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2006-05-08 by scribedc
I am trying to print on Hahnemuhle with the Quadtone RIP. I am getting very dark results. There does not appear to be a specific profile for the paper. I was wondering what others are using for the profile. I have tried with Entrada and Epson profiles. Other suggestions?
2006-05-08 by STEVE DEER
the h profiles should be there... they are in mine!
steve
--- scribedc <ifotogu@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
I am trying to print on Hahnemuhle with the Quadtone
RIP. I am getting
very dark results.
There does not appear to be a specific profile for the
paper. I was
wondering what others are using for the profile.
I have tried with Entrada and Epson profiles. Other
suggestions?
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2006-05-09 by koloshor
--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "scribedc" <ifotogu@...> wrote: > > I am trying to print on Hahnemuhle with the Quadtone RIP. I am getting > very dark results. > > There does not appear to be a specific profile for the paper. I was > wondering what others are using for the profile. > > I have tried with Entrada and Epson profiles. Other suggestions? Robert and Steve, Not all papers are profiled for all printers or inks. I'm betting Steve is using something common, like a 2200, where dang near every paper out there is profiled. Robert, what printer are you using?
2006-05-09 by ifotogu@aol.com
Thanks for your response. I am using the Epson 2200. I checked last night, and I still could not find the profiles for the Hahnemuhle papers. Robert
-----Original Message----- From: koloshor <koloshor@...> To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 9 May 2006 15:43:38 -0000 Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "scribedc" <ifotogu@...> wrote: > > I am trying to print on Hahnemuhle with the Quadtone RIP. I am getting > very dark results. > > There does not appear to be a specific profile for the paper. I was > wondering what others are using for the profile. > > I have tried with Entrada and Epson profiles. Other suggestions? Robert and Steve, Not all papers are profiled for all printers or inks. I'm betting Steve is using something common, like a 2200, where dang near every paper out there is profiled. Robert, what printer are you using? Yahoo! Groups Links
2006-05-09 by joachim oppenheimer
I purchased a profile for the 2000 Hahnemule fotorag from Inkjetlab in Vermont for $25.00 - Joachim [joachim oppenheimer] From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ifotogu@...
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:52 AM
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Cc: koloshor@...
Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
Thanks for your response.
I am using the Epson 2200. I checked last night, and I still could not
find the profiles for the Hahnemuhle papers.
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: koloshor <koloshor@...>
To: Quadtone
[joachim oppenheimer] RIP@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 9 May 2006 15:43:38 -0000
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "scribedc" <ifotogu@...> wrote:
>
> I am trying to print on Hahnemuhle with the Quadtone RIP. I am getting
> very dark results.
>
> There does not appear to be a specific profile for the paper. I was
> wondering what others are using for the profile.
>
> I have tried with Entrada and Epson profiles. Other suggestions?
Robert and Steve,
Not all papers are profiled for all printers or inks. I'm betting
Steve is using something common, like a 2200, where dang near every
paper out there is profiled.
Robert, what printer are you using?
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--2006-05-09 by ifotogu@aol.com
Thanks for the info... How does it work? I guess you just install this with the other profiles in the QTR? -- Robert
-----Original Message----- From: joachim oppenheimer <joachim2@...> To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 9 May 2006 12:46:27 -0400 Subject: RE: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles I purchased a profile for the 2000 Hahnemule fotorag from Inkjetlab in Vermont for $25.00 - Joachim [joachim oppenheimer] From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ifotogu@... Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:52 AM To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com Cc: koloshor@... Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles Thanks for your response. I am using the Epson 2200. I checked last night, and I still could not find the profiles for the Hahnemuhle papers. Robert -----Original Message----- From: koloshor <koloshor@...> To: Quadtone [joachim oppenheimer] RIP@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 9 May 2006 15:43:38 -0000 Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "scribedc" <ifotogu@...> wrote: > > I am trying to print on Hahnemuhle with the Quadtone RIP. I am getting > very dark results. > > There does not appear to be a specific profile for the paper. I was > wondering what others are using for the profile. > > I have tried with Entrada and Epson profiles. Other suggestions? Robert and Steve, Not all papers are profiled for all printers or inks. I'm betting Steve is using something common, like a 2200, where dang near every paper out there is profiled. Robert, what printer are you using? Yahoo! Groups Links SPONSORED LINKS Digital wedding photography Learn digital photography Digital photography college Digital photography Digital photography web site Digital photography course YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "QuadtoneRIP" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: QuadtoneRIP-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
2006-05-09 by joachim oppenheimer
I apologize for the error: It was for the 2200, not the 2000 that I bought the profile. Joachim
-----Original Message-----
From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of ifotogu@...
