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Ok so I Use Logic 5.5, I think it's time to upgrade lol...

Ok so I Use Logic 5.5, I think it's time to upgrade lol...

2009-09-10 by dachillone4u

Well I have been very admit about never upgrading my logic that I purchased many moons ago, but the new versions that I see seem undeniable. 

I need suggestions on a good setup on the Mac end for strictly logic. 

So what type of Mac should I look into?

Are there options for multiple displays(I have a three monitor setup right now)?

Best or Decent sound card suggestions?

That's about it really. 

Thanks for any help.

Re: [Logic_Cafe] Ok so I Use Logic 5.5, I think it's time to upgrade lol...

2009-09-10 by GAmoore@aol.com

Hope you have a trust fund to buy what you need. You should go with an 
intel based mac - the new OS can not be installed on a G5 (I already 
tried it!). If you are serious about music get a Mac Pro. Yes, you can 
do multiple monitors - on a mac pro but not imac - which allow 
mirroring only I believe. If money is an issue, then get an older intel 
mac, or in worse case a G5 pro (about $400 on ebay). You also need as 
much ram as possible, and maybe an extra internal SATA drive.
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-----Original Message-----
From: dachillone4u <dachillone4u@...>
To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:14 pm
Subject: [Logic_Cafe] Ok so I Use Logic 5.5, I think it's time to 
upgrade lol...

 






Well I have been very admit about never upgrading my logic that I 
purchased many moons ago, but the new versions that I see seem 
undeniable.



I need suggestions on a good setup on the Mac end for strictly logic.



So what type of Mac should I look into?



Are there options for multiple displays(I have a three monitor setup 
right now)?



Best or Decent sound card suggestions?



That's about it really.



Thanks for any help.

Re: [Logic_Cafe] Ok so I Use Logic 5.5, I think it's time to upgrade lol...

2009-09-10 by Charles Franklin

That sounds about right. 

I was looking on ebay today at the prices. I've found a couple in the $1,000 range that seem to meet the requirement on the apple site.

 Thanks for letting me know about the G5 issue. 

What about sound cards?

Will the switch from the very old version of logic to the newer version be drastic? 
I mean in terms of shortcuts that I already know or functions. 

Sorry to bother you, but I do not know anything about the Mac.





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From: "GAmoore@..." <GAmoore@...>
To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 4:39:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Ok so I Use Logic 5.5, I think it's time to upgrade lol...

  
Hope you have a trust fund to buy what you need. You should go with an 
intel based mac - the new OS can not be installed on a G5 (I already 
tried it!). If you are serious about music get a Mac Pro. Yes, you can 
do multiple monitors - on a mac pro but not imac - which allow 
mirroring only I believe. If money is an issue, then get an older intel 
mac, or in worse case a G5 pro (about $400 on ebay). You also need as 
much ram as possible, and maybe an extra internal SATA drive.

-----Original Message-----
From: dachillone4u <dachillone4u@ yahoo.com>
To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2009 1:14 pm
Subject: [Logic_Cafe] Ok so I Use Logic 5.5, I think it's time to 
upgrade lol...

 

Well I have been very admit about never upgrading my logic that I 
purchased many moons ago, but the new versions that I see seem 
undeniable.

I need suggestions on a good setup on the Mac end for strictly logic.

So what type of Mac should I look into?

Are there options for multiple displays(I have a three monitor setup 
right now)?

Best or Decent sound card suggestions?

That's about it really.

Thanks for any help.


   


      

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Re: [Logic_Cafe] Ok so I Use Logic 5.5, I think it's time to upgrade lol...

2009-09-10 by Steve Currington

I say go for a MAC Pro if you have the $$$..  If you get new go to the  
mac store or apple website and get them to build what you want.. ala  
make sure there is plenty of RAM and multiple reasonable sized and  
quick hard drives.  Also obviously the fastest processors that you can  
afford.
That said you will need to have won a lottery or have a good bank  
balance.

NB multiple hard drives is good.   one for the apps,   one for the   
songs.. (and even a separate one for the samples storage etc.   If you  
can afford it).   That way you get maximum throughput whenever needed  
as usually the drive bandwidth is a bottle neck for any application.

Multiple monitors is  also possible.. Just make sure that the Apple  
guy's set the MAC PRo up the right number of video card/video outlets  
that you need.

If you are short on cash then get an iMAC.. Get one with Max'd out RAM  
and the fastest processor.  Then get a good fast external firewire  
hard drive.
Hmm iMAC's have an additional monitor port on the back so should be  
able to handle 2 monitors..    If not check out Matrox TripleHead or  
similar.
(http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/products/gxm/th2go/? 
productTabs=1)    This will allow multiple monitors on most systems.   
There are versions for most applications.

Hey when you get it let us now what you buy.. we will all be interested.

Re sound cards.. I suggest checking out external firewire sound  
devices such at MOTU, RME etc..   That way you can plug in monitors,  
mics,  instruments, outboard junk  the lot.
Make sure the sound device is from a quality brand and also has good  
support and reliable firewire drivers (which is why I mentioned the  
above two - I have a Motu Traveler Mk3 and love it - but others are  
also good and I am sure other listeners will have ideas or opinions  
about what audio units they prefer.).

Steve Currington
de Composer
Wellington, New Zealand
Web:        http://www.singers.org.nz
Twitter: @kiwicomposer
Facebook: kiwicomposer



-------------------------------------
My Studio
Hardware: 24" iMac 2.8Ghz, 4Gb RAM, 320Gb Int. HDD, 2 x 1Tb Ext. HDD,  
500Gb Portable Ext. Drive, Broadband Internet,
               Apple Airport Extreme Wireless Network, M-Audio  
AxiomPro49 Keyboard, Motu Traveler Firewire Audio, various microphones
Software: OSX v10.6 (Snow Leopard), Sibelius 6.03, Logic Studio v8 &  
v9, NeoOffice, Firefox, Zotero, various software Synth and instruments

On 11/09/2009, at 8:14 AM, dachillone4u wrote:

> Well I have been very admit about never upgrading my logic that I  
> purchased many moons ago, but the new versions that I see seem  
> undeniable.
>
> I need suggestions on a good setup on the Mac end for strictly logic.
>
> So what type of Mac should I look into?
>
> Are there options for multiple displays(I have a three monitor setup  
> right now)?
>
> Best or Decent sound card suggestions?
>
> That's about it really.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> 



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Re: [Logic_Cafe] Ok so I Use Logic 5.5, I think it's time to upgrade lol...

2009-09-10 by GAmoore@aol.com

I have bought several macs new, but I never have Apple configure them 
with the ram and all... because they charge 300% more for ram than you 
can buy elsewhere. Supposedly they test it or make sure it works, but I 
can't see wasting $1000 for that difference.

Its debatable whether its better to get a new Imac or a used Mac Pro. 
You can probably get a 1st generation mac pro for $1000 or so - which 
will allow for UAD cards, extra monitors etc. The Imac does not allow 
very much ram, only one hard disk, monitor mirroring, and probably some 
degraded buss performance. I believe the system archetecture and 
supporting hardware make a mac pro significantly faster than an imac at 
the same clock speed. Plus mac pro's have quad processors versus double 
ones in imacs.

mac's have "soundcards" built in. there are audio jacks already. I 
don't use any MOTU or M-audio or Native Instruments interfaces though - 
as I always had problems with drivers and updates. So i use external 
units, and communicate with the computer via the optical in and out - 
so I don't need any drivers at all!

by the way, I installed snow leopard over (not clean) the existing mac 
os on three systems - but only the music system with Logic had 
problems. No problems with Photoshop. And Logic is made by the same 
people who make the OS!!!!

