track, the track loops.  
Perfect. If the track I want to loop is selected, then hovering over  
the right hand side says Loop OFF and it essentially draws the track  
out but no loop. If the track is NOT selected, then hovering over the  
right edge of the track shows a loop icon and dragging it out loops  
it. Is there a more technical way to do this? IE: if a track is  
selected and you drag it out, you add length but if it is not  
selected, dragging extends as a loop?

2) REPEATING A TRACK
So now, I have an 8 bar track that I loop 2 times. Perfect. After n  
bars of silence now, I need to start the loop again. I guess I can  
copy the root 8 bars and then extend them as a loop from the new  
location - but is there a way to do this in Logic that would be more  
like a reference to the original 8 bars? If I improve the original 8  
bars, I don't want to have to go around to every copy of the 8 bars  
and 'improve' 'them also? What would you call that? A reference?

3) REPEATING A SECTION
For clarity, I am referring to a group of tracks as a SECTION. Lets  
say I've got the Chorus completed ... 24 tracks of pure goodness.  
Well, that chorus is going to come back around 4 times. How, in Logic,  
can I 'repeat' that section such that, a change to the original  
section would be represented in all the new, linked or referenced  
setions? To further complicate, what if I'd like to add a unique lead  
line to chorus iteration 4 ... does the SECTION expand out in the  
tracks window such that I could easily add another track and not mess  
up the SECTION?

I did notice something called Apple Loops. Does that work for MIDI as  
well as Audio? Would that feature apply to any of my questions here?  
Would I create a SECTION as described and then save it off as an Apple  
Loop - and then can I drop that anywhere in the song? I was  
disappointed in that it appears you create a loop and then it gets  
stored in a central repository ... well that's not good. I need that  
loop stored or archived with the song. I don't want to use it in other  
programs on the Mac - I want to use it in my song.

Hope these questions make sense. If they don't have direct  
implementations in Logic, are their ways to create the same end results?

Thanks in advance for any input.

-Luther

1/ You can drag the bottom or the top of a midi region. The bottom 
changes the size and the top changes the looping ... but only if you 
are zoomed in enough. You can also use a key command to turn on looping 
(infinitely) for a region without any dragging at all - which I use all 
the time. You can also use a key command to repeat a region any number 
of times.

2/ You can also look into ALIASes of loops. Thats what you are looking 
for.

3/ you can just copy and paste. Its slightly easier if you set up a 
cycle loop for the first chorus. Then if you select the tracks you want 
to copy it will only select ones that fall within the cycle zone. Then 
simply option + click drag these to the right to make a new chorus, 
then again and again.

4/ I think Apple loops are single track (stereo) audio tracks with 
timing info imbedded. Not what you are looking for here. although if 
you had audio for your chorus and wanted to change the timing from one 
chorus to the next it might be useful. I think you can save loops 
anywhere. You can also save the entire project with loops that are used 
in it. Check the manual for that. I just make a library of loops and 
have a folder for each song to keep the audio organized.

===========================================
1) LOOPING INDIVIDUAL TRACKS
If I create and layer a couple=2
0of MIDI tracks - I found out to to drag
each of them out but instead of extending the Track, the track loops.
Perfect. If the track I want to loop is selected, then hovering over
the right hand side says Loop OFF and it essentially draws the track
out but no loop. If the track is NOT selected, then hovering over the
right edge of the track shows a loop icon and dragging it out loops
it. Is there a more technical way to do this? IE: if a track is
selected and you drag it out, you add length but if it is not
selected, dragging extends as a loop?

2) REPEATING A TRACK
So now, I have an 8 bar track that I loop 2 times. Perfect. After n
bars of silence now, I need to start the loop again. I guess I can
copy the root 8 bars and then extend them as a loop from the new
location - but is there a way to do this in Logic that would be more
like a reference to the original 8 bars? If I improve the original 8
bars, I don't want to have to go around to every copy of the 8 bars
and 'improve' 'them also? What would you call that? A reference?


3) REPEATING A SECTION
For clarity, I am referring to a group of tracks as a SECTION. Lets
say I've got the Chorus completed ... 24 tracks of pure goodness.
Well, that chorus is going to come back around 4 times. How, in Logic,
can I 'repeat' that section such that, a change to the original
section would be represented in all the new, linked or ref
erenced
setions? To further complicate, what if I'd like to add a unique lead
line to chorus iteration 4 ... does the SECTION expand out in the
tracks window such that I could easily add another track and not mess
up the SECTION?

