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Printing Centering Problem

Printing Centering Problem

2006-10-26 by crazy4blacknwhite

Dear fellow photographers,
In one out of 3 prints I make, I have a problem trying to center them, particularly when 
they are oriented for Landscape. It's not just slightly off centered, it prints completely to 
one side, to the edge of the paper. The images are always sized to fit within the paper 
(Tabloid), with enough space for margins as well. Sometimes it works and sometimes it 
doesn't. I have wasted a lot of paper and ink trying to narrow down the problem, but I still 
can't work it out.

My setup is:
Mac OS X latest.
Aperture for organization.
Printing & editing with Photoshop CS2
Printer (new): Epson R1800.
Page Setup: Format for: QuadToneRIP (2.4.3) Epson R1800
Paper: Hahnemuhle Photo Rag Bright White (11x17).
Ink: Neutral K7
Paper Size set up: 'Tabloid'.
Position: 'Center Images' checked.

I cannot figure out why sometimes it prints centered and straight forward, and there are 
times when it prints completely to one side, starting from the edge of the paper. I tried 
using Customized paper size setting (11X17) instead of using 'Tabloid', using both options 
for Landscape orientation, tried sizing the image to fit, in 'Image Size' in Photoshop, and in 
'Scaled Print Size' in the Printer With Preview Panel.

I have tried everything I know how, and still I cannot rectify the problem. Please, can 
someone help? and find a solution for me.
Looking forward to your reply.

Lionel

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Printing Centering Problem

2006-10-27 by Roy Harrington

Hi Lionel,

Are you sure you have the same settings each time?  It's pretty unusual 
for
you to get different results with the same settings.   Your mention of 
it
happening more in landscape vs portrait is suspicious since that is 
entirely
handled in OS X before QTR sees the page.

There was a fix for the R1800 in version 2.4.3 so it is important that 
you use that
version rather than 2.4.2.   The R1800 is particular picky about the 
Paper Feed
slot you use.  If you use the single sheet slot in the back its very 
important that
Paper Feed has Manual Roll (Rear) selected.   If you have been using the
standard sheet feed maybe its having trouble with the heavy Photo Rag  
-- try
the Manual Roll slot.

I think its good with OSX to always print using Print with Preview.  
Use Page Setup
from here so you get a view of the image on the page -- take notice of 
the 1/8
margin all around the edge.  If it's uneven you might have a Format for 
Any Printer.
In the Print dialog use separate Presets for all your standard setups.  
Any custom selections
are always lost on the next Print command.   (Feed is a very easy one 
to miss).

Hope that helps.
Roy


On Thursday, October 26, 2006, at 03:51  AM, crazy4blacknwhite wrote:

> Dear fellow photographers,
> In one out of 3 prints I make, I have a problem trying to center them, 
> particularly when
> they are oriented for Landscape. It's not just slightly off centered, 
> it prints completely to
> one side, to the edge of the paper. The images are always sized to fit 
> within the paper
> (Tabloid), with enough space for margins as well. Sometimes it works 
> and sometimes it
> doesn't. I have wasted a lot of paper and ink trying to narrow down 
> the problem, but I still
> can't work it out.
>
> My setup is:
> Mac OS X latest.
> Aperture for organization.
> Printing & editing with Photoshop CS2
> Printer (new): Epson R1800.
> Page Setup: Format for: QuadToneRIP (2.4.3) Epson R1800
> Paper: Hahnemuhle Photo Rag Bright White (11x17).
> Ink: Neutral K7
> Paper Size set up: 'Tabloid'.
> Position: 'Center Images' checked.
>
> I cannot figure out why sometimes it prints centered and straight 
> forward, and there are
> times when it prints completely to one side, starting from the edge of 
> the paper. I tried
> using Customized paper size setting (11X17) instead of using 
> 'Tabloid', using both options
> for Landscape orientation, tried sizing the image to fit, in 'Image 
> Size' in Photoshop, and in
> 'Scaled Print Size' in the Printer With Preview Panel.
>
> I have tried everything I know how, and still I cannot rectify the 
> problem. Please, can
> someone help? and find a solution for me.
> Looking forward to your reply.
>
> Lionel
>
>
-
Roy Harrington
roy@...
Black & White Photo Gallery
http://www.harrington.com

Re: Printing Centering Problem

2006-10-30 by crazy4blacknwhite

Hi Roy,
Thank you very much for the detailed reply. 
You are right, it's not just the Landscapes, the problem affects the Potraits as well.
I now have down loaded the latest version 2.4.3
The problem happens only when I feed Manual Roll (Rear) from the back, a sheet at a time.
Has anyone ever encountered this before?
I have since started to use standard sheet feed, and I don't have the problem anymore.
Yes, the 310gm paper seems a bit thick to do it this way.
I have not try the Manual Roll slot, is that the same as Manual Roll (Rear)?