Re: [Logic_Cafe] Ok so I Use Logic 5.5, I think it's time to upgrade lol...

2009-09-10 by Steve Currington

I agree wit the RAM stuff. Apples prices are way to high and one can  
do it yourself quickly and cheaper.

Again if you have the $$ and wanna buy new do so.   Nothing like  
taking new equipment out of the box for the first time..  But that is  
short lived excitement and practical use is where it counts and no the  
clean smell of new gear..    If you are happy with used gear check the  
used equipment market  but just make sure it is compatible and I guess  
still upgradable - which is probably rarely an issue.

My Snow Leopard is fine but I have not pushed it to the limits yet. In  
fact only being dong light duties with Logic 9 on Snow Leopard so  
guess can't honestly comment.

I guess the question is what level of power do you need and what do  
you wanna do with Logic.. If it is light duties stuff an iMAC 24" with  
8Gb RAM and 3Ghz Intel core 2 processor might do you  But if you are  
planning on Power Use then go with the Mac Pro and build you machine  
to perfectly meet your usage needs - and grow the mac pro as your  
needs (and $$) grow.

Steve Currington
de Composer
Wellington, New Zealand


On 11/09/2009, at 10:59 AM, GAmoore@... wrote:

> I have bought several macs new, but I never have Apple configure them
> with the ram and all... because they charge 300% more for ram than you
> can buy elsewhere. Supposedly they test it or make sure it works,  
> but I
> can't see wasting $1000 for that difference.
>
> Its debatable whether its better to get a new Imac or a used Mac Pro.
> You can probably get a 1st generation mac pro for $1000 or so - which
> will allow for UAD cards, extra monitors etc. The Imac does not allow
> very much ram, only one hard disk, monitor mirroring, and probably  
> some
> degraded buss performance. I believe the system archetecture and
> supporting hardware make a mac pro significantly faster than an imac  
> at
> the same clock speed. Plus mac pro's have quad processors versus  
> double
> ones in imacs.
>
> mac's have "soundcards" built in. there are audio jacks already. I
> don't use any MOTU or M-audio or Native Instruments interfaces  
> though -
> as I always had problems with drivers and updates. So i use external
> units, and communicate with the computer via the optical in and out -
> so I don't need any drivers at all!
>
> by the way, I installed snow leopard over (not clean) the existing mac
> os on three systems - but only the music system with Logic had
> problems. No problems with Photoshop. And Logic is made by the same
> people who make the OS!!!!
>
> 



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Re: [Logic_Cafe] Ok so I Use Logic 5.5, I think it's time to upgrade lol...

2009-09-11 by Gregory Anderson

Both the current iMacs and MacBooks have dual monitor capabilities  
that are NOT limited to mirroring.  The older iMacs had that  
restriction, but I bought mine 2.5 years ago and it is not limited to  
mirroring.  However, they won't give you three monitors, so the  
others are right that you probably want a Mac Pro.  Mine has 4 DVI  
outs - I just wish I had enough room on my desk for 4 monitors!

RAM is useful for running large AU instruments, and fast disk drives  
are good for running lots of tracks, so buy as your needs indicate.   
I agree with everyone else that you should do the RAM yourself,  
rather than have Apple do it - far fewer $$$.

My audio drive is external FW800, and I don't have any probs.  My  
audio "cards" are also external, FW400 (MOTU 828 and Presonus FP10).   
My MOTU has been more solid than the Presonus, but they both are  
pretty good, and I can aggregate them so that Logic sees them as one  
huge 18-input sound card.

The more discriminating ears, however, tend to opt for the Apogee,  
Metric Halo or RME interfaces, but Firewire is likely to be around  
longer than PCI-e, so I'd stick with external, rather that card-based  
audio interfaces.

I don't see much point in buying a used computer.  Macs hold their  
value far too well, and since you are looking at it strictly for  
music, the one real benefit to buying used, tons of installed  
software for evaluation purposes only, is kind of moot for you.

As for differences in Logic, I don't remember back to 5.5 (though I  
still have it on my computer), but I think my  key commands have  
survived every upgrade so far.  Some keys have changed to match Mac  
conventions, such as CMD-click no longer sending an audio file to the  
arrange window, but I think that the learning curve (and there will  
be a learning curve, rest assured) is worth it.  Especially for v.8.   
I don't think everyone else loved it as much as I, but the whole  
single window approach introduced in 8 made a HUGE difference in my  
productivity.

Good luck.

Gregory
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On Sep 10, 2009, at 4:14 PM, dachillone4u wrote:

> Well I have been very admit about never upgrading my logic that I  
> purchased many moons ago, but the new versions that I see seem  
> undeniable.
>
> I need suggestions on a good setup on the Mac end for strictly logic.
>
> So what type of Mac should I look into?
>
> Are there options for multiple displays(I have a three monitor  
> setup right now)?
>
> Best or Decent sound card suggestions?
>
> That's about it really.
>
> Thanks for any help.

Re: Ok so I Use Logic 5.5, I think it's time to upgrade lol...

2009-09-11 by pete_buchwald

Hey,

       About a year ago I found I was maxing-out my dual G4 pretty frequently with my Logic sessions.   Had to beg, borrow, steal, cuss and freeze (tracks) to get them to work.

       I opted for a mac pro, quad core, off of eBay (but local, to avoid shipping).    I didn't get a lot of RAM in the purchase, but I've been adding that little by little.  

       There's room for cards to be installed in the back, which I'm sure can be a solution for your three monitors (that would be cool!!).   

        I mainly wanted to sound in on the sound card issue.   It seems to depend on how many tracks you want to record at the same time.  Or .. if you need surround sound output or something specific like that.   

        I have been happy with my MOTU 8-Pre, the 8 inputs give me enough to record a drum kit.   Or I can use the optical out to connect with a digital mixer or another 8-pre, etc.   and get more inputs that way.   

        But like I said, the sound card solution depends on the needs of your work.

        Keep us posted.

          Pete


--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, "dachillone4u" <dachillone4u@...> wrote:
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>
> Well I have been very admit about never upgrading my logic that I purchased many moons ago, but the new versions that I see seem undeniable. 
> 
> I need suggestions on a good setup on the Mac end for strictly logic. 
> 
> So what type of Mac should I look into?
> 
> Are there options for multiple displays(I have a three monitor setup right now)?
> 
> Best or Decent sound card suggestions?
> 
> That's about it really. 
> 
> Thanks for any help.
>

Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: Ok so I Use Logic 5.5, I think it's time to upgrade lol...

2009-09-11 by GAmoore@aol.com

Regarding new mac-pro versus used ....

I just checked and mac-pro's START at $2499 + $250 tax in California = 
$2750 MINIMUM.... with minimal ram which will need to be upgraded. On 
the other hand, Mac Pro's are sitting on ebay now with $800-1000 
starting bids... and maybe more ram and an extra hard disk.