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 12:50 PM
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
Thanks for the info...
How does it work? I guess you just install this with the other profiles in
the QTR? -- Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: joachim oppenheimer <joachim2@...>
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 9 May 2006 12:46:27 -0400
Subject: RE: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
I purchased a profile for the 2000 Hahnemule fotorag from Inkjetlab in
Vermont for $25.00 - Joachim
[joachim oppenheimer] From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ifotogu@...
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:52 AM
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Cc: koloshor@...
Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
Thanks for your response.
I am using the Epson 2200. I checked last night, and I still could not
find the profiles for the Hahnemuhle papers.
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: koloshor <koloshor@...>
To: Quadtone
[joachim oppenheimer] RIP@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 9 May 2006 15:43:38 -0000
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "scribedc" <ifotogu@...> wrote:
>
> I am trying to print on Hahnemuhle with the Quadtone RIP. I am getting
> very dark results.
>
> There does not appear to be a specific profile for the paper. I was
> wondering what others are using for the profile.
>
> I have tried with Entrada and Epson profiles. Other suggestions?
Robert and Steve,
Not all papers are profiled for all printers or inks. I'm betting
Steve is using something common, like a 2200, where dang near every
paper out there is profiled.
Robert, what printer are you using?
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--2006-05-09 by Roy Harrington
Profiles that you get from other sources are most likely color ICC profiles for the Epson driver unless they are explicitly labeled as either QTR ICC profiles made with the QTR-Create-ICC utility or as the QTR curves/profiles for the QTR driver. These curves/profiles are what you would most like want. You can usually tell by the extension -- .icc or icm is for ICC profiles, .quad, .qidf or .txt is for QTR curves/profiles. There aren't any H Photo Rag curves in the QTR download. I would think you'd do pretty well with the Entrada or Premier Fine Art profiles. You must use some curve otherwise the output will be very dark. Roy On Tuesday, May 9, 2006, at 09:46 AM, joachim oppenheimer wrote: > I purchased a profile for the 2000 Hahnemule fotorag from Inkjetlab in > Vermont for $25.00 - Joachim > > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:52 AM > To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com > Cc: koloshor@... > Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles > > Thanks for your response. > > I am using the Epson 2200. I checked last night, and I still could not > find the profiles for the Hahnemuhle papers. > > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: koloshor <koloshor@...> > To: Quadtone > [joachim oppenheimer] RIP@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tue, 9 May 2006 15:43:38 -0000 > Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "scribedc" <ifotogu@...> wrote: > > > > I am trying to print on Hahnemuhle with the Quadtone RIP. I am > getting > > very dark results. > > > > There does not appear to be a specific profile for the paper. I was > > wondering what others are using for the profile. > > > > I have tried with Entrada and Epson profiles. Other suggestions? > > Robert and Steve, > > Not all papers are profiled for all printers or inks. I'm betting > Steve is using something common, like a 2200, where dang near every > paper out there is profiled. > > Robert, what printer are you using? > - Roy Harrington roy@... Black & White Photo Gallery http://www.harrington.com
2006-05-09 by Tom Moore
Ifotogu and Joachim
The profiles from Inkjet Mall in Vermont (which is what I think you are
referencing) are not for use with QTR. They are used for regular colour
printing. They should be installed in the regular Windows or Mac folder for
ICC printer profiles. The files used for B&W printing with QTR are more
correctly called Curves. Although they perform a similar function to ICC
profiles (like those from Inkjet Mall), they are quite different in their
details and not interchangeable.
Unfortunately, many people (myself included) refer to Curves as profiles
(which they are in a general sense, but just not ICC Profiles). That leads
to some confusion.
There are no Curves for HPR and UC ink in the current QTR distribution (that
I can find). Most HPR users seem to use one of the B&W specialty inks.
If you have tried the Epson Enhanced Matte Curve and are not happy with
that, you could try using that Curve again (with Matte ink) and adjusting
the Gamma or Shadow settings. Gamma changes have a dramatic effect so only
small changes will be required. You will have to experiment. Shadow is not
so sensitive. In both cases larger numbers mean lighter prints, if I recall
correctly.
