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QTR Curve Creation Questions

2005-04-27 by donbga

Hello Everyone,

I'm attempting to create a new sepia tone curve for Red River Premium 
Matte 76 lb and I have a few questions about the process. I'm using 
an Epson 2200 with UC inks and the Windows XP version of QTR.

I've read the tutorial by Tom Moore (many times) and the tutorial by 
Scott Graham (also many times).

Primarily using Tom's guide I have performed the following steps 
which I think are correct:

1) Printed an initial Ink Seperation Test using the InkSeperation.psd 
file using QTRgui. From which, after letting the inks dry, determined 
the ink limitations for the MK and LK inks using a densitometer.

2)Next I edited a qidf file using the ink limit values determined in 
step one. I also set the values of the various variables found in 
other sepia toned qidf files found in the QTR Profiles\2200-UC folder.

3) I then created a curve from QTRgui with no linearization statement 
in the qidf file.

4) I've now printed a 21 step wedge file. BTW, when I printed the 
files I converted the embedded profile to Gray-Matte. There are two 
files included with the QTR distribution and I've printed both. One 
has small steps and is labeled 21 step grayscale linearization. The 
second has a smooth gradient above the discrete steps. Which is the 
correct one to use to linearize the curve? 

I assume that I am now ready to linearize since the tone of the step 
wedges look acceptable. However, I'm wondering if I need to set ink 
limits for the toner inks?

From reading the tutorials I noticed this note from Tom:

"Finally, there is also a secondary flag for the UltraChrome inks 
called UC_SEPIA=YES.  With this flag the LK curve is also copied into 
the Y yellow ink allowing you to add yellow to make a sepia tone."

I have found using this flag causes QTRgui to throw an error. Am I 
missing something here.

I suppose I've asked enough questions for now, I do appreciate any 
help anyone can offer.

Don Bryant

P.S. Just for the record here is the listing for the qidf file I have 
created.

PRINTER=Quad2200
CURVE_NAME=UCmk-RRPremiumMatte76-sepia
GRAPH_CURVE=YES
N_OF_INKS=7
DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=70
BOOST_K=95
LIMIT_K=
LIMIT_C=
LIMIT_M=
LIMIT_Y=10
LIMIT_LK=56
LIMIT_LC=9
LIMIT_LM=29
N_OF_GRAY_PARTS=2
GRAY_INK_1=K
GRAY_VAL_1=100
GRAY_INK_2=LK
GRAY_VAL_2=26
GRAY_HIGHLIGHT=4
GRAY_SHADOW=8
GRAY_OVERLAP=
GRAY_GAMMA=1
GRAY_CURVE=
N_OF_TONER_PARTS=0
TONER_HIGHLIGHT=2
TONER_SHADOW=2
TONER_GAMMA=1
TONER_CURVE=
N_OF_UNUSED=2
UNUSED_INK_1=C
UNUSED_INK_2=M
UC_NEUTRALIZER=YES

RE: [QuadtoneRIP] QTR Curve Creation Questions

2005-04-27 by Tom Moore

Don

You don't say which version of QTR you're using. It should be 2.2b. Assuming
that you are, there is no need to edit .qidf files directly. Use the Curve
Creator to open an existing sepia curve for the 2200. You can enter the
relative densities and ink limits on the main page. You'll see that for a
Sepia curve, there are non zero ink limits for the Y, LC and LM inks and
each of these inks is set to "Copy Curve" from LK. The Copy Curve is the
equivalent of the old UC_NEUTRALIZE and UC_SEPIA flags in my document.

Once you enter the limits you want, clear out the Linearize array and save
the curve under a name. Then you can use Create Curve to make the curve
available for printing.

There should be a new user manual out soon.

