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Any favourite QTR-K3-OEM split-tone recipes?

Any favourite QTR-K3-OEM split-tone recipes?

2016-09-30 by brian_downunda@...

I've been making some first-time experiments with the split-toning option in QTR-K3-OEM. I'm seeing how close I can get to the Piezography Special Edition look (long story, don't ask). Through a modest amount of trial and error and guess-work, I've arrived at the following for a couple of matte papers:

Highlights Mid-tones Shadows

Sepia 0 20 50

Neutral 60 80 50

Cool 40 0 0

Anyone using anything different?


Re: Any favourite QTR-K3-OEM split-tone recipes?

2016-10-12 by brian_downunda@...

No-one using split-toning?


---In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, <brian_downunda@...> wrote :

I've been making some first-time experiments with the split-toning option in QTR-K3-OEM. I'm seeing how close I can get to the Piezography Special Edition look (long story, don't ask). Through a modest amount of trial and error and guess-work, I've arrived at the following for a couple of matte papers:

Highlights Mid-tones Shadows

Sepia 0 20 50

Neutral 60 80 50

Cool 40 0 0

Anyone using anything different?


Re: Any favourite QTR-K3-OEM split-tone recipes?

2016-10-13 by brian_downunda@...

Thanks. I've only tried this formula on a couple of matte papers so far. Were I to try it on gloss I'd probably use less sepia, as I find that most of the gloss papers that I use are warmer than my matte papers. At least that's true for Piezography, so I assume it's true also for QTR-K3-OEM. So it's interesting that you like my recipe on that RR "soft gloss" paper. I'm not familiar with it, and reading the RR description, perhaps it's more neutral that say IGFS or Platine or EEF or some of the Ilford Galerie papers.

The trouble with recipes like this is that they're trial and error and you can burn through a bit of paper and ink testing them out. I linearised each of the four component curves first, so I can mix them in any combination and get linear (predictable) results for tone, but it's hard to soft-proof the toning mix. I did construct a layered TIFF in Photoshop that enables me to roughly simulate it, but rough is the operative term. Hence I was interested to know if others had developed alternative mixes.

One thing that surprised me in this process was the need to use so much sepia to get the look I want (which means more of that dreaded yellow ink). The blacks are naturally warm, and the QTR warm curves just use the three black inks without any toners, but the QTR warm curves are not warm enough in the shadows for a split-tone look, IMHO. Perhaps they may be on gloss. I will test that.


---In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, <norm@...> wrote :

Tried your formula with the new Red River Palo Duro SoftGloss Rag. Like the look a lot.

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Any favourite QTR-K3-OEM split-tone recipes?

2016-10-14 by Norm Plummer

The prints came out with toning similar to what you see in LensWork.

Actually, what I was experimenting with was trying to achieve a depth to the print. At a local gallery (Schneider Gallery in Chicago), I saw some piezo prints from a fellow by the name of Mark Ballog. These prints were almost three-dimensional in that you felt like you could reach inside them. Trying to figure out how he achieved it (whether it was some very good dodging and burning, the camera or in the printing process). Probably need to break down and buy one of his prints so I can study it - the online images don’t do them justice. 