Apple's introductory tower used to be $1500-$1800. In the midst of an 
economic downturn, they have evidently raised their prices. But this is 
happening all over the place - quietly raising prices on things. For 
example, I bought a bunch of screws in Home Depot in little plastic 
bags that used to be 88 cents, now $1.18. Dog food that was $8.99 a few 
years ago, then $10.99 is now $12.99.

I have bought 5-6 new macs in the past years, but I am just going to 
sit on my current older mac pro for quite a while. I don't think its 
worth it to keep a G4 or G5 as its a dead archetecture and no longer 
supported. So I would get a Mac Pro tower, Imac Pro, or Powerbook Pro 
as your budget allows - keeping mind that having more ram is really a 
necessity.

Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: Ok so I Use Logic 5.5, I think it's time to upgrade lol...

2009-09-11 by Charles Franklin

Thanks to all that responded I will update as things start moving forward. 

The main reason I never switched so long ago are the reasons you are talking about. 

I can not understand the markup people pay for a Mac. I have been building PC's since I was 16. That was 13 years ago, and it boggles my mind.what am I paying this extra money for? Currenlty, the only reason I would even consider this is that I think I have reached the end of pushing my version of logic as far as it can go.  The limitations are too great, and the new options seem well worth it. I really feel that I should bronze my dongle or something at this stage lol... 

I have been monitoring Ebay as I will most likely buy a used  Mac Pro. 

Now is there some reason that I can not install hardware in the box(Ram, Harddrives, Video Cards)?

If that is the case is the only way to upgrade those options is through the Apple Store?

 Cheers





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From: "GAmoore@..." <GAmoore@...>
To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:53:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: Ok so I Use Logic 5.5, I think it's time to upgrade lol...

  
Regarding new mac-pro versus used ....

I just checked and mac-pro's START at $2499 + $250 tax in California = 
$2750 MINIMUM.... with minimal ram which will need to be upgraded. On 
the other hand, Mac Pro's are sitting on ebay now with $800-1000 
starting bids... and maybe more ram and an extra hard disk.

Apple's introductory tower used to be $1500-$1800. In the midst of an 
economic downturn, they have evidently raised their prices. But this is 
happening all over the place - quietly raising prices on things. For 
example, I bought a bunch of screws in Home Depot in little plastic 
bags that used to be 88 cents, now $1.18. Dog food that was $8.99 a few 
years ago, then $10.99 is now $12.99.

I have bought 5-6 new macs in the past years, but I am just going to 
sit on my current older mac pro for quite a while. I don't think its 
worth it to keep a G4 or G5 as its a dead archetecture and no longer 
supported. So I would get a Mac Pro tower, Imac Pro, or Powerbook Pro 
as your budget allows - keeping mind that having more ram is really a 
necessity.


   


      

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Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: Ok so I Use Logic 5.5, I think it's time to upgrade lol...

2009-09-11 by GAmoore@aol.com

of course you can install ram, hard disks, and video boards yourself. 
its easy.

its not really fair to compare a do it yourself pc kit with an 
assembled mac. compare with a Sony Viao or whatever. In the old days 
you could built a Radio Shack amplifier for way less than a Fender or 
Marshall amp, but obviously not comparable.
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From: Charles Franklin <dachillone4u@...>
To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Sep 11, 2009 10:59 am
Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: Ok so I Use Logic 5.5, I think it's time 
to upgrade lol...

 










Thanks to all that responded I will update as things start moving 
forward.



The main reason I never switched so long ago are the reasons you are 
talking about.



I can not understand the markup people pay for a Mac. I have been 
building PC's since I was 16. That was 13 years ago, and it boggles my 
mind.what am I paying this extra money for? Currenlty, the only reason 
I would even consider this is that I think I have reached the end of 
pushing my version of logic as far as it can go.  The limitations are 
too great, and the new options seem well worth it. I really feel that I 
should bronze my dongle or something at this stage lol...



I have been monitoring Ebay as I will most likely buy a used  Mac Pro.



Now is there some reason that 
I can not install hardware in the 
box(Ram, Harddrives, Video Cards)?



If that is the case is the only way to upgrade those options is through 
the Apple Store?



Cheers



________________________________

From: "GAmoore@..." <GAmoore@...>

To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:53:28 PM

Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: Ok so I Use Logic 5.5, I think it's time 
to upgrade lol...



Regarding new mac-pro versus used ....



I just checked and mac-pro's START at $2499 + $250 tax in California =

$2750 MINIMUM.... with minimal ram which will need to be upgraded. On

the other hand, Mac Pro's are sitting on ebay now with $800-1000

starting bids... and maybe more ram and an extra hard disk.



Apple's introductory tower used to be $1500-$1800. In the midst of an

economic downturn, they have evidently raised their prices. But this is

happening all over the place - quietly raising prices on things. For

example, I bought a bunch of screws in Home Depot in little plastic

bags that used to be 88 cents, now $1.18. Dog food that was $8.99 a few

years ago, then $10.99 is now $12.99.



I have bought 5-6 new macs in the past years, but I am just going to

sit on my current older mac pro for quite a while. I don't think its

worth it to keep a G4 or G5 as its a dead archetectur
e and no longer

supported. So I would get a Mac Pro tower, Imac Pro, or Powerbook Pro

as your budget allows - keeping mind that having more ram is really a

necessity.



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Pumping in sidechain

2009-09-12 by Andy Brook

I've made loads of progress recently, with thanks to all the experts  
here for sharing their knowledge, so I thought I'd pass on something  
which might be of use!

I'm writing a dance song for a music competition, and I wanted a  
pumping sound in the pad. I found this tutorial on youtube, which just  
happens to be by the Freemasons demonstrating how they put together  
'Uninvited' (which also happens to be my favourite song of the  
decade). I found it incredibly useful

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxeBrJP52vY

I had my song set up, and I was using an older version of it as a  
guide, which I loaded up as an audio file. It was at 144bpm and I  
wanted the song to be slower - 138bpm. I put the parts of the song in  
whilst working at 144 and when I had it all in place I deleted the  
audio files.

I copied a drum kick to an audio file to use as the sidechain input  
for the pumping pad, and spent ages making sure that the pumping sound  
was totally in time with the beat. Actually, I couldn't tell the  
difference between the release that I chose and the automatic one.

Happy with what I'd done, I listened to the whole track and found that  
the pumping was totally out of synch, which I couldn't understand.

In the end I worked out what was wrong - I had made the audio file for  
the kick at 144bpm and was playing it at 138bpm. I made another audio  
file at the right speed. Problem solved!

Does anyone have any other tips on this subject? The Freemasons seem  
to put the sidechain in loads of different tracks, but for me this  
makes the song sound wierd. Should I use it for bass? Vocals?

Andy B

Re: [Logic_Cafe] Pumping in sidechain

2009-09-13 by Stephen Currington

Check out MacProAudio's Logic V9's flexitime tutorial..
SteveH shows how to get audio tracks all in sync using Flexitime and  
the "beat mapping" features.
NB you will need Logic v9 of v course to do this.

Steve

NB Disclaimer - FYI I have no relationship with MacProVideo I just  
enjoy their tutorials and find them very helpful.