Tom Moore

By the way, I responded to your private email requesting my spreadsheet, but
your spam checker bounced my reply.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of donbga
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 9:05 PM
> To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] QTR Curve Creation Questions
> 
> 
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I'm attempting to create a new sepia tone curve for Red River Premium
> Matte 76 lb and I have a few questions about the process. I'm using
> an Epson 2200 with UC inks and the Windows XP version of QTR.
> 
> I've read the tutorial by Tom Moore (many times) and the tutorial by
> Scott Graham (also many times).
> 
> Primarily using Tom's guide I have performed the following steps
> which I think are correct:
> 
> 1) Printed an initial Ink Seperation Test using the InkSeperation.psd
> file using QTRgui. From which, after letting the inks dry, determined
> the ink limitations for the MK and LK inks using a densitometer.
> 
> 2)Next I edited a qidf file using the ink limit values determined in
> step one. I also set the values of the various variables found in
> other sepia toned qidf files found in the QTR Profiles\2200-UC folder.
> 
> 3) I then created a curve from QTRgui with no linearization statement
> in the qidf file.
> 
> 4) I've now printed a 21 step wedge file. BTW, when I printed the
> files I converted the embedded profile to Gray-Matte. There are two
> files included with the QTR distribution and I've printed both. One
> has small steps and is labeled 21 step grayscale linearization. The
> second has a smooth gradient above the discrete steps. Which is the
> correct one to use to linearize the curve?
> 
> I assume that I am now ready to linearize since the tone of the step
> wedges look acceptable. However, I'm wondering if I need to set ink
> limits for the toner inks?
> 
> From reading the tutorials I noticed this note from Tom:
> 
> "Finally, there is also a secondary flag for the UltraChrome inks
> called UC_SEPIA=YES.  With this flag the LK curve is also copied into
> the Y yellow ink allowing you to add yellow to make a sepia tone."
> 
> I have found using this flag causes QTRgui to throw an error. Am I
> missing something here.
> 
> I suppose I've asked enough questions for now, I do appreciate any
> help anyone can offer.
> 
> Don Bryant
> 
> P.S. Just for the record here is the listing for the qidf file I have
> created.
> 
> PRINTER=Quad2200
> CURVE_NAME=UCmk-RRPremiumMatte76-sepia
> GRAPH_CURVE=YES
> N_OF_INKS=7
> DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=70
> BOOST_K=95
> LIMIT_K=
> LIMIT_C=
> LIMIT_M=
> LIMIT_Y=10
> LIMIT_LK=56
> LIMIT_LC=9
> LIMIT_LM=29
> N_OF_GRAY_PARTS=2
> GRAY_INK_1=K
> GRAY_VAL_1=100
> GRAY_INK_2=LK
> GRAY_VAL_2=26
> GRAY_HIGHLIGHT=4
> GRAY_SHADOW=8
> GRAY_OVERLAP=
> GRAY_GAMMA=1
> GRAY_CURVE=
> N_OF_TONER_PARTS=0
> TONER_HIGHLIGHT=2
> TONER_SHADOW=2
> TONER_GAMMA=1
> TONER_CURVE=
> N_OF_UNUSED=2
> UNUSED_INK_1=C
> UNUSED_INK_2=M
> UC_NEUTRALIZER=YES
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: QTR Curve Creation Questions

2005-04-27 by Leon Strembitsky

Tom,

I've been struggling with the QTR 2.2b linearization process for a 
while and joined this forum recently to try to find some answers. 
Looks like you may have some soon. Any idea when the new user manual 
will be ready? It'd probably be more worth while to wait for it 
instead of asking questions here that may be answered by it.