A more complex approach would be to create an ICC profile for the profile
you decide to use using the QTR_Create_ICC utility that comes with QTR. That
requires a densitometer or scanner. Paul Roark has a web page describing how
to do this with a flatbed scanner. It's here:
http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/Making_B-W_ICCs.htm
Finally, of course, you could create a curve yourself and then share it with
the community.
Tom Moore
_____ From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of ifotogu@...
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 12:50 PM
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
Thanks for the info...
How does it work? I guess you just install this with the other profiles in
the QTR? -- Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: joachim oppenheimer <joachim2@...>
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 9 May 2006 12:46:27 -0400
Subject: RE: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
I purchased a profile for the 2000 Hahnemule fotorag from Inkjetlab in
Vermont for $25.00 - Joachim
[joachim oppenheimer] From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ifotogu@...
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:52 AM
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Cc: koloshor@...
Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
Thanks for your response.
I am using the Epson 2200. I checked last night, and I still could not find
the profiles for the Hahnemuhle papers.
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: koloshor <koloshor@...>
To: Quadtone
[joachim oppenheimer] RIP@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 9 May 2006 15:43:38 -0000
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
<javascript:parent.ComposeTo('QuadtoneRIP%40yahoogroups.com');> , "scribedc"
<ifotogu@...> wrote:
>
> I am trying to print on Hahnemuhle with the Quadtone RIP. I am getting
> very dark results.
>
> There does not appear to be a specific profile for the paper. I was
> wondering what others are using for the profile.
>
> I have tried with Entrada and Epson profiles. Other suggestions?
Robert and Steve,
Not all papers are profiled for all printers or inks. I'm betting
Steve is using something common, like a 2200, where dang near every
paper out there is profiled.
Robert, what printer are you using?
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-----Original Message-----Profiles that you get from other sources are most likely color ICC
From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Roy Harrington
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:19 PM
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
profiles for
the Epson driver unless they are explicitly labeled as either QTR ICC
profiles
made with the QTR-Create-ICC utility or as the QTR curves/profiles for
the
QTR driver. These curves/profiles are what you would most like want.
You can usually tell by the extension -- .icc or icm is for ICC
profiles,
.quad, .qidf or .txt is for QTR curves/profiles.
There aren't any H Photo Rag curves in the QTR download. I would think
you'd
do pretty well with the Entrada or Premier Fine Art profiles. You must
use some
curve otherwise the output will be very dark.
Roy
On Tuesday, May 9, 2006, at 09:46 AM, joachim oppenheimer wrote:
> I purchased a profile for the 2000 Hahnemule fotorag from Inkjetlab in
> Vermont for $25.00 - Joachim
>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:52 AM
> To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: koloshor@...
> Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
>
> Thanks for your response.
>
> I am using the Epson 2200. I checked last night, and I still could not
> find the profiles for the Hahnemuhle papers.
>
> Robert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: koloshor
> To: Quadtone
> [joachim oppenheimer] RIP@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, 9 May 2006 15:43:38 -0000
> Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "scribedc" wrote:
> >
> > I am trying to print on Hahnemuhle with the Quadtone RIP. I am
> getting
> > very dark results.
> >
> > There does not appear to be a specific profile for the paper. I was
> > wondering what others are using for the profile.
> >
> > I have tried with Entrada and Epson profiles. Other suggestions?
>
> Robert and Steve,
>
> Not all papers are profiled for all printers or inks. I'm betting
> Steve is using something common, like a 2200, where dang near every
> paper out there is profiled.
>
> Robert, what printer are you using?
>
-
Roy Harrington
roy@...
Black & White Photo Gallery
http://www.harrington.com
2006-05-09 by joachim oppenheimer
Thank you for your helpful critique. Nonetheless, confusion still reigns at my computer after almost 40 years of darkroom B/W printing. I obtained the HANptorag printer profile from Inkjetmall in Vermont, installed it, used the Epson 2200 and under paper type picked Enhanced matte. It's my first dry B/W and the result was (not spectacular) surprisingly good. Did I accidentally do something right? I certainly appreciate your generous gift of your time. Joachim
-----Original Message-----
From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Tom Moore
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:38 PM
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
Ifotogu and Joachim
The profiles from Inkjet Mall in Vermont (which is what I think you are
referencing) are not for use with QTR. They are used for regular colour
printing. They should be installed in the regular Windows or Mac folder for
ICC printer profiles. The files used for B&W printing with QTR are more
correctly called Curves. Although they perform a similar function to ICC
profiles (like those from Inkjet Mall), they are quite different in their
details and not interchangeable.
