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Hi all

Here is my proposed portable live set up when all modules are available
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cray5656/2450465451/sizes/o/

Ross

>

Looks cool...one comment:  With the three inherent in the M30, you've
got 9 gates/VCAs here and only one EG.  There are other modules here
of course that can generate the types of control voltages gates will
respond to, but I thought I'd mention this anyway for something you
may want to consider.

- P


--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, ross healy <amni56@...> wrote:

>
> Hi all
> 
> Here is my proposed portable live set up when all modules are available
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cray5656/2450465451/sizes/o/
> 
> Ross
> 
> >
>

The Vector Plotter is a straight forward joystick - this will become
more evident as the product page goes up which lists the
features/benefits. It does the straight DC at XY, has attenuators to
let you dial in what the max voltage for each axis' are, and has an
independent manual trigger like the VCS3. But with a flip of a switch
you can se these as either positive voltage only (0 to set max volt)
or bilpolar (-5 to set max + voltage).

the other functions may seem confusing, but they aren't really.  When
you move the X axis, the X Kinetic gate goes high, when you move the Y
axis, the Y Kinetic Gate goes high.  When you move either, the XY
Kinetic Gate goes High, when you do that and depress the Z trigger at
the same time, the X/Y/Z Kinetic Gate goes high. These Kinestic gates may not seem that useful at first glance, wait until the audio examples are posted you'll see what I was getting at.

Then instead of crossfading from low voltage to high voltage on each axis as a 'traditional' joystick does, you can insert external signals as the end points or you can use that to crossfade AC signals if a audio is plugged into those external inputs.

The risk of releasing 'dumbed down' versions of others already in the
product line is they potentially obsolete the more complex version. 
This was THE single biggest mistake M&K made (both Sam and I used to
work there, we saw the result). They had in some instances five
products which performed almost identically and designed for the same
usage.  Instead of having big sales for one, they had small sales for
five, plus all the stocking, ordering and manufacturing
complexities that comes with five products v. just one. 

- P





--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "Norman Fay"
<vietgrove@...> wrote:
>
> I note the ropey ergonomics of the Doepfer Joystick, sick a couple of
> patchcords in there, and you've got a pair of wires/plugs in the way
> of your hand when you're using it.  I note that the Analohue Systems
> joystick makes the exact same mistake.  Maybe, seeing as he's uniquely
> got this part of making a joystick panel right in his more complex
> unit, Mr G could be persuaded to also release a simple utility
> joystick - joystick and trigger button at the BOTTOM of the panel,
> X/Y/trigger outputs at the top.  R&D would be fairly straightforward,
> I think.
> 
> Probably, I'd put a couple of model 10s in place of the dual
> cyclotron, but it looks like a lot of fun in 2 rack height units
> either way.
> 
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 5:12 AM, ross healy <amni56@...> wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> >  Here is my proposed portable live set up when all modules are
available

> >  http://www.flickr.com/photos/cray5656/2450465451/sizes/o/
> >
> >  Ross
> >
> >  >
> >
> >  ------------------------------------
> >
> >  Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

I note the ropey ergonomics of the Doepfer Joystick, sick a couple of
patchcords in there, and you've got a pair of wires/plugs in the way
of your hand when you're using it.  I note that the Analohue Systems
joystick makes the exact same mistake.  Maybe, seeing as he's uniquely
got this part of making a joystick panel right in his more complex
unit, Mr G could be persuaded to also release a simple utility
joystick - joystick and trigger button at the BOTTOM of the panel,
X/Y/trigger outputs at the top.  R&D would be fairly straightforward,
I think.

Probably, I'd put a couple of model 10s in place of the dual
cyclotron, but it looks like a lot of fun in 2 rack height units
either way.

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 5:12 AM, ross healy <amni56@tpg.com.au> wrote:
> Hi all
>
>  Here is my proposed portable live set up when all modules are available
>  http://www.flickr.com/photos/cray5656/2450465451/sizes/o/
>
>  Ross
>
>  >
>
>  ------------------------------------
>
>  Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Heh, fair enough, mainly just a shout out about getting the
joystick/pot/socket thing on the panel RIGHT, which no-body else has
done IIRC.  I guess the main use for a simple/ute joystick module
would be for those who wanted to use 2, a la the orig. Wiard control
panel or that Buchla thing with the joysticks resting on lightbulbs
that there was some discussion of on AH a few years ago.
Personally speaking, one joystick works for me, use it as a perf
controller with the right hand, adjust knobs/switches/sliders with the
left.

