Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

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> Hello! I love the loops in Logic Studio and would love to use them in a song (I sing jazz standards), but I'd need to change the keys, both into major and minor, to insert the loops so that they chance with the chord changes. I've tried to figure out how to do this in both Logic and Mainstage, and can't figure it out. When I adjust the key, it changes the key of the whole song. Any ideas? I'm importing Band in a Box files at this point but would love to use the much better sounding Logic Loops.
> Thanks.
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> Hello! I love the loops in Logic Studio and would love to use them in a song (I sing jazz standards), but I'd need to change the keys, both into major and minor, to insert the loops so that they chance with the chord changes. I've tried to figure out how to do this in both Logic and Mainstage, and can't figure it out. When I adjust the key, it changes the key of the whole song. Any ideas? I'm importing Band in a Box files at this point but would love to use the much better sounding Logic Loops.
> Thanks.
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> I've used Apple Loops Utility to take the same loop, resave it into other variations, each with its own key center.
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> Then, when you bring them back into Logic, you can keep the global key where it is, but the individual loops will play the various chords, and not just the original loop's chords.
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> You might even need to load some into Audacity and change the actual pitch before loading them into Loops Utility. Takes some planning and trial and error, but can work.
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> TIm Waters
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> --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, "bluemonk7772000" <bluemonk7772000@> wrote:
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> > Hello! I love the loops in Logic Studio and would love to use them in a song (I sing jazz standards), but I'd need to change the keys, both into major and minor, to insert the loops so that they chance with the chord changes. I've tried to figure out how to do this in both Logic and Mainstage, and can't figure it out. When I adjust the key, it changes the key of the whole song. Any ideas? I'm importing Band in a Box files at this point but would love to use the much better sounding Logic Loops.
> > Thanks.
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> To transpose actual audio where you also change major to minor  or vice versa - there is only tool which will do that - the new version of Melodyne with "DNA" (direct note access).
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> If you want to change midi keys, or make a chord progression - its far easier to put a loop in and then hit your key command to repeat - say 30 versions. Glue together using the right click glue tool. Then open in the matrix editor, and grab chunks and drag or arrow up or down. Then to make it more legimate musically, take some of the top notes of the higher pitched chords and transpose them down an octave - thus making inversions with the same chord but better voice leading.
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On Jan 7, 2010, at 4:39 PM, bluemonk7772000 wrote:

> Thanks for your responses, folks. I might have to stick with band  
> in a box. If anybody finds some way in Logic to enter chord  
> progressions into loops, let me know.
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> --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, gamoore <GAmoore@...> wrote:
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>> To transpose actual audio where you also change major to minor  or  
>> vice versa - there is only tool which will do that - the new  
>> version of Melodyne with "DNA" (direct note access).
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>> If you want to change midi keys, or make a chord progression - its  
>> far easier to put a loop in and then hit your key command to  
>> repeat - say 30 versions. Glue together using the right click glue  
>> tool. Then open in the matrix editor, and grab chunks and drag or  
>> arrow up or down. Then to make it more legimate musically, take  
>> some of the top notes of the higher pitched chords and transpose  
>> them down an octave - thus making inversions with the same chord  
>> but better voice leading.
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>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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> BIAB is an entirely different beast from Logic.  BIAB uses an  
> "intelligent" arranger to create midi parts on the fly that  
> correspond to the chord names you enter.  Most DAWs don't have that  
> feature.  There may be a plugin somewhere that does it, but I haven't  
> heard of anything.   Virtual Guitar was a neat plugin that had those  
> features, but it was discontinued, at least for Mac, and I haven't  
> seen any other plugins that do the same.  Supposedly Real Guitar can,  
> but I bought it and can't get it to work.
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> Logic's Apple Loops sound better because they are actual audio  
> recordings, not synthesized (except for the synthesizers).  The best  
> you can do to make your BIAB midi files sound better is import them  
> into Logic and assign high quality instruments to play the parts,  
> which it sounds like is what you are already doing.
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> I think using audio loops, even transposable ones like apple loops,  
> for regular song construction, like standards, is a PITA.   If you're  
> doing a song that has only major keys, then you find a loop you like,  
> and enter the chord symbols in the Chord Track and you have a song.   
> But if your song has any minor chords in it, then you have to find a  
> similar-sounding loop in a minor key to insert for those measures.     
> I've looked everywhere for loops that have both major and minor  
> versions of the same loop to no avail.  My collection of time  
> signatures other than 4/4 is pretty paltry as well.  Hopefully once  
> the Melodyne technology becomes commonplace, audio loops will be  
> capable of intelligent transposition, flatting the third for minors  
> and inverting chords.   But for now, I barely use loops, and just  
> play everything in when writing or arranging standard songs.
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> Gregory
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> On Jan 7, 2010, at 4:39 PM, bluemonk7772000 wrote:
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> > Thanks for your responses, folks. I might have to stick with band  
> > in a box. If anybody finds some way in Logic to enter chord  
> > progressions into loops, let me know.
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> > --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, gamoore <GAmoore@> wrote:
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> >> To transpose actual audio where you also change major to minor  or  
> >> vice versa - there is only tool which will do that - the new  
> >> version of Melodyne with "DNA" (direct note access).
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> >> If you want to change midi keys, or make a chord progression - its  
> >> far easier to put a loop in and then hit your key command to  
> >> repeat - say 30 versions. Glue together using the right click glue  
> >> tool. Then open in the matrix editor, and grab chunks and drag or  
> >> arrow up or down. Then to make it more legimate musically, take  
> >> some of the top notes of the higher pitched chords and transpose  
> >> them down an octave - thus making inversions with the same chord  
> >> but better voice leading.
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