Also going to experiment with the Canson Platine Fiber Rag and the Innova Art IF-45. Will let you know how it works out. BTW: if you develop any more tweaks to the formula, let me know.
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> On Oct 13, 2016, at 6:52 PM, brian_downunda@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Thanks.  I've only tried this formula on a couple of matte papers so far.  Were I to try it on gloss I'd probably use less sepia, as I find that most of the gloss papers that I use are warmer than my matte papers.  At least that's true for Piezography, so I assume it's true also for QTR-K3-OEM.  So it's interesting that you like my recipe on that RR "soft gloss" paper.  I'm not familiar with it, and reading the RR description, perhaps it's more neutral that say IGFS or Platine or EEF or some of the Ilford Galerie papers.
> 
> The trouble with recipes like this is that they're trial and error and you can burn through a bit of paper and ink testing them out.  I linearised each of the four component curves first, so I can mix them in any combination and get linear (predictable) results for tone, but it's hard to soft-proof the toning mix.  I did construct a layered TIFF in Photoshop that enables me to roughly simulate it, but rough is the operative term.  Hence I was interested to know if others had developed alternative mixes.
> 
> One thing that surprised me in this process was the need to use so much sepia to get the look I want (which means more of that dreaded yellow ink).  The blacks are naturally warm, and the QTR warm curves just use the three black inks without any toners, but the QTR warm curves are not warm enough in the shadows for a split-tone look, IMHO.  Perhaps they may be on gloss.  I will test that.
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> 
> ---In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, <norm@...> wrote :
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> Tried your formula with the new Red River Palo Duro SoftGloss Rag. Like the look a lot.
> 
>

Re: Any favourite QTR-K3-OEM split-tone recipes?

2016-10-14 by brian_downunda@...

If you're a Lenswork Online subscriber, Brooks Jensen has a short video where he describes a Lightroom split-tone setting that in his view best replicates the Lenswork duotone print toning. Interestingly, it uses warm highlights as well as warm shadows.

My recipe is different in that it uses slightly cool highlights. Perhaps this is where a gloss paper comes in, for if the paper white is warm then it may offset the slightly cool highlights in my recipe and you may well end up closer to the LR look.

I was trying to replicate Piezography Special edition, which has a selenium shade 5 and neutral shades 6 and (for K7) shade 7, rather than the LW look. I'll need to find some time to replicate the exercise on gloss and see if I need to adjust the recipe to get the look I'm after. Although TBH, I find Piezography Special Edition on gloss too warm and so I'm not looking to replicate it exactly on gloss, I'm looking for something more muted.

I've read others describe Piezography prints as 3D-like, but I struggle to see the effect that they're referring to. I wonder if it's an artefact of them using a different workflow for Piezo rather than the additional ink shades per se. Perhaps it's better seen in larger prints than I am able to make.


---In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, <norm@...> wrote :

The prints came out with toning similar to what you see in LensWork.

... These prints were almost three-dimensional in that you felt like you could reach inside them.

Re: Any favourite QTR-K3-OEM split-tone recipes?

2016-10-15 by Lutsky, Berel


Long time user of Piezography SE ink set, great split toning very little trial and error great prints they also had a Warm neutral to Selenium set which I tried for a while, also nice prints, but I preferred the SE - truth was that One could mix the ink set any way you wanted as long as you kept the shades in the right positions. Better news is that the new piezo pro is about to launch - where the possibilities for split tone look to be infinite, and very accessible- pretty sure Walker will chime in on this
Berel Lutsky
Professor of Art
UW Manitowoc
920-683-4735

Re: Any favourite QTR-K3-OEM split-tone recipes?

2016-10-15 by brian_downunda@...

Thanks Berel. I'm also a long time user of Piezo SpecEd and I am fully aware of the imminent release of Pro. I don't think Walker needs yet another opportunity to hype it up so far ahead of its scheduled release.

I have reasons to ask about split-toning recipes for QTR-K3, and so the question stands.


---In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, <berel.lutsky@...> wrote :


Long time user of Piezography SE ink set, great split toning very little trial and error great prints they also had a Warm neutral to Selenium set which I tried for a while, also nice prints, but I preferred the SE - truth was that One could mix the ink set any way you wanted as long as you kept the shades in the right positions. Better news is that the new piezo pro is about to launch - where the possibilities for split tone look to be infinite, and very accessible- pretty sure Walker will chime in on this
Berel Lutsky
Professor of Art
UW Manitowoc
920-683-4735

Re: Any favourite QTR-K3-OEM split-tone recipes?

2016-10-16 by wattsies67@...