On 13/09/2009, at 5:55 AM, Andy Brook wrote:

>
> I've made loads of progress recently, with thanks to all the experts
> here for sharing their knowledge, so I thought I'd pass on something
> which might be of use!
>
> I'm writing a dance song for a music competition, and I wanted a
> pumping sound in the pad. I found this tutorial on youtube, which just
> happens to be by the Freemasons demonstrating how they put together
> 'Uninvited' (which also happens to be my favourite song of the
> decade). I found it incredibly useful
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxeBrJP52vY
>
> I had my song set up, and I was using an older version of it as a
> guide, which I loaded up as an audio file. It was at 144bpm and I
> wanted the song to be slower - 138bpm. I put the parts of the song in
> whilst working at 144 and when I had it all in place I deleted the
> audio files.
>
> I copied a drum kick to an audio file to use as the sidechain input
> for the pumping pad, and spent ages making sure that the pumping sound
> was totally in time with the beat. Actually, I couldn't tell the
> difference between the release that I chose and the automatic one.
>
> Happy with what I'd done, I listened to the whole track and found that
> the pumping was totally out of synch, which I couldn't understand.
>
> In the end I worked out what was wrong - I had made the audio file for
> the kick at 144bpm and was playing it at 138bpm. I made another audio
> file at the right speed. Problem solved!
>
> Does anyone have any other tips on this subject? The Freemasons seem
> to put the sidechain in loads of different tracks, but for me this
> makes the song sound wierd. Should I use it for bass? Vocals?
>
> Andy B
> 



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Re: [Logic_Cafe] Pumping in sidechain

2009-09-13 by Andy Brook

On 13 Sep 2009, at 01:41, Stephen Currington wrote:

>
> Check out MacProAudio's Logic V9's flexitime tutorial..
> SteveH shows how to get audio tracks all in sync using Flexitime and
> the "beat mapping" features.
>
I have spent a fortune on subscribing to magazines and online  
resources and its money well spent now that I seem to be on the way up  
the learning curve and I can't tell you how many times I have said  
"oh, is *that* how you do it?" but having gone through the basics on  
MacProAudio I moved sideways to SoundOnSound (which is also excellent)  
and must have missed this one

>
> NB you will need Logic v9 of v course to do this.
>
> Steve
>

Which is, of course, only a question of when. I started off with Logic  
Express 7, which I found really difficult, switched to Pro because it  
had more of the things I thought I wanted, and then about a month  
later Logic Pro 8 came out so I immediately upgraded, and that is  
where I have done all my learning. I thought that I'd wait a while  
until I know more about using what I already have, before rushing out  
to get the latest version when I might then get distracted. However,  
not having seen it, that's only a guess.

How do people rate the new release?

Andy B

Re: [Logic_Cafe] Pumping in sidechain

2009-09-13 by Stephen Currington

On 13/09/2009, at 1:13 PM, Andy Brook wrote:

>
> On 13 Sep 2009, at 01:41, Stephen Currington wrote:
>
> >
> > Check out MacProAudio's Logic V9's flexitime tutorial..
> > SteveH shows how to get audio tracks all in sync using Flexitime and
> > the "beat mapping" features.
> >
> I have spent a fortune on subscribing to magazines and online
> resources and its money well spent now that I seem to be on the way up
> the learning curve and I can't tell you how many times I have said
> "oh, is *that* how you do it?" but having gone through the basics on
> MacProAudio I moved sideways to SoundOnSound (which is also excellent)
> and must have missed this one

Yeah.. worth checking out if you have V9.. also they have updated a  
few of the there tuts to include some of the v9 features and  
improvements

>
> >
> > NB you will need Logic v9 of v course to do this.
> >
> > Steve
> >
>
> Which is, of course, only a question of when. I started off with Logic
> Express 7, which I found really difficult, switched to Pro because it
> had more of the things I thought I wanted, and then about a month
> later Logic Pro 8 came out so I immediately upgraded, and that is
> where I have done all my learning. I thought that I'd wait a while
> until I know more about using what I already have, before rushing out
> to get the latest version when I might then get distracted. However,
> not having seen it, that's only a guess.
>
> How do people rate the new release?
>


OK..   this is not a full explanation but...

The overall Logic v9 is not a major jump from v8..   Probably more  
like an 8.5 IMHO  as it looks and feels almost identical.  Many  
changes are under the hood.  i.e. fixes, fine tuning, rearranging a  
few menus etc into  more logical (no pun intended) order etc.   All  
the existing plugins (ala EXS24, Sculpture etc) remain pretty well the  
same wih only very minor cosmetic changes.

They say they have brought it more inline with the 64bit world,  
multiprocessor world  and operations but generally all seems to work  
much the same as before.  But they suggest they have cleaned up the  
code etc so I guess we have to trust them on that score as we don't  
get to see that.

On the  addition side.

Flexi it a great new tool to Logic (although  some other DAWs have had  
similar tools for a while).   Logics version is very good. fabulous  
ability to adjust and tune etc audio files and make changes to them  
non destructively.. Stretch them shrink them fix internal timing issue  
(ala uneven beats etc and make them even, sync multiple audio tracks  
to each other so that they al follow the same beat (great for getting  
bands etc in sync that don't quite play in sync - yet allow some  
humanization  to be applied so it doesn't end up sounding mechanical)
Umm. creating midi style instruments from audio files.. ala great for  
getting say a drum audio and making it into a EXS24 file etc.

There is also new features like a pedal box tool that allows you to  
add digital virtual pedals to tracks (or groups of tracks etc) and use  
the pedals to control effects (alal wahwah, chorus, grunge, etc etc)

Also a new Guitar Amp option that allows you to apply different styles  
of Amp devices to tracks and also Speaker cabinets (all virtual of  
course) . Also teh ability to decide on (virtual) mic placement and  
style on these cabinets

They have added an additional Jam Pack for Vocals etc. Always worth  
having.

They have also updated and improved the additional products like  
Mainstage etc. so if you use them again another plus.

Few other minor (but useful) things like adding notes (text)  to  
tracks, AUX etc strips.

If you wanna a quick first look check out the free Logic V9 first  
looks  tutorial on MacProVideo..  It is a free online tut that very  
quickly and briefly shows you some of te features (but not in great  
depth)

My opinion is that the Flexi tool is worth the upgrade - something  
Logic should probably have had for a while but with the faster  
processors etc now is probably more practical..   The guitar amp and  
pedals etc have been available via other sources for a while such as  
Native Instruments Guitar Rig  (which some think may do a better  
Job..  Dunno so I don't use it and can't comment).

I bought it
1/ To make sure I didn't get to far behind
2/ For the expected internal "under the hood improvements"  that may  
not be seen but hopefully will be appreciated over time
3/ For the Flexi  tool which I think is the biggy plus for v9.

Could I have lived without the upgrade .. probably .. Would I go back  
to v8 now..  No way.

Anyway.. Others will have comments I am sure.

Steve

Re: [Logic_Cafe] Pumping in sidechain

2009-09-13 by GAmoore@aol.com

How much do they charge for those videos?
Show quoted textHide quoted text
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Currington <steve@...>
To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Sep 12, 2009 7:51 pm
Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Pumping in sidechain

 








On 13/09/2009, at 1:13 PM, Andy Brook wrote:



>

&gt; On 13 Sep 2009, at 01:41, Stephen Currington wrote:

>

> >

&gt; > Check out MacProAudio's Logic V9's flexitime tutorial..

> > SteveH shows how to get audio tracks all in sync using 
Flexitime and

> > the "beat mapping" features.

