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P800 or P600 Digital Negatives - MK or PK Epson Ink

P800 or P600 Digital Negatives - MK or PK Epson Ink

2017-06-22 by TerryGls@...

I wish to "dedicate" my new P800 printer to Matte papers, however I also print dig negs on Pictorico film.

My experience with my R1800 printer and Eboni MK ink and dig negs is the "grain" and smoothness is fine. However, the R1800 is a 1.5 picoliter drop size versus the P800 3.5 picoliter drop size.

So my Question: 
Would MK Epson ink on the P800 (P600) give as good results as PK ink dig negatives for Cyanotype, VDB, and Pl/Pt Alt processes?

Thanks and any thoughts appreciated.
~Terry

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] P800 or P600 Digital Negatives - MK or PK Epson Ink

2017-06-22 by forums@walkerblackwell.com

Long story short, no.

The MK ink is actually too opaque in comparison to the LK ink meaning as the MK and LK ink start to merge in the HLs, you will get lots of white dots in the highlights of your darkroom print. 

The MK ink (Ultra-chrome HD) also rubs off of film easily and is very fragile as it is designed for more porous substrate. It doesn’t work well on film with no half-tone applied.

best,
Walker
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> On Jun 22, 2017, at 11:39 AM, TerryGls@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> I wish to "dedicate" my new P800 printer to Matte papers, however I also print dig negs on Pictorico film.
> 
> My experience with my R1800 printer and Eboni MK ink and dig negs is the "grain" and smoothness is fine. However, the R1800 is a 1.5 picoliter drop size versus the P800 3.5 picoliter drop size.
> 
> So my Question: 
> Would MK Epson ink on the P800 (P600) give as good results as PK ink dig negatives for Cyanotype, VDB, and Pl/Pt Alt processes?
> 
> Thanks and any thoughts appreciated.
> ~Terry
> 
>

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] P800 or P600 Digital Negatives - MK or PK Epson Ink

2017-06-22 by richard@...

I guess the first question is why not just switch between the PK and MK inks like normal? Are you worried about waste ink? How much switching are you planning on doing?

The whole Ron Reeder "use MK for negatives" was been proved wrong a long time ago but people still go along with it. Like Walker said, it doesn't stick to the film and you end up with grainy highlights. That was the case 10 years ago with the x800 printers, and it is still true with the new HD inks.

If you are going to be using the P800 for digital negatives, take a look at my new QuickCurve-DN system. It uses a lot more overlap of the LLK and LK inks and very little PK compared to most other QTR systems. It also includes stand alone linearization tools so you don't need to mess with any of the traditional QTR calibration workflows or Photoshop correction curves.


Hope that helps,
Richard Boutwell

http://www.richardboutwell.com/

Re: P800 or P600 Digital Negatives - MK or PK Epson Ink

2017-06-22 by TerryGls@...

Thanks Richard and Peter.
Yes, primarily a ink consumption issue as the P800 ink loss is pretty great.
I may continue MK papers on my R1800 and use the P800 for glossy and dig negs.

Hoping for more comments on this topic.

~Terry

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] P800 or P600 Digital Negatives - MK or PK Epson Ink

2017-06-22 by forums@walkerblackwell.com

I would also note that using these printers with only MK or PK is not advised. Waiting a long time to switch the damper can lead to it breaking. They are meant to switch often. By not switching, it could lead to a much more costly repair down the road outweighing the ink savings.

best,
Walker

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