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Red River Aurora Art Natural salvage operation

Red River Aurora Art Natural salvage operation

2016-04-21 by rdeloe1@...

I need some advice on a strategy for making the best of Red River Aurora Art Natural. It’s one of the very few brands that comes in a 17” x 25” size, which is ideal for my needs. As many know, the price is also right, and it’s known to be a nice paper (but with weak dMax with some inks).

I bought a supply of 17” x 25” for a printing project, knowing that it would not have the best dMax. I’ve had no trouble making good profiles on other paper using Eboni Variable Tone ink and my Epson 3880. I've been able to make pure carbon, and 'neutral' (toned) curves for Red River Aurorar Art Natural. The dMax is as bad as I was expecting (worse actually). What I didn’t expect was the flatness of the mid-tones. To say prints lack contrast is an understatement.

I could see this being a nice paper and ink combination if I’m looking for a really low contrast, almost sentimental look…. but otherwise it’s not particularly usable. It's certainly a poor combination for the images I wanted to print.

Has anyone had any success making a decent QTR curve for this ink and paper combination using some version of Eboni inks? Failing that, does anyone have a strategy I could try to salvage this paper?


Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Red River Aurora Art Natural salvage operation

2016-04-21 by Paul Roark

I generally don't use that paper due to the low dmax.

Just to check out some alternatives, however, you might see how the ICC in my Profiles Zip file does. (Link on page 8 of http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/3880-Eboni-Variable-Tone.pdf ) Also try the Epson driver with ABW mode and the yellow adjusted to increase or decrease the amount of toner in the print.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
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On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 7:24 PM, rdeloe1@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I need some advice on a strategy for making the best of Red River Aurora Art Natural. It’s one of the very few brands that comes in a 17” x 25” size, which is ideal for my needs. As many know, the price is also right, and it’s known to be a nice paper (but with weak dMax with some inks).

I bought a supply of 17” x 25” for a printing project, knowing that it would not have the best dMax. I’ve had no trouble making good profiles on other paper using Eboni Variable Tone ink and my Epson 3880. I've been able to make pure carbon, and 'neutral' (toned) curves for Red River Aurorar Art Natural. The dMax is as bad as I was expecting (worse actually). What I didn’t expect was the flatness of the mid-tones. To say prints lack contrast is an understatement.

I could see this being a nice paper and ink combination if I’m looking for a really low contrast, almost sentimental look…. but otherwise it’s not particularly usable. It's certainly a poor combination for the images I wanted to print.

Has anyone had any success making a decent QTR curve for this ink and paper combination using some version of Eboni inks? Failing that, does anyone have a strategy I could try to salvage this paper?



Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Red River Aurora Art Natural salvage operation

2016-04-22 by rdeloe1@...

Thanks Paul. Sound advice. Using the ICC helps a bit, but I don't like the idea of having to make drastic adjustments to the image just for one paper.

In the end I found a simpler solution: I returned as much of it as I could and learned my lesson. I should have paid attention to the reports of low dMax! It's a shame because the weight and feel of the paper is very nice. I presume it's working well for someone, because they've sold it for a long time. It's just not a good choice for a carbon ink setup.

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Red River Aurora Art Natural salvage operation

2016-04-22 by Paul Roark

Red River Aurora Natural is a very good and high per/$ value paper for many types of images.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
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On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 10:40 AM, rdeloe1@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Thanks Paul. Sound advice. Using the ICC helps a bit, but I don't like the idea of having to make drastic adjustments to the image just for one paper.

In the end I found a simpler solution: I returned as much of it as I could and learned my lesson. I should have paid attention to the reports of low dMax! It's a shame because the weight and feel of the paper is very nice. I presume it's working well for someone, because they've sold it for a long time. It's just not a good choice for a carbon ink setup.


Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Red River Aurora Art Natural salvage operation

2016-04-23 by Larry

I have get to find an image of mine that looks good on Aurora Art Natural.  Of course, I got this paper before I knew what dmax is.

Larry
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On Apr 22, 2016, 10:48, at 10:48, "Paul Roark roark.paul@... [QuadtoneRIP]" <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>Red River Aurora Natural is a very good and high per/$ value paper for
>many
>types of images.
>
>Paul
>www.PaulRoark.com
>
>On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 10:40 AM, rdeloe1@... [QuadtoneRIP] <
>QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Paul. Sound advice. Using the ICC helps a bit, but I don't
>like the
>> idea of having to make drastic adjustments to the image just for one
>paper.
>>
>> In the end I found a simpler solution: I returned  as much of it as I
>> could and learned my lesson. I should have paid attention to the
>reports of
>> low dMax! It's a shame because the weight and feel of the paper is
>very
>> nice. I presume it's working well for someone, because they've sold
>it for
>> a long time. It's just not a good choice for a carbon ink setup.
>> 
>>

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Red River Aurora Art Natural salvage operation

2016-04-23 by Larry

Oops, I meant "I have yet..."
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On Apr 22, 2016, 17:07, at 17:07, Larry <pianoquartet@...> wrote:
>I have get to find an image of mine that looks good on Aurora Art
>Natural.  Of course, I got this paper before I knew what dmax is.
>
>Larry
>
>
>
>On Apr 22, 2016, 10:48, at 10:48, "Paul Roark roark.paul@...
>[QuadtoneRIP]" <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>Red River Aurora Natural is a very good and high per/$ value paper for
>>many
>>types of images.
>>
>>Paul
>>www.PaulRoark.com
>>
>>On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 10:40 AM, rdeloe1@... [QuadtoneRIP] <
>>QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Paul. Sound advice. Using the ICC helps a bit, but I don't
>>like the
>>> idea of having to make drastic adjustments to the image just for one
>>paper.
>>>
>>> In the end I found a simpler solution: I returned  as much of it as
>I
>>> could and learned my lesson. I should have paid attention to the
>>reports of
>>> low dMax! It's a shame because the weight and feel of the paper is
>>very
>>> nice. I presume it's working well for someone, because they've sold
>>it for
>>> a long time. It's just not a good choice for a carbon ink setup.
>>> 
>>>

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