Unfortunately, many people (myself included) refer to Curves as profiles
(which they are in a general sense, but just not ICC Profiles). That leads
to some confusion.
There are no Curves for HPR and UC ink in the current QTR distribution
(that I can find). Most HPR users seem to use one of the B&W specialty inks.
If you have tried the Epson Enhanced Matte Curve and are not happy with
that, you could try using that Curve again (with Matte ink) and adjusting
the Gamma or Shadow settings. Gamma changes have a dramatic effect so only
small changes will be required. You will have to experiment. Shadow is not
so sensitive. In both cases larger numbers mean lighter prints, if I recall
correctly.
A more complex approach would be to create an ICC profile for the profile
you decide to use using the QTR_Create_ICC utility that comes with QTR. That
requires a densitometer or scanner. Paul Roark has a web page describing how
to do this with a flatbed scanner. It's here:
http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/Making_B-W_ICCs.htm
Finally, of course, you could create a curve yourself and then share it
with the community.
Tom Moore
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From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of ifotogu@...
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 12:50 PM
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
Thanks for the info...
How does it work? I guess you just install this with the other profiles in
the QTR? -- Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: joachim oppenheimer <joachim2@...>
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 9 May 2006 12:46:27 -0400
Subject: RE: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
I purchased a profile for the 2000 Hahnemule fotorag from Inkjetlab in
Vermont for $25.00 - Joachim
[joachim oppenheimer] From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ifotogu@...
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:52 AM
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Cc: koloshor@...
Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
Thanks for your response.
I am using the Epson 2200. I checked last night, and I still could not
find the profiles for the Hahnemuhle papers.
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: koloshor <koloshor@...>
To: Quadtone
[joachim oppenheimer] RIP@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 9 May 2006 15:43:38 -0000
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "scribedc" <ifotogu@...> wrote:
>
> I am trying to print on Hahnemuhle with the Quadtone RIP. I am getting
> very dark results.
>
> There does not appear to be a specific profile for the paper. I was
> wondering what others are using for the profile.
>
> I have tried with Entrada and Epson profiles. Other suggestions?
Robert and Steve,
Not all papers are profiled for all printers or inks. I'm betting
Steve is using something common, like a 2200, where dang near every
paper out there is profiled.
Robert, what printer are you using?
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Joachim, When you used this profile, did you print through the QTR rip? Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: joachim oppenheimer <joachim2@optonline.net>
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 9 May 2006 17:30:27 -0400
Subject: RE: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
Thank you for your helpful critique. Nonetheless, confusion still reigns at my computer after almost 40 years of darkroom B/W printing. I obtained the HANptorag printer profile from Inkjetmall in Vermont, installed it, used the Epson 2200 and under paper type picked Enhanced matte. It's my first dry B/W and the result was (not spectacular) surprisingly good. Did I accidentally do something right? I certainly appreciate your generous gift of your time. Joachim
-----Original Message-----
From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Tom Moore
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:38 PM
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
Ifotogu and Joachim
The profiles from Inkjet Mall in Vermont (which is what I think you are referencing) are not for use with QTR. They are used for regular colour printing. They should be installed in the regular Windows or Mac folder for ICC printer profiles. The files used for B&W printing with QTR are more correctly called Curves. Although they perform a similar function to ICC profiles (like those from Inkjet Mall), they are quite different in their details and not interchangeable.
Unfortunately, many people (myself included) refer to Curves as profiles (which they are in a general sense, but just not ICC Profiles). That leads to some confusion.
There are no Curves for HPR and UC ink in the current QTR distribution (that I can find). Most HPR users seem to use one of the B&W specialty inks.
If you have tried the Epson Enhanced Matte Curve and are not happy with that, you could try using that Curve again (with Matte ink) and adjusting the Gamma or Shadow settings. Gamma changes have a dramatic effect so only small changes will be required. You will have to experiment. Shadow is not so sensitive. In both cases larger numbers mean lighter prints, if I recall correctly.
