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Profiles for Epson 1400 with UT-14 inks

Profiles for Epson 1400 with UT-14 inks

2009-01-19 by dpgoldenberg33

Hi,
   I have just uploaded a set of Ink Description Files that I created
for the Epson 1400 and the MIS UT-14 inks.  I have been very pleased
with the results, and I hope they might be helpful to others.  There
are "warm" and "cool" profiles for three papers: Epson Enhanced Matte,
Ilford Gold Fibre Silk and Kirkland Glossy.  There is also a black
only profile for Epson Enhanced Matte.  

You should be able to generate the appropriate profiles from the ink
description files for either a Mac (which I used to create them) or
Windows.  One possible complication is that the text files have been
edited with Unix-style new line characters, and it may be necessary to
convert them to Windows style.

I created the profiles using a scanner, calibrated with a Kodak step
wedge, and have linearized them.

I hope these are useful to someone.  Let me know if you you have
problems or questions.

David

Re: Profiles for Epson 1400 with UT-14 inks

2009-01-21 by linuxgangster

Thankyou so much, I have been waiting for some ut14 profiles. Now all
I am missing is a profile for a luster paper :)

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "dpgoldenberg33"
<dpgoldenberg33@...> wrote:
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>
> Hi,
>    I have just uploaded a set of Ink Description Files that I created
> for the Epson 1400 and the MIS UT-14 inks.  I have been very pleased
> with the results, and I hope they might be helpful to others.  There
> are "warm" and "cool" profiles for three papers: Epson Enhanced Matte,
> Ilford Gold Fibre Silk and Kirkland Glossy.  There is also a black
> only profile for Epson Enhanced Matte.  
> 
> You should be able to generate the appropriate profiles from the ink
> description files for either a Mac (which I used to create them) or
> Windows.  One possible complication is that the text files have been
> edited with Unix-style new line characters, and it may be necessary to
> convert them to Windows style.
> 
> I created the profiles using a scanner, calibrated with a Kodak step
> wedge, and have linearized them.
> 
> I hope these are useful to someone.  Let me know if you you have
> problems or questions.
> 
> David
>

Re: Profiles for Epson 1400 with UT-14 inks

2009-01-21 by dpgoldenberg33

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "linuxgangster" <natas@...> wrote:
>
> Thankyou so much, I have been waiting for some ut14 profiles. Now all
> I am missing is a profile for a luster paper :)
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "dpgoldenberg33"
> <dpgoldenberg33@> wrote:
> >

I hope that the profiles work well for you. One thing that I forgot to
mention is that they should be used with the maximum dpi setting for
the 1400 and "unidirectional" printing.

David

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Profiles for Epson 1400 with UT-14 inks

2009-01-21 by Eddie Wiseman

Hi David..

OK..sorry but my computer illiteracy is showing!..I'm on a Windoz Vista computer..I have the UT14 settup..I can't figure out how to install your files from a "description"..Windoz does not recognise a "COMMAND FILE..

Could use some help here..( and some curves of course for QTR!!)

TIA

Eddie
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: dpgoldenberg33 
  To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 1:05 AM
  Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Profiles for Epson 1400 with UT-14 inks


  Hi,
  I have just uploaded a set of Ink Description Files that I created
  for the Epson 1400 and the MIS UT-14 inks. I have been very pleased
  with the results, and I hope they might be helpful to others. There
  are "warm" and "cool" profiles for three papers: Epson Enhanced Matte,
  Ilford Gold Fibre Silk and Kirkland Glossy. There is also a black
  only profile for Epson Enhanced Matte. 

  You should be able to generate the appropriate profiles from the ink
  description files for either a Mac (which I used to create them) or
  Windows. One possible complication is that the text files have been
  edited with Unix-style new line characters, and it may be necessary to
  convert them to Windows style.

  I created the profiles using a scanner, calibrated with a Kodak step
  wedge, and have linearized them.

  I hope these are useful to someone. Let me know if you you have
  problems or questions.

  David



   

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Re: Profiles for Epson 1400 with UT-14 inks

2009-01-22 by dpgoldenberg33

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Eddie Wiseman" <pahts@...> wrote:
>
> Hi David..
> 
> OK..sorry but my computer illiteracy is showing!..I'm on a Windoz
Vista computer..I have the UT14 settup..I can't figure out how to
install your files from a "description"..Windoz does not recognise a
"COMMAND FILE..
> 

Eddie,
   I've not actually used QTR with Windows, so I'm afraid that any
guidance I can offer is based on reading the User Guide by Tom Moore.
 Perhaps Tom can jump in if I write anything misleading.  But, the
following may help:

There are basically two kinds of file that are used with the QTR system:

1. "Curve" files that are used directly by the QTR print driver to
specify how much of each ink to squirt out for a given gray level. 
These are basically just long lists of numbers and have the file
extension ".quad".  On a Mac, the reside printer-specific folders
within /Library/Printers/QTR/quadtone/.  I presume that on a Windows
machine they reside is some equivalent directory that the QTR driver
access.  One could, in principle, create the curve files by typing out
these lists of numbers, but it wouldn't be much fun.  So, there is a
semi-automatic means of creating them, which leads to:

2. "Ink description files".  These are text files that specify a set
of parameters from which the curve files are actually generated. 
These files have the extension ".txt" on the Mac and ".qidf" for
Windows and are the type of file that I provided.  These files are
roughly analogous to the source code for a computer program which
written in text by a human is then read by an interpreter (or
compiler) program that generates the actual executable program. On the
Mac, the interpreter that generates the curve file is the "command"
file provided in my folder.  On Windows, there is a nice
graphical-user-interface program, called "Curve Creator".

