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basics for a beginner (dummy?)

2012-02-27 by Marja Beckers

Hi All,
I�m a newbie when it come to qtr, but having color cast problems printing my b%w photos from photoshop cs5, it seems that this might solve my problems.

I have spend the last few days trying to get my head around qtr, and I think I get the drift. I have gone through the userguide, and looked at the curve creation tool. 

The problem I�m still having is that I can�t seem to find how to get a good b&w print using qtr, photoshop cs5, and an epson r1800, printing on Ultra Premium Photo Paper Luster, and Epson Premium Semigloss Photo Paper.

I just can�t get my head around asigning curves (MatteBlack, sepia, and cool?), or how to create the right curve for my paper.

Can anybody give me some practical information on this?

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] basics for a beginner (dummy?)

2012-02-27 by Mike Finley

Hi Marja,
Are you using a Windows PC or Macintosh - it makes a big difference! 
(also which version of the operating system).
Also are you using the usual Epson inks in the printer?

having had a quick look at the QTR control file for the R1800, its 
really intended for matte papers - do you have any Epson Enhanced Matte 
(or similar) to test it on?

On 27/02/2012 11:51, Marja Beckers wrote:
> Hi All,
> I\ufffdm a newbie when it come to qtr, but having color cast problems
> printing my b%w photos from photoshop cs5, it seems that this might
> solve my problems.
>
> I have spend the last few days trying to get my head around qtr, and I
> think I get the drift. I have gone through the userguide, and looked at
> the curve creation tool.
>
> The problem I\ufffdm still having is that I can\ufffdt seem to find how to get a
> good b&w print using qtr, photoshop cs5, and an epson r1800, printing on
> Ultra Premium Photo Paper Luster, and Epson Premium Semigloss Photo Paper.
>
> I just can\ufffdt get my head around asigning curves (MatteBlack, sepia, and
> cool?), or how to create the right curve for my paper.
>
> Can anybody give me some practical information on this?
>
-- 
mike finley photography
http://www.mikefinley.co.uk
http://words.mikefinley.co.uk
http://www.roguegenegallery.com/Mike_Finley-gallery.html

Re: basics for a beginner (dummy?)

2012-02-27 by Marja Beckers

Hi Mike,
I replied to your message earlier today but I don´t see my answer appear. Guess I did something wrong :o)

I´m using windows 7 64bit, and the default epsons inks.
For my photography study I need to be able to print b&w on semigloss,gloss, and matte papers (not necessarily epson).

The strange thing is that I have printed b&w on this printer before, but now I only seem to get all kinds of color casts.
I´m hoping to use qtr to solve this problem at last.

hope you can help!

kind regards,
Marja


--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Mike Finley <mike@...> wrote:
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>
> Hi Marja,
> Are you using a Windows PC or Macintosh - it makes a big difference! 
> (also which version of the operating system).
> Also are you using the usual Epson inks in the printer?
> 
> having had a quick look at the QTR control file for the R1800, its 
> really intended for matte papers - do you have any Epson Enhanced Matte 
> (or similar) to test it on?
> 
> On 27/02/2012 11:51, Marja Beckers wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > I´m a newbie when it come to qtr, but having color cast problems
> > printing my b%w photos from photoshop cs5, it seems that this might
> > solve my problems.
> >
> > I have spend the last few days trying to get my head around qtr, and I
> > think I get the drift. I have gone through the userguide, and looked at
> > the curve creation tool.
> >
> > The problem I´m still having is that I can´t seem to find how to get a
> > good b&w print using qtr, photoshop cs5, and an epson r1800, printing on
> > Ultra Premium Photo Paper Luster, and Epson Premium Semigloss Photo Paper.
> >
> > I just can´t get my head around asigning curves (MatteBlack, sepia, and
> > cool?), or how to create the right curve for my paper.
> >
> > Can anybody give me some practical information on this?
> >
> -- 
> mike finley photography
> http://www.mikefinley.co.uk
> http://words.mikefinley.co.uk
> http://www.roguegenegallery.com/Mike_Finley-gallery.html
>

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: basics for a beginner (dummy?)

2012-02-27 by Mike Finley

The best reference for QTR on Windows that I'm aware of is Tom Moore's 
paper at http://www.quadtonerip.com/User%20Guide.pdf even if it is a few 
years old. The current version of QTR and Windows 7 64 bit still work 
the same way - thats what I use. (I asked because there are other 
problems with newer versions of MacOs and Photoshop.) If you are looking 
at instructions written for the Mac you'll get hopelessly confused as 
the printing mechanism is totally different.

The biggest problem may be getting the Gloss Optimiser in use for gloss 
papers - I've no idea how you'd do this, as I've never had a printer 
that uses a GO.

I suggest you read through Tom's paper, and try to follow through to 
printing on a matte paper from that, and ask if you have specific 
questions from that. Extending that to printing on a semi gloss or gloss 
paper will be harder, and need help from someone who's done it -  there 
are two issues you'll need to deal with - getting GO used, and also 
adjusting the amount of colour ink(s) to to be added in.

Most QTR users are using the printers with multiple black inks and/or 
using specialist monochrome inksets

On 27/02/2012 18:17, Marja Beckers wrote:
>
>
> Hi Mike,
> I replied to your message earlier today but I don\ufffdt see my answer
> appear. Guess I did something wrong :o)
>
> I\ufffdm using windows 7 64bit, and the default epsons inks.
> For my photography study I need to be able to print b&w on
> semigloss,gloss, and matte papers (not necessarily epson).
>
> The strange thing is that I have printed b&w on this printer before, but
> now I only seem to get all kinds of color casts.
> I\ufffdm hoping to use qtr to solve this problem at last.
>
> hope you can help!
>
> kind regards,
> Marja
>

-- 
mike finley photography
http://www.mikefinley.co.uk
http://words.mikefinley.co.uk

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: basics for a beginner (dummy?)