4. I did notice something called Apple Loops. Does that work for MIDI 
as
well as Audio? Would that feature apply to any of my questions here?
Would I create a SECTION as described and then save it off as an Apple
Loop - and then can I drop that anywhere in the song? I was
disappointed in that it appears you create a loop and then it gets
stored in a central repository ... well that's not good. I need that
loop stored or archived with the song. I don't want to use it in other
programs on the Mac - I want to use it in my song.

I am also pretty sure there is also a way to do a loop (for a long  
period say 15 times and then mute specific looped "regions" within  
that long loop but I forget how to do that.

Steve Currington
de Composer


On 9/09/2009, at 3:48 AM, GAmoore@... wrote:

> 1/ You can drag the bottom or the top of a midi region. The bottom
> changes the size and the top changes the looping ... but only if you
> are zoomed in enough. You can also use a key command to turn on  
> looping
> (infinitely) for a region without any dragging at all - which I use  
> all
> the time. You can also use a key command to repeat a region any number
> of times.
>
> 2/ You can also look into ALIASes of loops. Thats what you are looking
> for.
>
> 3/ you can just copy and paste. Its slightly easier if you set up a
> cycle loop for the first chorus. Then if you select the tracks you  
> want
> to copy it will only select ones that fall within the cycle zone. Then
> simply option + click drag these to the right to make a new chorus,
> then again and again.
>
> 4/ I think Apple loops are single track (stereo) audio tracks with
> timing info imbedded. Not what you are looking for here. although if
> you had audio for your chorus and wanted to change the timing from one
> chorus to the next it might be useful. I think you can save loops
> anywhere. You can also save the entire project with loops that are  
> used
> in it. Check the manual for that. I just make a library of loops and
> have a folder for each song to keep the audio organized.
>
> ===========================================
> 1) LOOPING INDIVIDUAL TRACKS
> If I create and layer a couple=2
> 0of MIDI tracks - I found out to to drag
> each of them out but instead of extending the Track, the track loops.
> Perfect. If the track I want to loop is selected, then hovering over
> the right hand side says Loop OFF and it essentially draws the track
> out but no loop. If the track is NOT selected, then hovering over the
> right edge of the track shows a loop icon and dragging it out loops
> it. Is there a more technical way to do this? IE: if a track is
> selected and you drag it out, you add length but if it is not
> selected, dragging extends as a loop?
>
> 2) REPEATING A TRACK
> So now, I have an 8 bar track that I loop 2 times. Perfect. After n
> bars of silence now, I need to start the loop again. I guess I can
> copy the root 8 bars and then extend them as a loop from the new
> location - but is there a way to do this in Logic that would be more
> like a reference to the original 8 bars? If I improve the original 8
> bars, I don't want to have to go around to every copy of the 8 bars
> and 'improve' 'them also? What would you call that? A reference?
>
> 3) REPEATING A SECTION
> For clarity, I am referring to a group of tracks as a SECTION. Lets
> say I've got the Chorus completed ... 24 tracks of pure goodness.
> Well, that chorus is going to come back around 4 times. How, in Logic,
> can I 'repeat' that section such that, a change to the original
> section would be represented in all the new, linked or ref
> erenced
> setions? To further complicate, what if I'd like to add a unique lead
> line to chorus iteration 4 ... does the SECTION expand out in the
> tracks window such that I could easily add another track and not mess
> up the SECTION?
>
> 4. I did notice something called Apple Loops. Does that work for MIDI
> as
> well as Audio? Would that feature apply to any of my questions here?
> Would I create a SECTION as described and then save it off as an Apple
> Loop - and then can I drop that anywhere in the song? I was
> disappointed in that it appears you create a loop and then it gets
> stored in a central repository ... well that's not good. I need that
> loop stored or archived with the song. I don't want to use it in other
> programs on the Mac - I want to use it in my song.
>
> 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I don't think you can make a loop and mute certain parts and have it 
continue. You can get that affect in several ways...basically stop the 
looping by dragging the upper right corner, or have infinite loop, then 
put an empty object in its path to stop it. Then to restart you need 
another instance (copy or alias) of the original or something new.

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Currington <steve@...>
To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:12 pm
Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Logic Express and MIDI



I am also pretty sure there is also a way to do a loop (for a long

period say 15 times and then mute specific looped "regions" within

that long loop but I forget how to do that.



