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Eboni Variable Tone

2018-07-04 by Myron Gochnauer

I finally installed Paul’s Eboni-VT inks in a 3880. As a start, I decided to go as generic as possible: Epson ABW driver/setting and Epson Enhanced Matte paper I still had from many years ago.

Wow! Very nice prints, with no special tweaking! Over the years I have generally avoided matte papers because after decades of printing on air-dried glossy paper in the darkroom, they just looked weak. But the few I have tried with this new setup look… well, they look rather elegant. And they ‘project’ well even in fading evening light.

QUESTION:
Does anyone have a suggestion for the least-disruptive way to keep Eboni-VT as my standard setup, but from time to time switch to something that will work well with glossy papers?

I’ve left PK in the PK location, and could ‘switch blacks' to access that cartridge. Any suggestions about other inks that would need changing for good quality on non-matte paper? (Using QTR would not be a barrier.)

If nothing else, I’m guessing that I could put LK and LLK in their OEM positions (now occupied by 18% and 6% MK (Eboni). I wonder whether the ABW would work with this. (Why not? It uses mostly PK, LK, LLK and the ‘yellow’ position, at least if you stay on the centre line of the advanced colour adjustment wheel.)

Eboni-VT that I’m using:

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Y = Toner (13.75% Blue, 11.25% Cyan Canon Lucia pigments, 75% clear base.)
LM = 6% MK
M = 18% MK
LC = 9% MK
C = 30% MK
LK = 18% MK
LLK = 6% MK
K = 100% MK

Thanks!

Myron

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Eboni Variable Tone

2018-07-04 by Paul Roark

Myron,

See the following:

http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Glossy-Carbon-Variable-Tone.pdf

The above is the 1430, generic hextone setup that is glossy compatible.

http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/7800-Glossy-Carbon-Variable-Tone-2016.pdf

This is the glossy version I have in my 9800 now. It has a dual-MK setup because I often print on Arches watercolor paper, which needs two MK positions to achieve a top notch dmax. Don't use this dual-MK if you're just printing on inkjet paper; use an ink placement similar to the 3880 Eboni VT, but with gloss carbons & base. It will be simpler for Epson driver printing.

The glossy pigs print a bit warmer on matte paper than my original Eboni VT, but it's very flexible and what I actually use the most because I'm now most often printing Red River satin paper that I dry mount an sell un-glazed (always with a Print Shield spray acrylic coating). I did not make a DIY version of the MIS amber (glossy) base that is used to dilute MIS PK for this one. (The generic DIY matte base I formulated caused too much pain for MIS. We need our supply chain.)

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com


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On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 11:35 AM Myron Gochnauer goch@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I finally installed Paul’s Eboni-VT inks in a 3880. As a start, I decided to go as generic as possible: Epson ABW driver/setting and Epson Enhanced Matte paper I still had from many years ago.

Wow! Very nice prints, with no special tweaking! Over the years I have generally avoided matte papers because after decades of printing on air-dried glossy paper in the darkroom, they just looked weak. But the few I have tried with this new setup look… well, they look rather elegant. And they ‘project’ well even in fading evening light.

QUESTION:
Does anyone have a suggestion for the least-disruptive way to keep Eboni-VT as my standard setup, but from time to time switch to something that will work well with glossy papers?

I’ve left PK in the PK location, and could ‘switch blacks' to access that cartridge. Any suggestions about other inks that would need changing for good quality on non-matte paper? (Using QTR would not be a barrier.)

If nothing else, I’m guessing that I could put LK and LLK in their OEM positions (now occupied by 18% and 6% MK (Eboni). I wonder whether the ABW would work with this. (Why not? It uses mostly PK, LK, LLK and the ‘yellow’ position, at least if you stay on the centre line of the advanced colour adjustment wheel.)

Eboni-VT that I’m using:

Y = Toner (13.75% Blue, 11.25% Cyan Canon Lucia pigments, 75% clear base.)
LM = 6% MK
M = 18% MK
LC = 9% MK
C = 30% MK
LK = 18% MK
LLK = 6% MK
K = 100% MK

Thanks!

