QTR-Quadtone RIP

Hi, I just got a new 4800.I haven't even loaded any ink into it yet.I've 
been printing on an old 1160 in BO mode with Eboni on HPR 308 with
great results using the 1160 epson driver.Now that I have this 4800
I'm not quite sure where to start.If I load the stock K3 carts with
Mk, and want to continue with HPR 308, how would the results be with
QTR compared to using epsons ABW mode, or even the Image Print RIP
(which I can't afford right now)Down the road if I switch to Cone's
K7, I know QTR is what I'll want to use from what I've read, but again
I'm a little confused where to start software wise with these K3
inks.Thanks ahead for any advice.

Chris S

In a message dated 3/31/2007 3:53:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
flyflightdeck@... writes:

Hi, I  just got a new 4800.I haven't even loaded any ink into it yet.I've 
been  printing on an old 1160 in BO mode with Eboni on HPR 308 with
great results  using the 1160 epson driver.Now that I have this 4800
I'm not quite sure  where to start.If I load the stock K3 carts with
Mk, and want to continue  with HPR 308, how would the results be with
QTR compared to using epsons  ABW mode, or even the Image Print RIP
(which I can't afford right now)Down  the road if I switch to Cone's
K7, I know QTR is what I'll want to use from  what I've read, but again
I'm a little confused where to start software  wise with these K3
inks.Thanks ahead for any advice.

Chris  S




Chris, what do you want to produce with the 4800. Give us an idea of what  it 
is you will be trying to print. What kind of images will you be printing in  
B/W and what kind in color? Not knowing your needs makes it difficult to 
suggest  strategies. I run 2 4800's and 3 4000's to get what I'm looking for in B/W 
and  color.
 
Richard (Brooklyn)



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Ok thanks for the quick reply!No color, just b&w 4x5 and 8x10 drum
scans, and a few Canon converted 20d captures.I'd like to print the
neg scans 16x20 on HPR 308.Here are several links of the work I'd like
to print.

Chris

http://www.pbase.com/cloudswimmer/image/73873082/original
http://www.pbase.com/cloudswimmer/image/65231444/original
http://www.pbase.com/cloudswimmer/image/74069131/original
http://www.pbase.com/cloudswimmer/image/74611023/original
http://www.pbase.com/cloudswimmer/image/76036890/original
http://www.pbase.com/cloudswimmer/image/76225078/original

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, CorrPro96@... wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 3/31/2007 3:53:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
> flyflightdeck@... writes:
> 
> Hi, I  just got a new 4800.I haven't even loaded any ink into it
yet.I've 
> been  printing on an old 1160 in BO mode with Eboni on HPR 308 with
> great results  using the 1160 epson driver.Now that I have this 4800
> I'm not quite sure  where to start.If I load the stock K3 carts with
> Mk, and want to continue  with HPR 308, how would the results be with
> QTR compared to using epsons  ABW mode, or even the Image Print RIP
> (which I can't afford right now)Down  the road if I switch to Cone's
> K7, I know QTR is what I'll want to use from  what I've read, but again
> I'm a little confused where to start software  wise with these K3
> inks.Thanks ahead for any advice.
> 
> Chris  S
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Chris, what do you want to produce with the 4800. Give us an idea of
what  it 
> is you will be trying to print. What kind of images will you be
printing in  
> B/W and what kind in color? Not knowing your needs makes it
difficult to 
> suggest  strategies. I run 2 4800's and 3 4000's to get what I'm
looking for in B/W 
> and  color.
>  
> Richard (Brooklyn)
> 
> 
> 
> ************************************** See what's free at
http://www.aol.com.

> 
> 
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>

In a message dated 3/31/2007 5:13:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
flyflightdeck@... writes:

Ok  thanks for the quick reply!No color, just b&w 4x5 and 8x10 drum
scans,  and a few Canon converted 20d captures.I'd like to print the
neg scans  16x20 on HPR 308.Here are several links of the work I'd like
to  print.

Chris



Really nice images. 
No contest. 
PiezoTone or one of the K7 combinations. For my taste, it would be a Split  
Tone K 7.
Jon is working on a PK inkset that will print on Silver Rag as well, but  you 
can always do as I did and pick up a 4000 for around 5 hundred to play with  
different inksets.
I am using a Selenium / Sepia / Neutral set that I think would work nicely  
for your images. My next move is to go to bottles of Cone's inks using funnel  
fill carts to play with toning in each ink position. Your taste will lead you 
to  just what "color" of black in the 1/4 and 3/4 tones you prefer.
HTH
 
Richard (Brooklyn)



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Thanks Richard.Cone did send me some output samples on HPR 308.One
with NK7, the other sepia.Really nice samples.West Coast imaging sent
me three K3 samples printed with their custom profiles, one each on
HPR, Epson Luster, and Silver Rag.All very nice as well.I don't have
room for both the 4800 and a 4000, so the 4800 is it.I kinda wanted to
play with the K3 inks first, since I have a whole set, before trying
Cone's or MIS.So I was wondering if QTR would be the way to start with K3