> >

> I have spent a fortune on subscribing to magazines and online

> resources and its money well spent now that I seem to be on the 
way up

> the learning curve and I can't tell you how many times I have said

> "oh, is *that* how you do it?" but having gone through the basics 
on

> MacProAudio I moved sideways to SoundOnSound (which is also 
excellent)

> and must have missed this one



Yeah.. worth checking out if you have V9.. also they have updated a

few of the there tuts to include some of the v9 features and

improvements



>

> >

> > NB you will need Logic v9 of v course to do this.

> >

> > Steve

> >

>

> Which is, of course, only a
 question of when. I started off with 
Logic

> Express 7, which I found really difficult, switched to Pro because 
it

> had more of the things I thought I wanted, and then about a month

> later Logic Pro 8 came out so I immediately upgraded, and that is

> where I have done all my learning. I thought that I'd wait a while

> until I know more about using what I already have, before rushing 
out

> to get the latest version when I might then get distracted. 
However,

> not having seen it, that's only a guess.

>

> How do people rate the new release?

&gt;



OK..   this is not a full explanation but...



The overall Logic v9 is not a major jump from v8..   Probably more

like an 8.5 IMHO  as it looks and feels almost identical.  Many

changes are under the hood.  i.e. fixes, fine tuning, rearranging a

few menus etc into  more logical (no pun intended) order etc.   All

the existing plugins (ala EXS24, Sculpture etc) remain pretty well the

same wih only very minor cosmetic changes.



They say they have brought it more inline with the 64bit world,

multiprocessor world  and operations but generally all seems to work

much the same as before.  But they suggest they have cleaned up the

code etc so I guess we have to trust them on that score as we don't

get to see 
that.



On the  addition side.



Flexi it a great new tool to Logic (although  some other DAWs have had

similar tools for a while).   Logics version is very good. fabulous

ability to adjust and tune etc audio files and make changes to them

non destructively.. Stretch them shrink them fix internal timing issue

(ala uneven beats etc and make them even, sync multiple audio tracks

to each other so that they al follow the same beat (great for getting

bands etc in sync that don't quite play in sync - yet allow some

humanization  to be applied so it doesn't end up sounding mechanical)

Umm. creating midi style instruments from audio files.. ala great for

getting say a drum audio and making it into a EXS24 file etc.



There is also new features like a pedal box tool that allows you to

add digital virtual pedals to tracks (or groups of tracks etc) and use

the pedals to control effects (alal wahwah, chorus, grunge, etc etc)



Also a new Guitar Amp option that allows you to apply different styles

of Amp devices to tracks and also Speaker cabinets (all virtual of

course) . Also teh ability to decide on (virtual) mic placement and

style on these cabinets



They have added an additional Jam Pack for Vocals etc. Always worth

having.



They have also updated and improved the additional products like

Mainstage etc
. so if you use them again another plus.



Few other minor (but useful) things like adding notes (text)  to

tracks, AUX etc strips.



If you wanna a quick first look check out the free Logic V9 first

looks  tutorial on MacProVideo..  It is a free online tut that very

quickly and briefly shows you some of te features (but not in great

depth)



My opinion is that the Flexi tool is worth the upgrade - something

Logic should probably have had for a while but with the faster

processors etc now is probably more practical..   The guitar amp and

pedals etc have been available via other sources for a while such as

Native Instruments Guitar Rig  (which some think may do a better

Job..  Dunno so I don't use it and can't comment).



I bought it

1/ To make sure I didn't get to far behind

2/ For the expected internal "under the hood improvements"  that may

not be seen but hopefully will be appreciated over time

3/ For the Flexi  tool which I think is the biggy plus for v9.



Could I have lived without the upgrade .. probably .. Would I go back

to v8 now..  No way.



Anyway.. Others will have comments I am sure.



Steve

Re: [Logic_Cafe] Pumping in sidechain

2009-09-13 by Andy Brook

I really can't remember, but it's something like $30 a month, and you  
subscribe for as long as you like. That's not bad, if you keep on  
using them or de-subscribe when you have had enough. When I think of  
the cost of bits of kit I bought and found were not the right thing,  
it pales into insignificance. But they are for novices, so if you have  
much of an idea what you are doing it might be a waste of money.

Andy B
Show quoted textHide quoted text
On 13 Sep 2009, at 03:57, GAmoore@... wrote:

> How much do they charge for those videos?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Currington <steve@....nz>
> To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, Sep 12, 2009 7:51 pm
> Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Pumping in sidechain
>
>
>
> On 13/09/2009, at 1:13 PM, Andy Brook wrote:
>
> >
>
> > On 13 Sep 2009, at 01:41, Stephen Currington wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> > > Check out MacProAudio's Logic V9's flexitime tutorial..
>
> > > SteveH shows how to get audio tracks all in sync using
> Flexitime and
>
> > > the "beat mapping" features.
>
> > >
>
> > I have spent a fortune on subscribing to magazines and online
>
> > resources and its money well spent now that I seem to be on the
> way up
>
> > the learning curve and I can't tell you how many times I have  
> said
>
> > "oh, is *that* how you do it?" but having gone through the basics
> on
>
> > MacProAudio I moved sideways to SoundOnSound (which is also
> excellent)
>
> > and must have missed this one
>
> Yeah.. worth checking out if you have V9.. also they have updated a
>
> few of the there tuts to include some of the v9 features and
>
> improvements
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> > > NB you will need Logic v9 of v course to do this.
>
> > >
>
> > > Steve
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > Which is, of course, only a
> question of when. I started off with
> Logic
>
> > Express 7, which I found really difficult, switched to Pro  
> because
> it
>
> > had more of the things I thought I wanted, and then about a month
>
> > later Logic Pro 8 came out so I immediately upgraded, and that is
>
> > where I have done all my learning. I thought that I'd wait a  
> while
>
> > until I know more about using what I already have, before rushing
> out
>
> > to get the latest version when I might then get distracted.
> However,
>
> > not having seen it, that's only a guess.
>
> >
>
> > How do people rate the new release?
>
> >
>
> OK.. this is not a full explanation but...
>
> The overall Logic v9 is not a major jump from v8.. Probably more
>
> like an 8.5 IMHO as it looks and feels almost identical. Many
>
> changes are under the hood. i.e. fixes, fine tuning, rearranging a
>
> few menus etc into more logical (no pun intended) order etc. All
>
> the existing plugins (ala EXS24, Sculpture etc) remain pretty well the
>
> same wih only very minor cosmetic changes.
>
> They say they have brought it more inline with the 64bit world,
>
> multiprocessor world and operations but generally all seems to work
>
> much the same as before. But they suggest they have cleaned up the
>
> code etc so I guess we have to trust them on that score as we don't
>
> get to see
> that.
>
> On the addition side.
>
> Flexi it a great new tool to Logic (although some other DAWs have had
>
> similar tools for a while). Logics version is very good. fabulous
>
> ability to adjust and tune etc audio files and make changes to them
>
> non destructively.. Stretch them shrink them fix internal timing issue
>
> (ala uneven beats etc and make them even, sync multiple audio tracks
>
> to each other so that they al follow the same beat (great for getting
>
> bands etc in sync that don't quite play in sync - yet allow some
>
> humanization to be applied so it doesn't end up sounding mechanical)
>
> Umm. creating midi style instruments from audio files.. ala great for
>
> getting say a drum audio and making it into a EXS24 file etc.
>
> There is also new features like a pedal box tool that allows you to
>
> add digital virtual pedals to tracks (or groups of tracks etc) and use
>
> the pedals to control effects (alal wahwah, chorus, grunge, etc etc)
>
> Also a new Guitar Amp option that allows you to apply different styles
>
> of Amp devices to tracks and also Speaker cabinets (all virtual of
>
> course) . Also teh ability to decide on (virtual) mic placement and
>
> style on these cabinets
>
> They have added an additional Jam Pack for Vocals etc. Always worth
>
> having.
>
> They have also updated and improved the additional products like
>
> Mainstage etc
> . so if you use them again another plus.
>
> Few other minor (but useful) things like adding notes (text) to
>
> tracks, AUX etc strips.
>
> If you wanna a quick first look check out the free Logic V9 first
>
> looks tutorial on MacProVideo.. It is a free online tut that very
>
> quickly and briefly shows you some of te features (but not in great
>
> depth)
>
> My opinion is that the Flexi tool is worth the upgrade - something
>
> Logic should probably have had for a while but with the faster
>
> processors etc now is probably more practical.. The guitar amp and
>
> pedals etc have been available via other sources for a while such as
>
> Native Instruments Guitar Rig (which some think may do a better
>
> Job.. Dunno so I don't use it and can't comment).
>
> I bought it
>
> 1/ To make sure I didn't get to far behind
>
> 2/ For the expected internal "under the hood improvements" that may
>
> not be seen but hopefully will be appreciated over time
>
> 3/ For the Flexi tool which I think is the biggy plus for v9.
>
> Could I have lived without the upgrade .. probably .. Would I go back
>
> to v8 now.. No way.
>
> Anyway.. Others will have comments I am sure.
>
> Steve
>
>
>