Thanks,

Leon Strembitsky
www.caelinartworks.com

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Moore" <r.t.moore@r...> 
wrote:
> Don
> 
> You don't say which version of QTR you're using. It should be 2.2b. 
Assuming
> that you are, there is no need to edit .qidf files directly. Use 
the Curve
> Creator to open an existing sepia curve for the 2200. You can enter 
the
> relative densities and ink limits on the main page. You'll see that 
for a
> Sepia curve, there are non zero ink limits for the Y, LC and LM 
inks and
> each of these inks is set to "Copy Curve" from LK. The Copy Curve 
is the
> equivalent of the old UC_NEUTRALIZE and UC_SEPIA flags in my 
document.
> 
> Once you enter the limits you want, clear out the Linearize array 
and save
> the curve under a name. Then you can use Create Curve to make the 
curve
> available for printing.
> 
> There should be a new user manual out soon.
> 
> Tom Moore
> 
> By the way, I responded to your private email requesting my 
spreadsheet, but
> your spam checker bounced my reply.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of donbga
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 9:05 PM
> > To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] QTR Curve Creation Questions
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hello Everyone,
> > 
> > I'm attempting to create a new sepia tone curve for Red River 
Premium
> > Matte 76 lb and I have a few questions about the process. I'm 
using
> > an Epson 2200 with UC inks and the Windows XP version of QTR.
> > 
> > I've read the tutorial by Tom Moore (many times) and the tutorial 
by
> > Scott Graham (also many times).
> > 
> > Primarily using Tom's guide I have performed the following steps
> > which I think are correct:
> > 
> > 1) Printed an initial Ink Seperation Test using the 
InkSeperation.psd
> > file using QTRgui. From which, after letting the inks dry, 
determined
> > the ink limitations for the MK and LK inks using a densitometer.
> > 
> > 2)Next I edited a qidf file using the ink limit values determined 
in
> > step one. I also set the values of the various variables found in
> > other sepia toned qidf files found in the QTR Profiles\2200-UC 
folder.
> > 
> > 3) I then created a curve from QTRgui with no linearization 
statement
> > in the qidf file.
> > 
> > 4) I've now printed a 21 step wedge file. BTW, when I printed the
> > files I converted the embedded profile to Gray-Matte. There are 
two
> > files included with the QTR distribution and I've printed both. 
One
> > has small steps and is labeled 21 step grayscale linearization. 
The
> > second has a smooth gradient above the discrete steps. Which is 
the
> > correct one to use to linearize the curve?
> > 
> > I assume that I am now ready to linearize since the tone of the 
step
> > wedges look acceptable. However, I'm wondering if I need to set 
ink
> > limits for the toner inks?
> > 
> > From reading the tutorials I noticed this note from Tom:
> > 
> > "Finally, there is also a secondary flag for the UltraChrome inks
> > called UC_SEPIA=YES.  With this flag the LK curve is also copied 
into
> > the Y yellow ink allowing you to add yellow to make a sepia tone."
> > 
> > I have found using this flag causes QTRgui to throw an error. Am I
> > missing something here.
> > 
> > I suppose I've asked enough questions for now, I do appreciate any
> > help anyone can offer.
> > 
> > Don Bryant
> > 
> > P.S. Just for the record here is the listing for the qidf file I 
have
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> > created.
> > 
> > PRINTER=Quad2200
> > CURVE_NAME=UCmk-RRPremiumMatte76-sepia
> > GRAPH_CURVE=YES
> > N_OF_INKS=7
> > DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=70
> > BOOST_K=95
> > LIMIT_K=
> > LIMIT_C=
> > LIMIT_M=
> > LIMIT_Y=10
> > LIMIT_LK=56
> > LIMIT_LC=9
> > LIMIT_LM=29
> > N_OF_GRAY_PARTS=2
> > GRAY_INK_1=K
> > GRAY_VAL_1=100
> > GRAY_INK_2=LK
> > GRAY_VAL_2=26
> > GRAY_HIGHLIGHT=4
> > GRAY_SHADOW=8
> > GRAY_OVERLAP=
> > GRAY_GAMMA=1
> > GRAY_CURVE=
> > N_OF_TONER_PARTS=0
> > TONER_HIGHLIGHT=2
> > TONER_SHADOW=2
> > TONER_GAMMA=1
> > TONER_CURVE=
> > N_OF_UNUSED=2
> > UNUSED_INK_1=C
> > UNUSED_INK_2=M
> > UC_NEUTRALIZER=YES
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >

RE: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: QTR Curve Creation Questions

2005-04-27 by Stephen Billard

A new version of QTR along with the new user guide is posted on Roy's downloads
page.
 
 
-Stephen
 www.sbillard.org/Stephen
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-----Original Message-----
From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Leon Strembitsky
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 12:44 PM
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: QTR Curve Creation Questions



Tom,

I've been struggling with the QTR 2.2b linearization process for a 
while and joined this forum recently to try to find some answers. 
Looks like you may have some soon. Any idea when the new user manual 
will be ready? It'd probably be more worth while to wait for it 
instead of asking questions here that may be answered by it.