Steve Currington

de Composer



On 9/09/2009, at 3:48 AM, GAmoore@... wrote:



> 1/ You can drag the bottom or the top of a midi region. The bottom

> changes the size and the top changes the looping ... but only if 
you

> are zoomed in enough. You can also use a key command to turn on

> looping

> (infinitely) for a region without any dragging at all - which I 
use

> all

> the time. You can also use a key command to repeat a region any 
number

> of times.

>

> 2/ You can also look into ALIASes of loops. Thats what you are 
looking

> for.

>



> 3/ you can just copy and paste. Its slightly easier if you set up a

> cycle loop for the first chorus. Then if you select the tracks you 


> want

> to copy it will only select ones that fall within the cycle zone. 
Then

> simply option + click drag these to the right to make a new chorus,

> then again and again.

>

> 4/ I think Apple loops are single track (stereo) audio tracks with

> timing info imbedded. Not what you are looking for here. although 
if

> you had audio for your chorus and wanted to change the timing from 
one

> chorus to the next it might be useful. I think you can save loops

> anywhere. You can also save the entire project with loops that are 


> used

> in it. Check the manual for that. I just make a library of loops 
and

> have a folder for each song to keep the audio organized.

>

> ===========================================

> 1) LOOPING INDIVIDUAL TRACKS

> If I create and layer a couple=2

> 0of MIDI tracks - I found out to to drag

> each of them out but instead of extending the Track, the track 
loops.

> Perfect. If the track I want to loop is selected, then hovering 
over

> the right hand side says Loop OFF and it essentially draws the20
track

> out but no loop. If the track is NOT selected, then hovering over 
the

> right edge of the track shows a loop icon and dragging it out loops

> it. Is there a more technical way to do this? IE: if a track is

> selected and you drag it out, you add length but if it is not

> selected, dragging extends as a loop?

>

> 2) REPEATING A TRACK

> So now, I have an 8 bar track that I loop 2 times. Perfect. After n

> bars of silence now, I need to start the loop again. I guess I can

> copy the root 8 bars and then extend them as a loop from the new

> location - but is there a way to do this in Logic that would be 
more

> like a reference to the original 8 bars? If I improve the original 
8

> bars, I don't want to have to go around to every copy of the 8 bars

> and 'improve' 'them also? What would you call that? A reference?

>

> 3) REPEATING A SECTION

> For clarity, I am referring to a group of tracks as a SECTION. Lets

> say I've got the Chorus completed ... 24 tracks of pure goodness.

> Well, that chorus is going to come back around 4 times. How, in 
Logic,

> can I 'repeat' that section such that, a change to the original

&gt; section would be represented in all the new, linked or ref

> erenced

> setions?=2
0To further complicate, what if I'd like to add a unique 
lead

> line to chorus iteration 4 ... does the SECTION expand out in the

> tracks window such that I could easily add another track and not 
mess

> up the SECTION?

>

> 4. I did notice something called Apple Loops. Does that work for 
MIDI

> as

> well as Audio? Would that feature apply to any of my questions 
here?

> Would I create a SECTION as described and then save it off as an 
Apple

> Loop - and then can I drop that anywhere in the song? I was

> disappointed in that it appears you create a loop and then it gets

> stored in a central repository ... well that's not good. I need 
that

> loop stored or archived with the song. I don't want to use it in 
other

> programs on the Mac - I want to use it in my song.

>

>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hmm I thought there was but maybe I am wrong.
I guess the other way would be place it once.. Repeat it X times then  
mute (or remove) the ones that you don't want to hear.  There is not a  
lotta point in this except to keep the spacing exact x beats etc

Steve Currington
de Composer
Wellington, New Zealand


On 9/09/2009, at 9:30 AM, GAmoore@... wrote:

> I don't think you can make a loop and mute certain parts and have it
> continue. You can get that affect in several ways...basically stop the
> looping by dragging the upper right corner, or have infinite loop,  
> then
> put an empty object in its path to stop it. Then to restart you need
> another instance (copy or alias) of the original or something new.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Currington <steve@...>
> To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:12 pm
> Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Logic Express and MIDI
>
> I am also pretty sure there is also a way to do a loop (for a long
>
> period say 15 times and then mute specific looped "regions" within
>
> that long loop but I forget how to do that.
>
> Steve Currington
>
> de Composer
>
> On 9/09/2009, at 3:48 AM, GAmoore@... wrote:
>
> > 1/ You can drag the bottom or the top of a midi region. The  
> bottom
>
> > changes the size and the top changes the looping ... but only if
> you
>
> > are zoomed in enough. You can also use a key command to turn on
>
> > looping
>
> > (infinitely) for a region without any dragging at all - which I
> use
>
> > all
>
> > the time. You can also use a key command to repeat a region any
> number
>
> > of times.
>
> >
>
> > 2/ You can also look into ALIASes of loops. Thats what you are
> looking
>
> > for.
>
> >
>
> > 3/ you can just copy and paste. Its slightly easier if you set  
> up a
>
> > cycle loop for the first chorus. Then if you select the tracks  
> you
>
> > want
>
> > to copy it will only select ones that fall within the cycle zone.
> Then
>
> > simply option + click drag these to the right to make a new  
> chorus,
>
> > then again and again.
>
> >
>
> > 4/ I think Apple loops are single track (stereo) audio tracks  
> with
>
> > timing info imbedded. Not what you are looking for here. although
> if
>
> > you had audio for your chorus and wanted to change the timing  
> from
> one
>
> > chorus to the next it might be useful. I think you can save loops
>
> > anywhere. You can also save the entire project with loops that  
> are
>
> > used
>
> > in it. Check the manual for that. I just make a library of loops
> and
>
> > have a folder for each song to keep the audio organized.
>
> >
>
> > ===========================================
>
> > 1) LOOPING INDIVIDUAL TRACKS
>
> > If I create and layer a couple=2
>
> > 0of MIDI tracks - I found out to to drag
>
> > each of them out but instead of extending the Track, the track
> loops.
>
> > Perfect. If the track I want to loop is selected, then hovering
> over
>
> > the right hand side says Loop OFF and it essentially draws the20
> track
>
> > out but no loop. If the track is NOT selected, then hovering over
> the
>
> > right edge of the track shows a loop icon and dragging it out  
> loops
>
> > it. Is there a more technical way to do this? IE: if a track is
>
> > selected and you drag it out, you add length but if it is not
>
> > selected, dragging extends as a loop?
>
> >
>
> > 2) REPEATING A TRACK
>
> > So now, I have an 8 bar track that I loop 2 times. Perfect.  
> After n
>
> > bars of silence now, I need to start the loop again. I guess I  
> can
>
> > copy the root 8 bars and then extend them as a loop from the new
>
> > location - but is there a way to do this in Logic that would be
> more
>
> > like a reference to the original 8 bars? If I improve the  
> original
> 8
>
> > bars, I don't want to have to go around to every copy of the 8  
> bars
>
> > and 'improve' 'them also? What would you call that? A reference?
>
> >
>
> > 3) REPEATING A SECTION
>
> > For clarity, I am referring to a group of tracks as a SECTION.  
> Lets
>
> > say I've got the Chorus completed ... 24 tracks of pure goodness.
>
> > Well, that chorus is going to come back around 4 times. How, in
> Logic,
>
> > can I 'repeat' that section such that, a change to the original
>
> > section would be represented in all the new, linked or ref
>
> > erenced
>
> > setions?=2
> 0To further complicate, what if I'd like to add a unique
> lead
>
> > line to chorus iteration 4 ... does the SECTION expand out in the
>
> > tracks window such that I could easily add another track and not
> mess
>
> > up the SECTION?
>
> >
>
> > 4. I did notice something called Apple Loops. Does that work for
> MIDI
>
> > as
>
> > well as Audio? Would that feature apply to any of my questions
> here?
>
> > Would I create a SECTION as described and then save it off as an
> Apple
>
> > Loop - and then can I drop that anywhere in the song? I was
>
> > disappointed in that it appears you create a loop and then it  
> gets
>
> > stored in a central repository ... well that's not good. I need
> that
>
> > loop stored or archived with the song. I don't want to use it in
> other
>
> > programs on the Mac - I want to use it in my song.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hmm or I guess you could loop it then use Automation to zero the  
volume for specific areas - effectively muting it.