Actually, the joystick isn't really my favourite controller (though
they are a lot of fun), pressure sensor does it for me.  If someone
made a little panel with 3 little pressure plates, positioned in such
a way that your index, middle and ring fingers fell easily onto them,
each with a CV out and a little attenuator, that would be such a great
thing to combine with a keyboard or a ribbon controller.

>
>  The risk of releasing 'dumbed down' versions of others already in the
>  product line is they potentially obsolete the more complex version.
>  This was THE single biggest mistake M&K made (both Sam and I used to
>  work there, we saw the result). They had in some instances five
>  products which performed almost identically and designed for the same
>  usage.  Instead of having big sales for one, they had small sales for
>  five, plus all the stocking, ordering and manufacturing
>  complexities that comes with five products v. just one.
>
>  - P
>

What kind of "mask" will the Plan B joystick have? Will it be circular 
(preventing simultaneous X/Y min/max values) or square?

you could always put the doepfer jostick upside down...I am not sure
if I will keep the doep joystick there or not,


I really love the Livewire Dual Cyclo so that will have to stay.
Peter what would you suggest adding in place of the Doep joy?

I am into improv electronics and this is what i want the 2 rack to be
used for.

here is a improv delayed set from myself and don hassler on the Buchla
200e, I am on the Serge and Plan B /euro modular.

http://www.twango.com/media/cray5656.audio/cray5656.10016

Ross

I don't know what you mean by mask.

Plesae explain.


The end of the stick terminates to a metal ball joint (see photo in
recent announcement - this is the actual joystick we're using.  We've
gt over 150 of them just like this).  There is no interference with
the faceplate even when the stick is lying down as far as it can in
any given direction.  A matter of fact, these lay down quite a bit
further than other sticks out there and nobody uses this type that I
know of but us. There is at least 10% more travel with the guys. 


--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "jalmari3"
<jari.jokinen@...> wrote:

>
> What kind of "mask" will the Plan B joystick have? Will it be circular 
> (preventing simultaneous X/Y min/max values) or square?
>

I don't know if "mask" is the best word: The joystick movement has 
its limits and the borderline could define a circle or a squre. This 
is what I called mask. 

Doepfer joystick has a circular mask, which makes it impossible to 
get maximum X and Y values at the same time. On the other hand, 
Analogue Systems joystick has a square mask.

Jari Jokinen

--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "(i think you can figure 
that out)" <peter@...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> I don't know what you mean by mask.
> 
> Plesae explain.
> 
> 
> The end of the stick terminates to a metal ball joint (see photo in
> recent announcement - this is the actual joystick we're using.  
We've
> gt over 150 of them just like this).  There is no interference with
> the faceplate even when the stick is lying down as far as it can in
> any given direction.  A matter of fact, these lay down quite a bit
> further than other sticks out there and nobody uses this type that I
> know of but us. There is at least 10% more travel with the guys. 
> 
> 
> --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "jalmari3"
> <jari.jokinen@> wrote:
> >
> > What kind of "mask" will the Plan B joystick have? Will it be 
circular 

> > (preventing simultaneous X/Y min/max values) or square?
> >
>

Our joystick has internal trimmers which allow actual zero volts be
set based on where the joysticks rests in the module, which may or may
not be it's full travel if it where not installed.  This withstanding,
the throw is about 10 degrees further on these joysticks than any I've
ever seen.
 
This joystick is mounted in a round bezel ('mask') and based on the placement if it's potentiometers,  max levels aren't in the corners, they're where indicated on the faceplate of the module (see A, B, C, D).

Hope this helps,

- P



Plese not



--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "jalmari3"
<jari.jokinen@...> wrote:

>
> I don't know if "mask" is the best word: The joystick movement has 
> its limits and the borderline could define a circle or a squre. This 
> is what I called mask. 
> 
> Doepfer joystick has a circular mask, which makes it impossible to 
> get maximum X and Y values at the same time. On the other hand, 
> Analogue Systems joystick has a square mask.
> 
> Jari Jokinen
> 
> --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "(i think you can figure 
> that out)" <peter@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > I don't know what you mean by mask.
> > 
> > Plesae explain.
> > 
> > 
> > The end of the stick terminates to a metal ball joint (see photo in
> > recent announcement - this is the actual joystick we're using.  
> We've
> > gt over 150 of them just like this).  There is no interference with
> > the faceplate even when the stick is lying down as far as it can in
> > any given direction.  A matter of fact, these lay down quite a bit
> > further than other sticks out there and nobody uses this type that I
> > know of but us. There is at least 10% more travel with the guys. 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "jalmari3"
> > <jari.jokinen@> wrote:
> > >
> > > What kind of "mask" will the Plan B joystick have? Will it be 
> circular 
> > > (preventing simultaneous X/Y min/max values) or square?
> > >
> >
>