Another question:
Is the CIS system for the R1800 easy and good to use?
I used to have a CIS system set up for my Epson 1290, a little trickly to set up, but once 
it's up, it works well. Is that what I should expect?

Thank you & looking forward to hearing from you.
Best regards
Lionel



--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@...> wrote:
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>
> Hi Lionel,
> 
> Are you sure you have the same settings each time?  It's pretty unusual 
> for
> you to get different results with the same settings.   Your mention of 
> it
> happening more in landscape vs portrait is suspicious since that is 
> entirely
> handled in OS X before QTR sees the page.
> 
> There was a fix for the R1800 in version 2.4.3 so it is important that 
> you use that
> version rather than 2.4.2.   The R1800 is particular picky about the 
> Paper Feed
> slot you use.  If you use the single sheet slot in the back its very 
> important that
> Paper Feed has Manual Roll (Rear) selected.   If you have been using the
> standard sheet feed maybe its having trouble with the heavy Photo Rag  
> -- try
> the Manual Roll slot.
> 
> I think its good with OSX to always print using Print with Preview.  
> Use Page Setup
> from here so you get a view of the image on the page -- take notice of 
> the 1/8
> margin all around the edge.  If it's uneven you might have a Format for 
> Any Printer.
> In the Print dialog use separate Presets for all your standard setups.  
> Any custom selections
> are always lost on the next Print command.   (Feed is a very easy one 
> to miss).
> 
> Hope that helps.
> Roy
> 
> 
> On Thursday, October 26, 2006, at 03:51  AM, crazy4blacknwhite wrote:
> 
> > Dear fellow photographers,
> > In one out of 3 prints I make, I have a problem trying to center them, 
> > particularly when
> > they are oriented for Landscape. It's not just slightly off centered, 
> > it prints completely to
> > one side, to the edge of the paper. The images are always sized to fit 
> > within the paper
> > (Tabloid), with enough space for margins as well. Sometimes it works 
> > and sometimes it
> > doesn't. I have wasted a lot of paper and ink trying to narrow down 
> > the problem, but I still
> > can't work it out.
> >
> > My setup is:
> > Mac OS X latest.
> > Aperture for organization.
> > Printing & editing with Photoshop CS2
> > Printer (new): Epson R1800.
> > Page Setup: Format for: QuadToneRIP (2.4.3) Epson R1800
> > Paper: Hahnemuhle Photo Rag Bright White (11x17).
> > Ink: Neutral K7
> > Paper Size set up: 'Tabloid'.
> > Position: 'Center Images' checked.
> >
> > I cannot figure out why sometimes it prints centered and straight 
> > forward, and there are
> > times when it prints completely to one side, starting from the edge of 
> > the paper. I tried
> > using Customized paper size setting (11X17) instead of using 
> > 'Tabloid', using both options
> > for Landscape orientation, tried sizing the image to fit, in 'Image 
> > Size' in Photoshop, and in
> > 'Scaled Print Size' in the Printer With Preview Panel.
> >
> > I have tried everything I know how, and still I cannot rectify the 
> > problem. Please, can
> > someone help? and find a solution for me.
> > Looking forward to your reply.
> >
> > Lionel
> >
> >
> -
> Roy Harrington
> roy@...
> Black & White Photo Gallery
> http://www.harrington.com
>

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Printing Centering Problem

2006-10-30 by Roy Harrington

Hi Lionel,

There's just one Manual Roll slot -- you use the extra loading 
attachment on the back
of the printer. (It may also be possible to load paper from the front 
but the result and
usage is the same).   Anyway there was a known problem with using this 
on the R1800 with
previous versions.   I'm pretty sure it's fine with 2.4.3 but I don't 
have a printer and didn't
test 11x17 paper when I borrowed one for testing.