Just off the wall ideas


Steve Currington
de Composer
Wellington, New Zealand


On 9/09/2009, at 9:40 AM, Steve Currington wrote:

> Hmm I thought there was but maybe I am wrong.
> I guess the other way would be place it once.. Repeat it X times then
> mute (or remove) the ones that you don't want to hear. There is not a
> lotta point in this except to keep the spacing exact x beats etc
>
> Steve Currington
> de Composer
> Wellington, New Zealand
>
> On 9/09/2009, at 9:30 AM, GAmoore@... wrote:
>
> > I don't think you can make a loop and mute certain parts and have it
> > continue. You can get that affect in several ways...basically stop  
> the
> > looping by dragging the upper right corner, or have infinite loop,
> > then
> > put an empty object in its path to stop it. Then to restart you need
> > another instance (copy or alias) of the original or something new.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Steve Currington <steve@...>
> > To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:12 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Logic Express and MIDI
> >
> > I am also pretty sure there is also a way to do a loop (for a long
> >
> > period say 15 times and then mute specific looped "regions" within
> >
> > that long loop but I forget how to do that.
> >
> > Steve Currington
> >
> > de Composer
> >
> > On 9/09/2009, at 3:48 AM, GAmoore@... wrote:
> >
> > > 1/ You can drag the bottom or the top of a midi region. The
> > bottom
> >
> > > changes the size and the top changes the looping ... but only  
> if
> > you
> >
> > > are zoomed in enough. You can also use a key command to turn on
> >
> > > looping
> >
> > > (infinitely) for a region without any dragging at all - which I
> > use
> >
> > > all
> >
> > > the time. You can also use a key command to repeat a region any
> > number
> >
> > > of times.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > 2/ You can also look into ALIASes of loops. Thats what you are
> > looking
> >
> > > for.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > 3/ you can just copy and paste. Its slightly easier if you set
> > up a
> >
> > > cycle loop for the first chorus. Then if you select the tracks
> > you
> >
> > > want
> >
> > > to copy it will only select ones that fall within the cycle  
> zone.
> > Then
> >
> > > simply option + click drag these to the right to make a new
> > chorus,
> >
> > > then again and again.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > 4/ I think Apple loops are single track (stereo) audio tracks
> > with
> >
> > > timing info imbedded. Not what you are looking for here.  
> although
> > if
> >
> > > you had audio for your chorus and wanted to change the timing
> > from
> > one
> >
> > > chorus to the next it might be useful. I think you can save  
> loops
> >
> > > anywhere. You can also save the entire project with loops that
> > are
> >
> > > used
> >
> > > in it. Check the manual for that. I just make a library of  
> loops
> > and
> >
> > > have a folder for each song to keep the audio organized.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > ===========================================
> >
> > > 1) LOOPING INDIVIDUAL TRACKS
> >
> > > If I create and layer a couple=2
> >
> > > 0of MIDI tracks - I found out to to drag
> >
> > > each of them out but instead of extending the Track, the track
> > loops.
> >
> > > Perfect. If the track I want to loop is selected, then hovering
> > over
> >
> > > the right hand side says Loop OFF and it essentially draws  
> the20
> > track
> >
> > > out but no loop. If the track is NOT selected, then hovering  
> over
> > the
> >
> > > right edge of the track shows a loop icon and dragging it out
> > loops
> >
> > > it. Is there a more technical way to do this? IE: if a track is
> >
> > > selected and you drag it out, you add length but if it is not
> >
> > > selected, dragging extends as a loop?
> >
> > >
> >
> > > 2) REPEATING A TRACK
> >
> > > So now, I have an 8 bar track that I loop 2 times. Perfect.
> > After n
> >
> > > bars of silence now, I need to start the loop again. I guess I
> > can
> >
> > > copy the root 8 bars and then extend them as a loop from the  
> new
> >
> > > location - but is there a way to do this in Logic that would be
> > more
> >
> > > like a reference to the original 8 bars? If I improve the
> > original
> > 8
> >
> > > bars, I don't want to have to go around to every copy of the 8
> > bars
> >
> > > and 'improve' 'them also? What would you call that? A  
> reference?
> >
> > >
> >
> > > 3) REPEATING A SECTION
> >
> > > For clarity, I am referring to a group of tracks as a SECTION.
> > Lets
> >
> > > say I've got the Chorus completed ... 24 tracks of pure  
> goodness.
> >
> > > Well, that chorus is going to come back around 4 times. How, in
> > Logic,
> >
> > > can I 'repeat' that section such that, a change to the original
> >
> > > section would be represented in all the new, linked or ref
> >
> > > erenced
> >
> > > setions?=2
> > 0To further complicate, what if I'd like to add a unique
> > lead
> >
> > > line to chorus iteration 4 ... does the SECTION expand out in  
> the
> >
> > > tracks window such that I could easily add another track and  
> not
> > mess
> >
> > > up the SECTION?
> >
> > >
> >
> > > 4. I did notice something called Apple Loops. Does that work  
> for
> > MIDI
> >
> > > as
> >
> > > well as Audio? Would that feature apply to any of my questions
> > here?
> >
> > > Would I create a SECTION as described and then save it off as  
> an
> > Apple
> >
> > > Loop - and then can I drop that anywhere in the song? I was
> >
> > > disappointed in that it appears you create a loop and then it
> > gets
> >
> > > stored in a central repository ... well that's not good. I need
> > that
> >
> > > loop stored or archived with the song. I don't want to use it  
> in
> > other
> >
> > > programs on the Mac - I want to use it in my song.
> >
> > >
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its really not hard or involved. it takes 15 seconds to do this :
take a single loop, hit a key command to loop it indefinitely. then 
option drag, as many copies as you want. take one of the copies and hit 
m to mute it. shorten it to one bar and turn off its looping by hitting 
the same keycommand as above. then drag the muted one to any place you 
want the loop to stop. and drag a live one to where you want it to 
start again. voila.