Re: [Logic_Cafe] Pumping in sidechain

2009-09-13 by Stephen Currington

Varies.. depending on 1/ which video  and 2 how many you buy in one  
order.
Probably about $30.   (less any coupon discounts)
They are downloadable to your MAC, you play then via their NED  
program.. But you can also burn them (along with NED to a DVD for  
transportability and backup.. The Burn option is  a NED button.

They also offer discounts.  Right now there is a back to school  
discount so  if you apply the 09bts33 coupon code to your purchase you  
get a 33% discount  ;-)
I think this is only for September...


S.

On 13/09/2009, at 2:57 PM, GAmoore@... wrote:

> How much do they charge for those videos?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Currington <steve@...>
> To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, Sep 12, 2009 7:51 pm
> Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Pumping in sidechain
>
>
>
> On 13/09/2009, at 1:13 PM, Andy Brook wrote:
>
> >
>
> > On 13 Sep 2009, at 01:41, Stephen Currington wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> > > Check out MacProAudio's Logic V9's flexitime tutorial..
>
> > > SteveH shows how to get audio tracks all in sync using
> Flexitime and
>
> > > the "beat mapping" features.
>
> > >
>
> > I have spent a fortune on subscribing to magazines and online
>
> > resources and its money well spent now that I seem to be on the
> way up
>
> > the learning curve and I can't tell you how many times I have  
> said
>
> > "oh, is *that* how you do it?" but having gone through the basics
> on
>
> > MacProAudio I moved sideways to SoundOnSound (which is also
> excellent)
>
> > and must have missed this one
>
> Yeah.. worth checking out if you have V9.. also they have updated a
>
> few of the there tuts to include some of the v9 features and
>
> improvements
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> > > NB you will need Logic v9 of v course to do this.
>
> > >
>
> > > Steve
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > Which is, of course, only a
> question of when. I started off with
> Logic
>
> > Express 7, which I found really difficult, switched to Pro  
> because
> it
>
> > had more of the things I thought I wanted, and then about a month
>
> > later Logic Pro 8 came out so I immediately upgraded, and that is
>
> > where I have done all my learning. I thought that I'd wait a  
> while
>
> > until I know more about using what I already have, before rushing
> out
>
> > to get the latest version when I might then get distracted.
> However,
>
> > not having seen it, that's only a guess.
>
> >
>
> > How do people rate the new release?
>
> >
>
> OK.. this is not a full explanation but...
>
> The overall Logic v9 is not a major jump from v8.. Probably more
>
> like an 8.5 IMHO as it looks and feels almost identical. Many
>
> changes are under the hood. i.e. fixes, fine tuning, rearranging a
>
> few menus etc into more logical (no pun intended) order etc. All
>
> the existing plugins (ala EXS24, Sculpture etc) remain pretty well the
>
> same wih only very minor cosmetic changes.
>
> They say they have brought it more inline with the 64bit world,
>
> multiprocessor world and operations but generally all seems to work
>
> much the same as before. But they suggest they have cleaned up the
>
> code etc so I guess we have to trust them on that score as we don't
>
> get to see
> that.
>
> On the addition side.
>
> Flexi it a great new tool to Logic (although some other DAWs have had
>
> similar tools for a while). Logics version is very good. fabulous
>
> ability to adjust and tune etc audio files and make changes to them
>
> non destructively.. Stretch them shrink them fix internal timing issue
>
> (ala uneven beats etc and make them even, sync multiple audio tracks
>
> to each other so that they al follow the same beat (great for getting
>
> bands etc in sync that don't quite play in sync - yet allow some
>
> humanization to be applied so it doesn't end up sounding mechanical)
>
> Umm. creating midi style instruments from audio files.. ala great for
>
> getting say a drum audio and making it into a EXS24 file etc.
>
> There is also new features like a pedal box tool that allows you to
>
> add digital virtual pedals to tracks (or groups of tracks etc) and use
>
> the pedals to control effects (alal wahwah, chorus, grunge, etc etc)
>
> Also a new Guitar Amp option that allows you to apply different styles
>
> of Amp devices to tracks and also Speaker cabinets (all virtual of
>
> course) . Also teh ability to decide on (virtual) mic placement and
>
> style on these cabinets
>
> They have added an additional Jam Pack for Vocals etc. Always worth
>
> having.
>
> They have also updated and improved the additional products like
>
> Mainstage etc
> . so if you use them again another plus.
>
> Few other minor (but useful) things like adding notes (text) to
>
> tracks, AUX etc strips.
>
> If you wanna a quick first look check out the free Logic V9 first
>
> looks tutorial on MacProVideo.. It is a free online tut that very
>
> quickly and briefly shows you some of te features (but not in great
>
> depth)
>
> My opinion is that the Flexi tool is worth the upgrade - something
>
> Logic should probably have had for a while but with the faster
>
> processors etc now is probably more practical.. The guitar amp and
>
> pedals etc have been available via other sources for a while such as
>
> Native Instruments Guitar Rig (which some think may do a better
>
> Job.. Dunno so I don't use it and can't comment).
>
> I bought it
>
> 1/ To make sure I didn't get to far behind
>
> 2/ For the expected internal "under the hood improvements" that may
>
> not be seen but hopefully will be appreciated over time
>
> 3/ For the Flexi tool which I think is the biggy plus for v9.
>
> Could I have lived without the upgrade .. probably .. Would I go back
>
> to v8 now.. No way.
>
> Anyway.. Others will have comments I am sure.
>
> Steve
>
> 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [Logic_Cafe] Pumping in sidechain

2009-09-13 by Stephen Currington

On 13/09/2009, at 3:04 PM, Andy Brook wrote:

> I really can't remember, but it's something like $30 a month, and you
> subscribe for as long as you like. That's not bad, if you keep on
> using them or de-subscribe when you have had enough. When I think of
> the cost of bits of kit I bought and found were not the right thing,
> it pales into insignificance. But they are for novices, so if you have
> much of an idea what you are doing it might be a waste of money.
>
> Andy B

there are two ways of doing them..
either  an online option where you pay to be able to view them online  
for 12 months
or
a download purchase where you get them stored on your local drive -  
which I prefer
The local drive one can be  burnt to a DVD for transportability and  
backup.