2012-02-27 by edward wiseman

My reading suggests that it is virtually impossible to get  a "NEUTRAL" B&W print from either an Epson 1800 or 1900..They were designed for COLOR printing..That doesn't mean you CAN'T use it for B&W, but there are better alternativs such as the 2880, 2400 or the new 3000..The Epson 1400 utilizing 3rd party B&W inks is a GREAT monocrhome printer IMHO..(I have 2 of these..)
Just my 2 cents..

Eddie
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mike Finley 
  To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 1:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: basics for a beginner (dummy?)


    
  The best reference for QTR on Windows that I'm aware of is Tom Moore's 
  paper at http://www.quadtonerip.com/User%20Guide.pdf even if it is a few 
  years old. The current version of QTR and Windows 7 64 bit still work 
  the same way - thats what I use. (I asked because there are other 
  problems with newer versions of MacOs and Photoshop.) If you are looking 
  at instructions written for the Mac you'll get hopelessly confused as 
  the printing mechanism is totally different.

  The biggest problem may be getting the Gloss Optimiser in use for gloss 
  papers - I've no idea how you'd do this, as I've never had a printer 
  that uses a GO.

  I suggest you read through Tom's paper, and try to follow through to 
  printing on a matte paper from that, and ask if you have specific 
  questions from that. Extending that to printing on a semi gloss or gloss 
  paper will be harder, and need help from someone who's done it - there 
  are two issues you'll need to deal with - getting GO used, and also 
  adjusting the amount of colour ink(s) to to be added in.

  Most QTR users are using the printers with multiple black inks and/or 
  using specialist monochrome inksets

  On 27/02/2012 18:17, Marja Beckers wrote:
  >
  >
  > Hi Mike,
  > I replied to your message earlier today but I don´t see my answer
  > appear. Guess I did something wrong :o)
  >
  > I´m using windows 7 64bit, and the default epsons inks.
  > For my photography study I need to be able to print b&w on
  > semigloss,gloss, and matte papers (not necessarily epson).
  >
  > The strange thing is that I have printed b&w on this printer before, but
  > now I only seem to get all kinds of color casts.
  > I´m hoping to use qtr to solve this problem at last.
  >
  > hope you can help!
  >
  > kind regards,
  > Marja
  >

  -- 
  mike finley photography
  http://www.mikefinley.co.uk
  http://words.mikefinley.co.uk


  

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Re: basics for a beginner (dummy?)

2012-02-27 by Marja Beckers

Hi Eddie, I recently found out the r1800 isn´t very good at b&w.
Unfortunately buying a new printer is not an option for me.
The r1800 is too expensive to just throw out as well.

I´ll try qtr first :o)

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "edward wiseman" <pahts@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> My reading suggests that it is virtually impossible to get  a "NEUTRAL" B&W print from either an Epson 1800 or 1900..They were designed for COLOR printing..That doesn't mean you CAN'T use it for B&W, but there are better alternativs such as the 2880, 2400 or the new 3000..The Epson 1400 utilizing 3rd party B&W inks is a GREAT monocrhome printer IMHO..(I have 2 of these..)
> Just my 2 cents..
> 
> Eddie
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Mike Finley 
>   To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 1:56 PM
>   Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: basics for a beginner (dummy?)
> 
> 
>     
>   The best reference for QTR on Windows that I'm aware of is Tom Moore's 
>   paper at http://www.quadtonerip.com/User%20Guide.pdf even if it is a few 
>   years old. The current version of QTR and Windows 7 64 bit still work 
>   the same way - thats what I use. (I asked because there are other 
>   problems with newer versions of MacOs and Photoshop.) If you are looking 
>   at instructions written for the Mac you'll get hopelessly confused as 
>   the printing mechanism is totally different.
> 
>   The biggest problem may be getting the Gloss Optimiser in use for gloss 
>   papers - I've no idea how you'd do this, as I've never had a printer 
>   that uses a GO.
> 
>   I suggest you read through Tom's paper, and try to follow through to 
>   printing on a matte paper from that, and ask if you have specific 
>   questions from that. Extending that to printing on a semi gloss or gloss 
>   paper will be harder, and need help from someone who's done it - there 
>   are two issues you'll need to deal with - getting GO used, and also 
>   adjusting the amount of colour ink(s) to to be added in.
> 
>   Most QTR users are using the printers with multiple black inks and/or 
>   using specialist monochrome inksets
> 
>   On 27/02/2012 18:17, Marja Beckers wrote:
>   >
>   >
>   > Hi Mike,
>   > I replied to your message earlier today but I don´t see my answer
>   > appear. Guess I did something wrong :o)
>   >
>   > I´m using windows 7 64bit, and the default epsons inks.
>   > For my photography study I need to be able to print b&w on
>   > semigloss,gloss, and matte papers (not necessarily epson).
>   >
>   > The strange thing is that I have printed b&w on this printer before, but
>   > now I only seem to get all kinds of color casts.
>   > I´m hoping to use qtr to solve this problem at last.
>   >
>   > hope you can help!
>   >
>   > kind regards,
>   > Marja
>   >
> 
>   -- 
>   mike finley photography
>   http://www.mikefinley.co.uk
>   http://words.mikefinley.co.uk
> 
> 
>   
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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