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Currington <steve@...>
To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:46 pm
Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Logic Express and MIDI

 






Hmm or I guess you could loop it then use Automation to zero the

volume for specific areas - effectively muting it.



Just off the wall ideas



Steve Currington

de Composer

Wellington, New Zealand



On 9/09/2009, at 9:40 AM, Steve Currington wrote:



&gt; Hmm I thought there was but maybe I am wrong.

> I guess the other way would be place it once.. Repeat it X times 
then

> mute (or remove) the ones that you don't want to hear. There is 
not a

> lotta point in this except to keep the spacing exact x beats etc

>

> Steve Currington

> de Composer

> Wellington, New Zealand

>

> On 9/09/2009, at 9:30 AM, GAmoore@... wrote:=0
D

>

> > I don't think you can make a loop and mute certain parts and 
have it

> > continue. You can get that affect in several ways...basically 
stop

> the

> > looping by dragging the upper right corner, or have infinite 
loop,

&gt; > then

> > put an empty object in its path to stop it. Then to restart 
you need

> > another instance (copy or alias) of the original or something 
new.

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

&gt; > From: Steve Currington <steve@...>

> > To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com

> > Sent: Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:12 pm

> > Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Logic Express and MIDI

> >

> >; I am also pretty sure there is also a way to do a loop (for a 
long

> >

> > period say 15 times and then mute specific looped "regions" 
within

> >

> > that long loop but I forget how to do that.

> >

> > Steve Currington

> >

> > de Composer

> >

> > On 9/09/2009, at 3:48 AM, GAmoore@... wrote:

> >

> > > 1/ You can drag the bottom or the top of a midi region. 
The

> > bottom

> >

> > > changes the size and the top changes the looping ... but 
only

> if

&g
t; > you

> >;

> > > are zoomed in enough. You can also use a key command to 
turn on

> >

> > > looping

> >

> > > (infinitely) for a region without any dragging at all - 
which I

> > use

> >

> > > all

> >

> > > the time. You can also use a key command to repeat a 
region any

> > number

> >;

> > > of times.

> >

> > >

> >

> >; > 2/ You can also look into ALIASes of loops. Thats what 
you are

>; > looking

> >

> > > for.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > 3/ you can just copy and paste. Its slightly easier if 
you set

> > up a

> >

> > > cycle loop for the first chorus. Then if you select the 
tracks

> > you

> >

&gt; > > want

> >

> > > to copy it will only select ones that fall within the 
cycle

> zone.

> > Then

> >

>; > > simply option + click drag these to the right to make a 
new

&gt; > chorus,

> >

> > > then again and again.

> >;

> > >

> >

> > > 4/=2
0I think Apple loops are single track (stereo) audio 
tracks

> > with

> >

> > > timing info imbedded. Not what you are looking for here. 


> although

> > if

> >

> > > you had audio for your chorus and wanted to change the 
timing

> > from

> > one

> >

> > > chorus to the next it might be useful. I think you can 
save

> loops

> >

> > > anywhere. You can also save the entire project with 
loops that

> > are

> >

> > > used

> >

> > > in it. Check the manual for that. I just make a library 
of

> loops

> > and

> >

> > > have a folder for each song to keep the audio organized.