Brian

Not sure what you're seeking to achieve with the QTR-K3 split toning - I am using QTR in a slightly different way to the warm/cool/neutral/sepia curves common with the application. Following a method Les Walkling introduced me too I have 6 curves - Neutral, Blue_Grey, Purple_Selenium, Red_Selenium, Warm_Black and Yellow_Sepia. With small amounts of the toning curves there are numerous possibilities. I believe Les designed the curves to mimic the old Kodak toning formulae/cards.

I have previously also used piezography selenium inks. The results I am getting with the above approach are very pleasing, particularly with the Espon SC P800 which I am now using.

Anyway, I'd be happy to send you some overview materials/talk to it with you in more detail if you think it's of interest.

Jason (also downunder)
wattsies67@yahoo.com

Re: Any favourite QTR-K3-OEM split-tone recipes?

2016-10-17 by brian_downunda@...

Well Jason, what I'm trying to achieve in the first instance is fairly simple and uncomplicated. I want fairly conventionally split-toned prints, i.e. warm toned shadows and slightly cool highlights, using the supplied QTR-K3-UC curves. I've done that, and was only really asking whether anyone had arrived at a different recipe.

I'm aware of your use of Walkling-derived material from another photographer in your city that you've met with and whom I collaborate with. I'll get him to send you my contact details. I'm not looking to construct a complex workflow and endless variations, but the purple selenium curve may be of interest for the highlights. Thanks.


---In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, <wattsies67@...> wrote :

Brian

Not sure what you're seeking to achieve with the QTR-K3 split toning - I am using QTR in a slightly different way to the warm/cool/neutral/sepia curves common with the application. Following a method Les Walkling introduced me too I have 6 curves - Neutral, Blue_Grey, Purple_Selenium, Red_Selenium, Warm_Black and Yellow_Sepia. With small amounts of the toning curves there are numerous possibilities. I believe Les designed the curves to mimic the old Kodak toning formulae/cards.

I have previously also used piezography selenium inks. The results I am getting with the above approach are very pleasing, particularly with the Espon SC P800 which I am now using.

Anyway, I'd be happy to send you some overview materials/talk to it with you in more detail if you think it's of interest.

Jason (also downunder)
wattsies67@...

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Any favourite QTR-K3-OEM split-tone recipes?

2016-10-22 by Norm Plummer

Hi, Jason,

Would you be able to send me a link or information about your six toning curves?

I have been playing with gold/selenium split toning both in the darkroom and with Photoshop. Would like to try it with QTR. My environment is Epson 3880 (K3 ink set) and either matte or soft gloss rag paper. Any info or advice would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Norm
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> On Oct 17, 2016, at 5:46 PM, brian_downunda@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Well Jason, what I'm trying to achieve in the first instance is fairly simple and uncomplicated.  I want fairly conventionally split-toned prints, i.e. warm toned shadows and slightly cool highlights, using the supplied QTR-K3-UC curves.  I've done that, and was only really asking whether anyone had arrived at a different recipe.
> 
> I'm aware of your use of Walkling-derived material from another photographer in your city that you've met with and whom I collaborate with.  I'll get him to send you my contact details.  I'm not looking to construct a complex workflow and endless variations, but the purple selenium curve may be of interest for the highlights.  Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> ---In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, <wattsies67@...> wrote :
> 
> Brian
> 
> Not sure what you're seeking to achieve with the QTR-K3 split toning - I am using QTR in a slightly different way to the warm/cool/neutral/sepia curves common with the application.  Following a method Les Walkling introduced me too I have 6 curves - Neutral, Blue_Grey, Purple_Selenium, Red_Selenium, Warm_Black and Yellow_Sepia.  With small amounts of the toning curves there are numerous possibilities.  I believe Les designed the curves to mimic the old Kodak toning formulae/cards.
> 
> I have previously also used piezography selenium inks.  The results I am getting with the above approach are very pleasing, particularly with the Espon SC P800 which I am now using.  
> 
> Anyway, I'd be happy to send you some overview materials/talk to it with you in more detail if you think it's of interest. 
> 
> Jason (also downunder)
> wattsies67@...
> 
>

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