I don't have any experience with CIS on the newer printers.   I think 
reloading carts has
become much easier than before so more people do that now.

Roy

On Monday, October 30, 2006, at 04:46  AM, crazy4blacknwhite wrote:

> Hi Roy,
> Thank you very much for the detailed reply.
> You are right, it's not just the Landscapes, the problem affects the 
> Potraits as well.
> I now have down loaded the latest version 2.4.3
> The problem happens only when I feed Manual Roll (Rear) from the back, 
> a sheet at a time.
> Has anyone ever encountered this before?
> I have since started to use standard sheet feed, and I don't have the 
> problem anymore.
> Yes, the 310gm paper seems a bit thick to do it this way.
> I have not try the Manual Roll slot, is that the same as Manual Roll 
> (Rear)?
>
> Another question:
> Is the CIS system for the R1800 easy and good to use?
> I used to have a CIS system set up for my Epson 1290, a little trickly 
> to set up, but once
> it's up, it works well. Is that what I should expect?
>
> Thank you & looking forward to hearing from you.
> Best regards
> Lionel
>
>
>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Lionel,
>>
>> Are you sure you have the same settings each time?  It's pretty 
>> unusual
>> for
>> you to get different results with the same settings.   Your mention of
>> it
>> happening more in landscape vs portrait is suspicious since that is
>> entirely
>> handled in OS X before QTR sees the page.
>>
>> There was a fix for the R1800 in version 2.4.3 so it is important that
>> you use that
>> version rather than 2.4.2.   The R1800 is particular picky about the
>> Paper Feed
>> slot you use.  If you use the single sheet slot in the back its very
>> important that
>> Paper Feed has Manual Roll (Rear) selected.   If you have been using 
>> the
>> standard sheet feed maybe its having trouble with the heavy Photo Rag
>> -- try
>> the Manual Roll slot.
>>
>> I think its good with OSX to always print using Print with Preview.
>> Use Page Setup
>> from here so you get a view of the image on the page -- take notice of
>> the 1/8
>> margin all around the edge.  If it's uneven you might have a Format 
>> for
>> Any Printer.
>> In the Print dialog use separate Presets for all your standard setups.
>> Any custom selections
>> are always lost on the next Print command.   (Feed is a very easy one
>> to miss).
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>> Roy
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 26, 2006, at 03:51  AM, crazy4blacknwhite wrote:
>>
>>> Dear fellow photographers,
>>> In one out of 3 prints I make, I have a problem trying to center 
>>> them,
>>> particularly when
>>> they are oriented for Landscape. It's not just slightly off centered,
>>> it prints completely to
>>> one side, to the edge of the paper. The images are always sized to 
>>> fit
>>> within the paper
>>> (Tabloid), with enough space for margins as well. Sometimes it works
>>> and sometimes it
>>> doesn't. I have wasted a lot of paper and ink trying to narrow down
>>> the problem, but I still
>>> can't work it out.
>>>
>>> My setup is:
>>> Mac OS X latest.
>>> Aperture for organization.
>>> Printing & editing with Photoshop CS2
>>> Printer (new): Epson R1800.
>>> Page Setup: Format for: QuadToneRIP (2.4.3) Epson R1800
>>> Paper: Hahnemuhle Photo Rag Bright White (11x17).
>>> Ink: Neutral K7
>>> Paper Size set up: 'Tabloid'.
>>> Position: 'Center Images' checked.
>>>
>>> I cannot figure out why sometimes it prints centered and straight
>>> forward, and there are
>>> times when it prints completely to one side, starting from the edge 
>>> of
>>> the paper. I tried
>>> using Customized paper size setting (11X17) instead of using
>>> 'Tabloid', using both options
>>> for Landscape orientation, tried sizing the image to fit, in 'Image
>>> Size' in Photoshop, and in
>>> 'Scaled Print Size' in the Printer With Preview Panel.
>>>
>>> I have tried everything I know how, and still I cannot rectify the
>>> problem. Please, can
>>> someone help? and find a solution for me.
>>> Looking forward to your reply.
>>>
>>> Lionel
>>>
>>>
>> -
>> Roy Harrington
>> roy@...
>> Black & White Photo Gallery
>> http://www.harrington.com
>>
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