> >

> > &gt;

> >

> > > ===========================================

> >

> > > 1) LOOPING INDIVIDUAL TRACKS

> >;

> > > If I create and layer a couple=2

> >

> > > 0of MIDI tracks - I found out to to drag

> >

> > > each of them out but instead of extending the Track, the 
track

> > loops.

> >

> > > Perfect. If the track
 I want to loop is selected, then 
hovering

> > over

> >

> > > the right hand side says Loop OFF and it essentially 
draws

> the20

> > track

> >

> > > out but no loop. If the track is NOT selected, then 
hovering

> over

> > the

> >

> > > right edge of the track shows a loop icon and dragging 
it out

> > loops

> >

> > > it. Is there a more technical way to do this? IE: if a 
track is

> >

> > > selected and you drag it out, you add length but if it 
is not

> >

> > > selected, dragging extends as a loop?

> >

> > >

> >

> > &gt; 2) REPEATING A TRACK

> >

> > > So now, I have an 8 bar track that I loop 2 times. 
Perfect.

> > After n

> >

> &gt; > bars of silence now, I need to start the loop again. I 
guess I

&gt; > can

> >

> > > copy the root 8 bars and then extend them as a loop from 
the

> new

> >

> > > location - but is there a way to do this in Logic that 
would be

> > more

> >

> > > like a reference to the original 8 bars? If I improve20the

> > original

> > 8

> >

> > > bars, I don't want to have to go around to every copy of 
the 8

> > bars

> >

> > > and 'improve' 'them also? What would you call that? A

> reference?

> >

> > >

> >

> > > 3) REPEATING A SECTION

> >

> > > For clarity, I am referring to a group of tracks as a 
SECTION.

> > Lets

> >

> > &gt; say I've got the Chorus completed ... 24 tracks of pure

> goodness.

> >

> > > Well, that chorus is going to come back around 4 times. 
How, in

> > Logic,

> >

> > > can I 'repeat' that section such that, a change to the 
original

> >

> > > section would be represented in all the new, linked or 
ref

> >

> > > erenced

> >

> > > setions?=2

> > 0To further complicate, what if I'd like to add a unique

> > lead

> >

> > > line to chorus iteration 4 ... does the SECTION expand 
out in

> the

> >

> > > tracks window such that I could easily add another track 
and

> not

> > mess

> >

> > > up the SECTION?=0
D

> >

> > >

> >

> > > 4. I did notice something called Apple Loops. Does that 
work

> for

> > MIDI

> >

> > > as

> >

>; > > well as Audio? Would that feature apply to any of my 
questions

> > here?

> >

> > > Would I create a SECTION as described and then save it 
off as

> an

> > Apple

> >

> > > Loop - and then can I drop that anywhere in the song? I 
was

&gt; >

> > > disappointed in that it appears you create a loop and 
then it

> > gets

> >

> > > stored in a central repository ... well that's not good. 
I need

> > that

> >

&gt; > > loop stored or archived with the song. I don't want to 
use it

> in

> > other

> >

> > > programs on the Mac - I want to use it in my song.

> >

> > >

> >

> &gt; >

> >

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Thanks for all the input with this. I'll try some of these ideas and look up ALIAS's.

-Luther


--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, GAmoore@... wrote:

>
> 1/ You can drag the bottom or the top of a midi region. The bottom 
> changes the size and the top changes the looping ... but only if you 
> are zoomed in enough. You can also use a key command to turn on looping 
> (infinitely) for a region without any dragging at all - which I use all 
> the time. You can also use a key command to repeat a region any number 
> of times.
> 
> 2/ You can also look into ALIASes of loops. Thats what you are looking 
> for.
> 
> 3/ you can just copy and paste. Its slightly easier if you set up a 
> cycle loop for the first chorus. Then if you select the tracks you want 
> to copy it will only select ones that fall within the cycle zone. Then 
> simply option + click drag these to the right to make a new chorus, 
> then again and again.
> 
> 4/ I think Apple loops are single track (stereo) audio tracks with 
> timing info imbedded. Not what you are looking for here. although if 
> you had audio for your chorus and wanted to change the timing from one 
> chorus to the next it might be useful. I think you can save loops 
> anywhere. You can also save the entire project with loops that are used 
> in it. Check the manual for that. I just make a library of loops and 
> have a folder for each song to keep the audio organized.
>