Each tutorial is about $30   well between I think $24 and $43 or  
something dependig on the size/number of lessons..

Agreed, the standard ones are designed mostly for the novice although  
some still have things in them that you just didn't know you didn't  
know.
But they also have things special tutorials like Steve H's Annual  
subscription to  his TNT (Tips and Tricks) and they are fabulous even  
for those that know.
These are issued every month and you get one or two tuts a month.  I  
have both TNT and TNT2  and find them full of great info.
Also act as a great knowledge base for stuff that I forget etc.

S.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> On 13 Sep 2009, at 03:57, GAmoore@... wrote:
>
>> How much do they charge for those videos?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Stephen Currington <steve@...>
>> To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Sat, Sep 12, 2009 7:51 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Pumping in sidechain
>>
>>
>>
>> On 13/09/2009, at 1:13 PM, Andy Brook wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > On 13 Sep 2009, at 01:41, Stephen Currington wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > Check out MacProAudio's Logic V9's flexitime tutorial..
>>
>> > > SteveH shows how to get audio tracks all in sync using
>> Flexitime and
>>
>> > > the "beat mapping" features.
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > I have spent a fortune on subscribing to magazines and online
>>
>> > resources and its money well spent now that I seem to be on the
>> way up
>>
>> > the learning curve and I can't tell you how many times I have
>> said
>>
>> > "oh, is *that* how you do it?" but having gone through the  
>> basics
>> on
>>
>> > MacProAudio I moved sideways to SoundOnSound (which is also
>> excellent)
>>
>> > and must have missed this one
>>
>> Yeah.. worth checking out if you have V9.. also they have updated a
>>
>> few of the there tuts to include some of the v9 features and
>>
>> improvements
>>
>> >
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > NB you will need Logic v9 of v course to do this.
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > Steve
>>
>> > >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Which is, of course, only a
>> question of when. I started off with
>> Logic
>>
>> > Express 7, which I found really difficult, switched to Pro
>> because
>> it
>>
>> > had more of the things I thought I wanted, and then about a  
>> month
>>
>> > later Logic Pro 8 came out so I immediately upgraded, and that  
>> is
>>
>> > where I have done all my learning. I thought that I'd wait a
>> while
>>
>> > until I know more about using what I already have, before  
>> rushing
>> out
>>
>> > to get the latest version when I might then get distracted.
>> However,
>>
>> > not having seen it, that's only a guess.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > How do people rate the new release?
>>
>> >
>>
>> OK.. this is not a full explanation but...
>>
>> The overall Logic v9 is not a major jump from v8.. Probably more
>>
>> like an 8.5 IMHO as it looks and feels almost identical. Many
>>
>> changes are under the hood. i.e. fixes, fine tuning, rearranging a
>>
>> few menus etc into more logical (no pun intended) order etc. All
>>
>> the existing plugins (ala EXS24, Sculpture etc) remain pretty well  
>> the
>>
>> same wih only very minor cosmetic changes.
>>
>> They say they have brought it more inline with the 64bit world,
>>
>> multiprocessor world and operations but generally all seems to work
>>
>> much the same as before. But they suggest they have cleaned up the
>>
>> code etc so I guess we have to trust them on that score as we don't
>>
>> get to see
>> that.
>>
>> On the addition side.
>>
>> Flexi it a great new tool to Logic (although some other DAWs have had
>>
>> similar tools for a while). Logics version is very good. fabulous
>>
>> ability to adjust and tune etc audio files and make changes to them
>>
>> non destructively.. Stretch them shrink them fix internal timing  
>> issue
>>
>> (ala uneven beats etc and make them even, sync multiple audio tracks
>>
>> to each other so that they al follow the same beat (great for getting
>>
>> bands etc in sync that don't quite play in sync - yet allow some
>>
>> humanization to be applied so it doesn't end up sounding mechanical)
>>
>> Umm. creating midi style instruments from audio files.. ala great for
>>
>> getting say a drum audio and making it into a EXS24 file etc.
>>
>> There is also new features like a pedal box tool that allows you to
>>
>> add digital virtual pedals to tracks (or groups of tracks etc) and  
>> use
>>
>> the pedals to control effects (alal wahwah, chorus, grunge, etc etc)
>>
>> Also a new Guitar Amp option that allows you to apply different  
>> styles
>>
>> of Amp devices to tracks and also Speaker cabinets (all virtual of
>>
>> course) . Also teh ability to decide on (virtual) mic placement and
>>
>> style on these cabinets
>>
>> They have added an additional Jam Pack for Vocals etc. Always worth
>>
>> having.
>>
>> They have also updated and improved the additional products like
>>
>> Mainstage etc
>> . so if you use them again another plus.
>>
>> Few other minor (but useful) things like adding notes (text) to
>>
>> tracks, AUX etc strips.
>>
>> If you wanna a quick first look check out the free Logic V9 first
>>
>> looks tutorial on MacProVideo.. It is a free online tut that very
>>
>> quickly and briefly shows you some of te features (but not in great
>>
>> depth)
>>
>> My opinion is that the Flexi tool is worth the upgrade - something
>>
>> Logic should probably have had for a while but with the faster
>>
>> processors etc now is probably more practical.. The guitar amp and
>>
>> pedals etc have been available via other sources for a while such as
>>
>> Native Instruments Guitar Rig (which some think may do a better
>>
>> Job.. Dunno so I don't use it and can't comment).
>>
>> I bought it
>>
>> 1/ To make sure I didn't get to far behind
>>
>> 2/ For the expected internal "under the hood improvements" that may
>>
>> not be seen but hopefully will be appreciated over time
>>
>> 3/ For the Flexi tool which I think is the biggy plus for v9.
>>
>> Could I have lived without the upgrade .. probably .. Would I go back
>>
>> to v8 now.. No way.
>>
>> Anyway.. Others will have comments I am sure.
>>
>> Steve
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Re: Pumping in sidechain

2009-09-13 by c_eisenhardt

Just throwing in my 2 cents; I too am a happy Mac Pro Video customer.
Most of their Logic 8 vids will apply to Logic 9 as the programs are ergonomically identical (save the new features like Flex and the Guitar plug-ins.)
An alternative is the Logic Ninja on YouTube which is free.
I prefer Macprovideo because they categorize every video and explore the subject thoroughly. 
I have spent some good money on their tutorials and it has been worth every penny.

In the Tips & Tricks series, there was a whole group of tutorials dedicated to sidechaining I recall...

Good Luck!

Charlie

tutorial videos

2009-09-16 by GAmoore@aol.com

Here are some more video tutorials for Logic 9 :

http://www.digitalmusicdoctor.com/logicpro/logicpro_tutorial.htm

I saw the preview but did not see the actual videos.