Thanks,

Leon Strembitsky
www.caelinartworks.com

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Moore" <r.t.moore@r...> 
wrote:
> Don
> 
> You don't say which version of QTR you're using. It should be 2.2b. 
Assuming
> that you are, there is no need to edit .qidf files directly. Use 
the Curve
> Creator to open an existing sepia curve for the 2200. You can enter 
the
> relative densities and ink limits on the main page. You'll see that 
for a
> Sepia curve, there are non zero ink limits for the Y, LC and LM 
inks and
> each of these inks is set to "Copy Curve" from LK. The Copy Curve 
is the
> equivalent of the old UC_NEUTRALIZE and UC_SEPIA flags in my 
document.
> 
> Once you enter the limits you want, clear out the Linearize array 
and save
> the curve under a name. Then you can use Create Curve to make the 
curve
> available for printing.
> 
> There should be a new user manual out soon.
> 
> Tom Moore
> 
> By the way, I responded to your private email requesting my 
spreadsheet, but
> your spam checker bounced my reply.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of donbga
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 9:05 PM
> > To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] QTR Curve Creation Questions
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hello Everyone,
> > 
> > I'm attempting to create a new sepia tone curve for Red River 
Premium
> > Matte 76 lb and I have a few questions about the process. I'm 
using
> > an Epson 2200 with UC inks and the Windows XP version of QTR.
> > 
> > I've read the tutorial by Tom Moore (many times) and the tutorial 
by
> > Scott Graham (also many times).
> > 
> > Primarily using Tom's guide I have performed the following steps
> > which I think are correct:
> > 
> > 1) Printed an initial Ink Seperation Test using the 
InkSeperation.psd
> > file using QTRgui. From which, after letting the inks dry, 
determined
> > the ink limitations for the MK and LK inks using a densitometer.
> > 
> > 2)Next I edited a qidf file using the ink limit values determined 
in
> > step one. I also set the values of the various variables found in
> > other sepia toned qidf files found in the QTR Profiles\2200-UC 
folder.
> > 
> > 3) I then created a curve from QTRgui with no linearization 
statement
> > in the qidf file.
> > 
> > 4) I've now printed a 21 step wedge file. BTW, when I printed the
> > files I converted the embedded profile to Gray-Matte. There are 
two
> > files included with the QTR distribution and I've printed both. 
One
> > has small steps and is labeled 21 step grayscale linearization. 
The
> > second has a smooth gradient above the discrete steps. Which is 
the
> > correct one to use to linearize the curve?
> > 
> > I assume that I am now ready to linearize since the tone of the 
step
> > wedges look acceptable. However, I'm wondering if I need to set 
ink
> > limits for the toner inks?
> > 
> > From reading the tutorials I noticed this note from Tom:
> > 
> > "Finally, there is also a secondary flag for the UltraChrome inks
> > called UC_SEPIA=YES.  With this flag the LK curve is also copied 
into
> > the Y yellow ink allowing you to add yellow to make a sepia tone."
> > 
> > I have found using this flag causes QTRgui to throw an error. Am I
> > missing something here.
> > 
> > I suppose I've asked enough questions for now, I do appreciate any
> > help anyone can offer.
> > 
> > Don Bryant
> > 
> > P.S. Just for the record here is the listing for the qidf file I 
have
> > created.
> > 
> > PRINTER=Quad2200
> > CURVE_NAME=UCmk-RRPremiumMatte76-sepia
> > GRAPH_CURVE=YES
> > N_OF_INKS=7
> > DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=70
> > BOOST_K=95
> > LIMIT_K=
> > LIMIT_C=
> > LIMIT_M=
> > LIMIT_Y=10
> > LIMIT_LK=56
> > LIMIT_LC=9
> > LIMIT_LM=29
> > N_OF_GRAY_PARTS=2
> > GRAY_INK_1=K
> > GRAY_VAL_1=100
> > GRAY_INK_2=LK
> > GRAY_VAL_2=26
> > GRAY_HIGHLIGHT=4
> > GRAY_SHADOW=8
> > GRAY_OVERLAP=
> > GRAY_GAMMA=1
> > GRAY_CURVE=
> > N_OF_TONER_PARTS=0
> > TONER_HIGHLIGHT=2
> > TONER_SHADOW=2
> > TONER_GAMMA=1
> > TONER_CURVE=
> > N_OF_UNUSED=2
> > UNUSED_INK_1=C
> > UNUSED_INK_2=M
> > UC_NEUTRALIZER=YES
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >





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RE: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: QTR Curve Creation Questions

2005-04-28 by Tom Moore

Diane

 

The user guide is for the Win version. Unfortunately I don't have a Mac so I
can't say how much of the Curve Creation is applicable to the Mac version. I
believe that there are presently some differences.

 

Tom

 

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From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Diane Fields
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:12 PM
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: QTR Curve Creation Questions

 

Stephen, what will this address?  I assume it is Mac/Win both.

Move to quarantaine

This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.