>
>  
> In a message dated 3/31/2007 5:13:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
> flyflightdeck@... writes:
> 
> Ok  thanks for the quick reply!No color, just b&w 4x5 and 8x10 drum
> scans,  and a few Canon converted 20d captures.I'd like to print the
> neg scans  16x20 on HPR 308.Here are several links of the work I'd like
> to  print.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> Really nice images. 
> No contest. 
> PiezoTone or one of the K7 combinations. For my taste, it would be a
Split  
> Tone K 7.
> Jon is working on a PK inkset that will print on Silver Rag as well,
but  you 
> can always do as I did and pick up a 4000 for around 5 hundred to
play with  
> different inksets.
> I am using a Selenium / Sepia / Neutral set that I think would work
nicely  
> for your images. My next move is to go to bottles of Cone's inks
using funnel  
> fill carts to play with toning in each ink position. Your taste will
lead you 
> to  just what "color" of black in the 1/4 and 3/4 tones you prefer.
> HTH
>  
> Richard (Brooklyn)
> 
> 
> 
> ************************************** See what's free at
http://www.aol.com.

> 
> 
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>

In a message dated 3/31/2007 6:49:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
flyflightdeck@... writes:

.I kinda  wanted to
play with the K3 inks first, since I have a whole set, before  trying
Cone's or MIS.So I was wondering if QTR would be the way to start  with K3





If you will be selling prints.... don't go with K3 inkset. You will be  
blending in color inks to get tones, and Yellow in particular fades faster than  
anything. ABW is no match for PiezoTone (IMHO). Sell off the OEM inks and print  
those beautiful florals in a toned inkset... not NK 7.
 
Richard (Brooklyn)



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Should I get the funnel fill carts like those sold at MIS and fill
with K7, or would you recommend starting off with pre-filled
carts?Thanks again!

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, CorrPro96@... wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 3/31/2007 6:49:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
> flyflightdeck@... writes:
> 
> .I kinda  wanted to
> play with the K3 inks first, since I have a whole set, before  trying
> Cone's or MIS.So I was wondering if QTR would be the way to start 
with K3
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> If you will be selling prints.... don't go with K3 inkset. You will be  
> blending in color inks to get tones, and Yellow in particular fades
faster than  
> anything. ABW is no match for PiezoTone (IMHO). Sell off the OEM
inks and print  
> those beautiful florals in a toned inkset... not NK 7.
>  
> Richard (Brooklyn)
> 
> 
> 
> ************************************** See what's free at
http://www.aol.com.

> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

In a message dated 3/31/2007 8:29:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
flyflightdeck@... writes:

Should I  get the funnel fill carts like those sold at MIS and fill
with K7, or would  you recommend starting off with pre-filled
carts?Thanks  again!



I would suggest you start with the Split K 7 set and adjust carts or inks  
from there. Your images ask for warm black tones rather than the cool tone of NK 
 7, even on HanPhR. Your choices rught now are Selenium, Sepia and warm 
blacks.  You can check with Jon Cone to see when his Carbon Sepia inks will be 
ready.  After you see the prints from the Split K 7 inks, you can get funnel fill 
carts  and order bottles from IJM of the tones you think will work best. Email 
Jon  at IJM and get his input on how best to achieve the feel you are 
seeking. The  heavy hitters print with the numbers, ink limiting and etc. I print 
with my  emotions, and the hell with the numbers. That's why I run so damned many 
 printers (9). Sometimes I make a print with 2 nozzles clogged and I love it. 
As  the French say: "to each his own." Just keep your sanity and have fun.
 
Richard (Brooklyn)



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> I would suggest you start with the Split K 7 set and adjust carts or 
inks  
> from there.

If it's not off topic, I don't really understand how to produce split 
tone set ups:  what tone where, what dilution, etc... Do you care 
providing some details. As it comes to my mind you'd set sepia for the 
quarter and mid tones and swith to selenium for 3/4 tones and shadows, 
but it looks a bit simplistic. I'm expecting K7 PK to change my old 
Piezotone set up and I'll sure look into split tone set ups.
Thanks.
Olivier

In a message dated 4/4/2007 5:21:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
odesmais@... writes:

> I  would suggest you start with the Split K 7 set and adjust carts or  
inks  
> from there.

If it's not off topic, I don't  really understand how to produce split 
tone set ups:  what tone  where, what dilution, etc... Do you care 
providing some details. As it  comes to my mind you'd set sepia for the 
quarter and mid tones and swith  to selenium for 3/4 tones and shadows, 
but it looks a bit simplistic. I'm  expecting K7 PK to change my old 
Piezotone set up and I'll sure look into  split tone set ups.
Thanks.
Olivier



That was a response to a previous poster whose images were (IMO) more  
suitable to Split K 7 than NK 7.
It is probably better to start with NK 7 inks and make judgements from the  
neutral tone. It's tricky, and the choices are emotional rather than logical. 
K7  is MK so far, although Jon is working on a PK inkset.
What I did was to experiment on my 2200's to decide what tone suited a  
particular image best. It is very quick and easy to switch inks on a 2200 at  each 
position, so I have 3 sets of inks and I'm ordering a 4th in Carbon Sepia.  
When I find a combination that floats my boat. I match the set in my  4000 and 
make the prints in batches.
HTH
 
Richard (Brooklyn)



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