Please help me to win a music competition

2009-09-18 by Andy Brook

Guys,

you have been incredibly helpful getting me on the road with Logic. I  
am entering an amateur online song contest with a song called  
Disturbing Tendencies. I am recording the vocals with the singer this  
weekend and have done as much as I can with the backing track, with  
what I have learned over the past six months. I know this is  
incredibly cheeky, as everyone is immersed in their own music, but if  
anyone had a few spare minutes to listen to the backing track and give  
me some tips I would be so grateful. Without the vocals I know the  
song sounds like it has no chorus, but trust me on that one. What I  
really need to know is what will I look back on and say oh my god, how  
could you have done that? So if anyone has the time and patience to  
download and listen to the song, and to pull it to bits for me, I  
would be very grateful. I'm posting the lyric that I wrote for the  
song so that you can see the sort of standard that I am hoping to work  
towards. (The song is partly autobiographical, partly about Kate Moss,  
Pete Docherty and Tracy Emin (a British model, singer and artist,  
respectively) although it could just as easily have been written about  
Ami Whinehouse, except that it pre-dates her).



Thanks in advance for any tips...

Andy B


http://rapidshare.com/files/281553580/Disturbing_Tendencies_Instr_.m4a

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Disturbing Tendencies

You were a beautiful baby; heaven sent, heaven knows
You had a privileged childhood - boarding school, and it shows
Why is it, no-one else can see what I can see? You need help
you are displaying disturbing tendencies

Drinking too much, taking too many pills
Smoking too much, chasing too many thrills
When are you ever gonna wake up
And where will that be?

Too many end spent in too many fights
You're out for the count, when they turn on    the lights
And when are you ever gonna  grow up
And where will that be?
Will it be before your nemesis will show up?

With your celebrity lifestyle, gutter press stalking you
They build you up just to knock you down - that's what they always do
Now it's becoming clear for everyone to see, you need help
You are displaying disturbing tendencies

Drinking too much, taking too many pills
Smoking too much, chasing too many thrills
When are you ever gonna wake up
And where will that be?

Too many end spent in too many fights
You're out for the count, when they turn out the lights
And when are you ever gonna  grow up
And where will that be?


Too many end spent in too many fights
You're out for the count, when they turn out the lights
And when are you ever gonna  grow up
And where will that be?
Will it be before your nemesis will show up?
Will it be before....

Drinking too much, too many pills
Smoking too much, too many thrills

Drinking too much, too many pills
Smoking too much, too many thrills

You were a beautiful baby; heaven sent, heaven knows





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Re: tutorial videos

2009-09-22 by ruthsboy1

Hey guys...I noticed you guys were talking about tutorials and I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in: http://audio.tutsplus.com/ This a great place for articles and videos on logic pro and so much more. Use this in conjunction with Macpro Video and Youtube (selectively, some of the stuff posted on you tube is poor in quality) and you'll have a strong start on whatever your trying to do in logic


--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, GAmoore@... wrote:
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> Here are some more video tutorials for Logic 9 :
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> http://www.digitalmusicdoctor.com/logicpro/logicpro_tutorial.htm
> 
> I saw the preview but did not see the actual videos.
>

Re: tutorial videos

2009-09-22 by Peter B

That's a pretty neat website.

I especially thought the free .wav file samples were a neat resource.

Pete


--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsboy1" <ruthsboy1@...> wrote:
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> Hey guys...I noticed you guys were talking about tutorials and I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in: http://audio.tutsplus.com/ This a great place for articles and videos on logic pro and so much more. Use this in conjunction with Macpro Video and Youtube (selectively, some of the stuff posted on you tube is poor in quality) and you'll have a strong start on whatever your trying to do in logic
> 
> 
> --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, GAmoore@ wrote:
> >
> > Here are some more video tutorials for Logic 9 :
> > 
> > http://www.digitalmusicdoctor.com/logicpro/logicpro_tutorial.htm
> > 
> > I saw the preview but did not see the actual videos.
> >
>

Re: Ok so I Use Logic 5.5, I think it's time to upgrade lol...and now Done!

2010-01-11 by dachillone4u

Just wanted to say thanks to all the guys that helped me sort out this  upgrade situation. Was well worth the time and effort. I ended up with a used Mac Pro and seems to be running smoothly. 

Do you guys have any suggestions on Logic Pro 9 books/tutorials? 

Just need something besides the manual. 

Cheers



--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, GAmoore@... wrote:
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> of course you can install ram, hard disks, and video boards yourself. 
> its easy.
> 
> its not really fair to compare a do it yourself pc kit with an 
> assembled mac. compare with a Sony Viao or whatever. In the old days 
> you could built a Radio Shack amplifier for way less than a Fender or 
> Marshall amp, but obviously not comparable.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles Franklin <dachillone4u@...>
> To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, Sep 11, 2009 10:59 am
> Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: Ok so I Use Logic 5.5, I think it's time 
> to upgrade lol...
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> Â 
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> 
> Thanks to all that responded I will update as things start moving 
> forward.
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> 
> 
> The main reason I never switched so long ago are the reasons you are 
> talking about.
> 
> 
> 
> I can not understand the markup people pay for a Mac. I have been 
> building PC's since I was 16. That was 13 years ago, and it boggles my 
> mind.what am I paying this extra money for? Currenlty, the only reason 
> I would even consider this is that I think I have reached the end of 
> pushing my version of logic as far as it can go.  The limitations are 
> too great, and the new options seem well worth it. I really feel that I 
> should bronze my dongle or something at this stage lol...
> 
> 
> 
> I have been monitoring Ebay as I will most likely buy a used  Mac Pro.
> 
> 
> 
> Now is there some reason that 
> I can not install hardware in the 
> box(Ram, Harddrives, Video Cards)?
> 
> 
> 
> If that is the case is the only way to upgrade those options is through 
> the Apple Store?
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: "GAmoore@..." GAmoore@...
> 
> To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
> 
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:53:28 PM
> 
> Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: Ok so I Use Logic 5.5, I think it's time 
> to upgrade lol...
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> 
> 
> Regarding new mac-pro versus used ....
> 
> 
> 
> I just checked and mac-pro's START at $2499 + $250 tax in California =
> 
> $2750 MINIMUM.... with minimal ram which will need to be upgraded. On
> 
> the other hand, Mac Pro's are sitting on ebay now with $800-1000
> 
> starting bids... and maybe more ram and an extra hard disk.
> 
> 
> 
> Apple's introductory tower used to be $1500-$1800. In the midst of an
> 
> economic downturn, they have evidently raised their prices. But this is
> 
> happening all over the place - quietly raising prices on things. For
> 
> example, I bought a bunch of screws in Home Depot in little plastic
> 
> bags that used to be 88 cents, now $1.18. Dog food that was $8.99 a few
> 
> years ago, then $10.99 is now $12.99.
> 
> 
> 
> I have bought 5-6 new macs in the past years, but I am just going to
> 
> sit on my current older mac pro for quite a while. I don't think its
> 
> worth it to keep a G4 or G5 as its a dead archetectur
> e and no longer
> 
> supported. So I would get a Mac Pro tower, Imac Pro, or Powerbook Pro
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> as your budget allows - keeping mind that having more ram is really a
> 
> necessity.
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