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Re: [QuadtoneRIP] MIS MK Ink Failure

2008-04-28 by W.L. Walraven

Thank You Paul for your elaborate aswer.


Op 28 apr 2008, om 02:22 heeft Paul Roark het volgende geschreven:

>
>
> >... For all students getting true good BW
> > is a time consuming and painstaking proces.
>
> I suppose it depends on one's expectations, but I no longer think  
> getting
> good B&W with an inkjet ought to be difficult at all.
>
> > Required is a true natural real Black and White (BW), no sepia, cool
> > or warm.
>
> I'm wondering, again, what your definition is of "true B&W." I went  
> heavily
> into all sorts of tones with inkjet B&W -- I suppose because I found I
> could, and I didn't like the original B&W inkset tones. Now I'm into  
> my
> version of "purist inkjet B&W." It's called 100% carbon pigments -- no
> colors at all.
>
> See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R1800.htm
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-6.pdf
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf and
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/C88-C13-5.pdf
>
> >... I do not own a spectormeter ...
>
> They are very nice items to have, but scanners can do a fair job of  
> some
> things. See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Making_B-W_ICCs.htm
>
> > Ink and paper expenses are considarable ...
>
> They don't need to be. Getting the best for the least is clearly one  
> of my
> goals.
>
> > So I was not glad to hear that MIS ink gave you problems.
>
> I don't work for MIS or get any royalties on any of the inksets they  
> sell
> that I originally designed, but I have worked with them for some  
> time now,
> and I use a lot of their materials. Not all of the materials the third
> party sellers like MIS can buy are as good as what Epson is able to  
> obtain.
> However, the Eboni MK that is the basis of all the above inksets is
> outstanding and one of the least clogging inks from any company I've  
> ever
> used, including Epson inks.
>
> The main defects I've seen with MIS products lately relate to chips  
> that are
> defective (so I always recommend having some extra chips) and carts  
> that
> leak at the outlet because the poppet valves don't seal correctly.  
> The seal
> leaks don't affect printing at first, but they can be a mess when re- 
> filling
> the cartridges, and they do affect how easy it is to get good nozzle  
> checks
> after refilling them. So, I just throw away the leaking carts when I  
> find
> them and consider it a small price for the very large savings that  
> one can
> achieve learning to use third party products.
>
> And it's not just MIS that suffers from these defects. The third party
> suppliers simply do not have the quality controls that Epson can  
> afford.
> But, again, one can learn to deal with the issues rather easily.
>
> Note that while I enjoy and appreciate saving the money, I'd be  
> using my
> current MIS-Eboni-based inksets (with QTR -- either the rip or  
> Create ICC)
> even if the MIS inks cost as much as Epson's inks. My goal is also  
> to make
> the best, most stable prints I can. Of course, some of us are just  
> oriented
> to doing things ourselves, pushing the envelope as much as possible,  
> and
> taking the road less traveled whenever possible. It's part of what has
> always made B&W photography fun for me.
>
> Good luck with you B&W printing.
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>
>
> 

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