Myron

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Eboni Variable Tone

2018-07-05 by Myron Gochnauer

http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/7800-Glossy-Carbon-Variable-Tone-2016.pdf

… use an ink placement similar to the 3880 Eboni VT, but with gloss carbons & base. It will be simpler for Epson driver printing.

Am I correct that I should use the dilutions suggested in the above-referenced 7800 article in footnote #9?

That would require changes to LLK and LK.

For other readers, here is my summary of your recommendations:

Glossy VT Eboni VT

LM = 6% PK 6% MK
M = 18% PK 18% MK
LC = 9% PK 9% MK
C = 30% PK 30% MK
LLK = 15% PK 6% MK
LK = 50% PK 18% MK
K=100%PK/MK 100% MK

Yellow position is the same Blue-Cyan-base mix for both versions.

Thank you!
Myron

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Eboni Variable Tone

2018-07-05 by Myron Gochnauer

Oops. Sorry. The formatting was lost. I guess tabs are stripped out.

Let me try it with spaces…

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Glossy VT Eboni VT

LM = 6% PK 6% MK
M = 18% PK 18% MK
LC = 9% PK 9% MK
C = 30% PK 30% MK
LLK = 15% PK 6% MK
LK = 50% PK 18% MK
K=100%PK/MK 100% MK


On Jul. 5, 2018, at 10:41 a.m., Myron Gochnauer goch@unb.ca [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/7800-Glossy-Carbon-Variable-Tone-2016.pdf

… use an ink placement similar to the 3880 Eboni VT, but with gloss carbons & base. It will be simpler for Epson driver printing.

Am I correct that I should use the dilutions suggested in the above-referenced 7800 article in footnote #9?

That would require changes to LLK and LK.

For other readers, here is my summary of your recommendations:

Glossy VT Eboni VT

LM = 6% PK 6% MK
M = 18% PK 18% MK
LC = 9% PK 9% MK
C = 30% PK 30% MK
LLK = 15% PK 6% MK
LK = 50% PK 18% MK
K=100%PK/MK 100% MK

Yellow position is the same Blue-Cyan-base mix for both versions.

Thank you!
Myron



Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Eboni Variable Tone

2018-07-05 by Paul Roark

I might back the LLK and LK off a bit for Epson driver printing. To reduce the amount of mixing, you might just use the LC & C dilutions again in the LLK and LK. Because they'll be in a different partition than the "color" inks, the cross-overs will mix it up sufficiently -- I think.

The Epson driver is a "black box" that, until you try to profile a specific ink arrangement, particularly where an LK is involved, it's hard to say if the deep shadow cross-overs will be appropriate. Watch for flat spots or other weirdness in those deep shadows.

Let us know how it works.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
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On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 7:08 AM Myron Gochnauer goch@unb.ca [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Oops. Sorry. The formatting was lost. I guess tabs are stripped out.


Let me try it with spaces…

Glossy VT Eboni VT

LM = 6% PK 6% MK
M = 18% PK 18% MK
LC = 9% PK 9% MK
C = 30% PK 30% MK
LLK = 15% PK 6% MK
LK = 50% PK 18% MK
K=100%PK/MK 100% MK


On Jul. 5, 2018, at 10:41 a.m., Myron Gochnauer goch@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/7800-Glossy-Carbon-Variable-Tone-2016.pdf

… use an ink placement similar to the 3880 Eboni VT, but with gloss carbons & base. It will be simpler for Epson driver printing.

Am I correct that I should use the dilutions suggested in the above-referenced 7800 article in footnote #9?

That would require changes to LLK and LK.

For other readers, here is my summary of your recommendations:

Glossy VT Eboni VT

LM = 6% PK 6% MK
M = 18% PK 18% MK
LC = 9% PK 9% MK
C = 30% PK 30% MK
LLK = 15% PK 6% MK
LK = 50% PK 18% MK
K=100%PK/MK 100% MK

Yellow position is the same Blue-Cyan-base mix for both versions.

Thank you!
Myron



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