A more complex approach would be to create an ICC profile for the profile you decide to use using the QTR_Create_ICC utility that comes with QTR. That requires a densitometer or scanner. Paul Roark has a web page describing how to do this with a flatbed scanner. It’s here:
http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/Making_B-W_ICCs.htm
Finally, of course, you could create a curve yourself and then share it with the community.
Tom Moore
From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ifotogu@...
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 12:50 PM
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
Thanks for the info...
How does it work? I guess you just install this with the other profiles in the QTR? -- Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: joachim oppenheimer <joachim2@optonline.net>
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 9 May 2006 12:46:27 -0400
Subject: RE: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
I purchased a profile for the 2000 Hahnemule fotorag from Inkjetlab in Vermont for $25.00 - Joachim
[joachim oppenheimer] From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ifotogu@...
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:52 AM
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Cc: koloshor@...
Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
Thanks for your response.
I am using the Epson 2200. I checked last night, and I still could not find the profiles for the Hahnemuhle papers.
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: koloshor <koloshor@...>
To: Quadtone
[joachim oppenheimer] RIP@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 9 May 2006 15:43:38 -0000
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "scribedc" <ifotogu@...> wrote:
>
> I am trying to print on Hahnemuhle with the Quadtone RIP. I am getting
> very dark results.
>
> There does not appear to be a specific profile for the paper. I was
> wondering what others are using for the profile.
>
> I have tried with Entrada and Epson profiles. Other suggestions?
Robert and Steve,
Not all papers are profiled for all printers or inks. I'm betting
Steve is using something common, like a 2200, where dang near every
paper out there is profiled.
Robert, what printer are you using?
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I had the profile entered in the 2200 - EP2200EPptoBK_HANptoRag - in the printer profile. Under paper type, I selected I selected enhanced matte Paper as this was the closest I saw to the matte I wanted. I am not sure that what I did was on firm ground - any thoughts? Joachim
-----Original Message-----
From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ifotogu@...
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 6:05 PM
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
Joachim,
When you used this profile, did you print through the QTR rip?
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: joachim oppenheimer <joachim2@...>
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 9 May 2006 17:30:27 -0400
Subject: RE: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
Thank you for your helpful critique. Nonetheless, confusion still reigns at my computer after almost 40 years of darkroom B/W printing. I obtained the HANptorag printer profile from Inkjetmall in Vermont, installed it, used the Epson 2200 and under paper type picked Enhanced matte. It's my first dry B/W and the result was (not spectacular) surprisingly good. Did I accidentally do something right? I certainly appreciate your generous gift of your time. Joachim
-----Original Message-----
From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Tom Moore
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:38 PM
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
Ifotogu and Joachim
The profiles from Inkjet Mall in Vermont (which is what I think you are referencing) are not for use with QTR. They are used for regular colour printing. They should be installed in the regular Windows or Mac folder for ICC printer profiles. The files used for B&W printing with QTR are more correctly called Curves. Although they perform a similar function to ICC profiles (like those from Inkjet Mall), they are quite different in their details and not interchangeable.
Unfortunately, many people (myself included) refer to Curves as profiles (which they are in a general sense, but just not ICC Profiles). That leads to some confusion.
There are no Curves for HPR and UC ink in the current QTR distribution (that I can find). Most HPR users seem to use one of the B&W specialty inks.
If you have tried the Epson Enhanced Matte Curve and are not happy with that, you could try using that Curve again (with Matte ink) and adjusting the Gamma or Shadow settings. Gamma changes have a dramatic effect so only small changes will be required. You will have to experiment. Shadow is not so sensitive. In both cases larger numbers mean lighter prints, if I recall correctly.
A more complex approach would be to create an ICC profile for the profile you decide to use using the QTR_Create_ICC utility that comes with QTR. That requires a densitometer or scanner. Paul Roark has a web page describing how to do this with a flatbed scanner. It’s here:
http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/Making_B-W_ICCs.htm
Finally, of course, you could create a curve yourself and then share it with the community.
Tom Moore
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From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ifotogu@...
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 12:50 PM
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
Thanks for the info...
How does it work? I guess you just install this with the other profiles in the QTR? -- Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: joachim oppenheimer <joachim2@...>
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 9 May 2006 12:46:27 -0400
Subject: RE: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
I purchased a profile for the 2000 Hahnemule fotorag from Inkjetlab in Vermont for $25.00 - Joachim
[joachim oppenheimer] From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ifotogu@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:52 AM
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Cc: koloshor@...
Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
Thanks for your response.
I am using the Epson 2200. I checked last night, and I still could not find the profiles for the Hahnemuhle papers.
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: koloshor <koloshor@...>
To: Quadtone
[joachim oppenheimer] RIP@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 9 May 2006 15:43:38 -0000
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "scribedc" <ifotogu@...> wrote:
>
> I am trying to print on Hahnemuhle with the Quadtone RIP. I am getting
> very dark results.
>
> There does not appear to be a specific profile for the paper. I was
> wondering what others are using for the profile.
>
> I have tried with Entrada and Epson profiles. Other suggestions?
Robert and Steve,
Not all papers are profiled for all printers or inks. I'm betting
Steve is using something common, like a 2200, where dang near every
paper out there is profiled.
Robert, what printer are you using?
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On thinking a bit further, I guess I did not use the QTR rip but the Epson - sorry. Joachim
-----Original Message-----
From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ifotogu@...
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 6:05 PM
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
Joachim,
When you used this profile, did you print through the QTR rip?
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: joachim oppenheimer <joachim2@...>
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 9 May 2006 17:30:27 -0400
Subject: RE: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
Thank you for your helpful critique. Nonetheless, confusion still reigns at my computer after almost 40 years of darkroom B/W printing. I obtained the HANptorag printer profile from Inkjetmall in Vermont, installed it, used the Epson 2200 and under paper type picked Enhanced matte. It's my first dry B/W and the result was (not spectacular) surprisingly good. Did I accidentally do something right? I certainly appreciate your generous gift of your time. Joachim
-----Original Message-----
From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Tom Moore
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:38 PM
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
Ifotogu and Joachim
The profiles from Inkjet Mall in Vermont (which is what I think you are referencing) are not for use with QTR. They are used for regular colour printing. They should be installed in the regular Windows or Mac folder for ICC printer profiles. The files used for B&W printing with QTR are more correctly called Curves. Although they perform a similar function to ICC profiles (like those from Inkjet Mall), they are quite different in their details and not interchangeable.
Unfortunately, many people (myself included) refer to Curves as profiles (which they are in a general sense, but just not ICC Profiles). That leads to some confusion.
There are no Curves for HPR and UC ink in the current QTR distribution (that I can find). Most HPR users seem to use one of the B&W specialty inks.
If you have tried the Epson Enhanced Matte Curve and are not happy with that, you could try using that Curve again (with Matte ink) and adjusting the Gamma or Shadow settings. Gamma changes have a dramatic effect so only small changes will be required. You will have to experiment. Shadow is not so sensitive. In both cases larger numbers mean lighter prints, if I recall correctly.
A more complex approach would be to create an ICC profile for the profile you decide to use using the QTR_Create_ICC utility that comes with QTR. That requires a densitometer or scanner. Paul Roark has a web page describing how to do this with a flatbed scanner. It’s here:
http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/Making_B-W_ICCs.htm
Finally, of course, you could create a curve yourself and then share it with the community.
Tom Moore
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ifotogu@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 12:50 PM
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
Thanks for the info...
How does it work? I guess you just install this with the other profiles in the QTR? -- Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: joachim oppenheimer <joachim2@...>
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 9 May 2006 12:46:27 -0400
Subject: RE: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
I purchased a profile for the 2000 Hahnemule fotorag from Inkjetlab in Vermont for $25.00 - Joachim
[joachim oppenheimer] From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ifotogu@...
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:52 AM
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Cc: koloshor@...
Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
Thanks for your response.
I am using the Epson 2200. I checked last night, and I still could not find the profiles for the Hahnemuhle papers.
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: koloshor <koloshor@...>
To: Quadtone
[joachim oppenheimer] RIP@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 9 May 2006 15:43:38 -0000
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemuhle profiles
--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "scribedc" <ifotogu@...> wrote:
>
> I am trying to print on Hahnemuhle with the Quadtone RIP. I am getting
> very dark results.
>
> There does not appear to be a specific profile for the paper. I was
> wondering what others are using for the profile.
>
> I have tried with Entrada and Epson profiles. Other suggestions?
Robert and Steve,
Not all papers are profiled for all printers or inks. I'm betting
Steve is using something common, like a 2200, where dang near every
paper out there is profiled.
Robert, what printer are you using?
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