To create the curves on Windows, I believe that you need to follow
these steps:

1. Change the suffix on the file names from .txt to .qdif.  

2. Start the Curve Creator program.  (As I understand it Curve Creator
is part of the Windows QTR package, but you need to specify that it be
installed when you first install QTR, or add it later.)  

3. Open one of the qdif files in Curve Creator.  This should fill in
the various parameter boxes.  Do not change anything!  Just click on
the "Create Curve" button.  This, I believe, will generate the quad
curve and save it in the proper place so that it will appear in the
QTR dialog.  You then need to repeat this with each of the curves you
want to use.

It is also possible to use QTR to generate "ICC profiles" that can be
used to print without using QTR directly.  This is what Paul Roark
provides for the UT-14 inks.  I have not really tried this.  To me, it
is much nicer to be able to use QTR to mix warm and cool curves for an
individual print.

I hope this helps.  If need be, I can provide the curve files, so that
you don't have to mess with Curve Creator.  But, the downside to that
is that you then have to worry about putting the curve files in the
correct place.  If someone can tell me of a better way to distribute
the curves, I'll be happy to do it that way.

As I said, I am relying heavily on the User Guide and have not
actually done this with Windows.

Good luck,
David

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Profiles for Epson 1400 with UT-14 inks

2009-01-22 by Eddie Wiseman

Good Morning David and THX for your very thorough description!

Actually I DO know where to insert the curves/icc files once they are created....Creating them has been the issue for me..(DUH....)..IF in fact you already have them in a "format" I could use, I should be able to drop them right in..If you could email me directly with those files, I could add them into my "library" along with the  "BO" files that came with QTR, and the be able to utilize QTR in it's most user-friendly" manner..
THX in ADVANCE!

ddie
Eddie Wiseman
email: pahts@...
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: dpgoldenberg33 
  To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:05 PM
  Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Profiles for Epson 1400 with UT-14 inks


  --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Eddie Wiseman" <pahts@...> wrote:
  >
  > Hi David..
  > 
  > OK..sorry but my computer illiteracy is showing!..I'm on a Windoz
  Vista computer..I have the UT14 settup..I can't figure out how to
  install your files from a "description"..Windoz does not recognise a
  "COMMAND FILE..
  > 

  Eddie,
  I've not actually used QTR with Windows, so I'm afraid that any
  guidance I can offer is based on reading the User Guide by Tom Moore.
  Perhaps Tom can jump in if I write anything misleading. But, the
  following may help:

  There are basically two kinds of file that are used with the QTR system:

  1. "Curve" files that are used directly by the QTR print driver to
  specify how much of each ink to squirt out for a given gray level. 
  These are basically just long lists of numbers and have the file
  extension ".quad". On a Mac, the reside printer-specific folders
  within /Library/Printers/QTR/quadtone/. I presume that on a Windows
  machine they reside is some equivalent directory that the QTR driver
  access. One could, in principle, create the curve files by typing out
  these lists of numbers, but it wouldn't be much fun. So, there is a
  semi-automatic means of creating them, which leads to:

  2. "Ink description files". These are text files that specify a set
  of parameters from which the curve files are actually generated. 
  These files have the extension ".txt" on the Mac and ".qidf" for
  Windows and are the type of file that I provided. These files are
  roughly analogous to the source code for a computer program which
  written in text by a human is then read by an interpreter (or
  compiler) program that generates the actual executable program. On the
  Mac, the interpreter that generates the curve file is the "command"
  file provided in my folder. On Windows, there is a nice
  graphical-user-interface program, called "Curve Creator".

  To create the curves on Windows, I believe that you need to follow
  these steps:

  1. Change the suffix on the file names from .txt to .qdif. 

  2. Start the Curve Creator program. (As I understand it Curve Creator
  is part of the Windows QTR package, but you need to specify that it be
  installed when you first install QTR, or add it later.) 

  3. Open one of the qdif files in Curve Creator. This should fill in
  the various parameter boxes. Do not change anything! Just click on
  the "Create Curve" button. This, I believe, will generate the quad
  curve and save it in the proper place so that it will appear in the
  QTR dialog. You then need to repeat this with each of the curves you
  want to use.

  It is also possible to use QTR to generate "ICC profiles" that can be
  used to print without using QTR directly. This is what Paul Roark
  provides for the UT-14 inks. I have not really tried this. To me, it
  is much nicer to be able to use QTR to mix warm and cool curves for an
  individual print.

  I hope this helps. If need be, I can provide the curve files, so that
  you don't have to mess with Curve Creator. But, the downside to that
  is that you then have to worry about putting the curve files in the
  correct place. If someone can tell me of a better way to distribute
  the curves, I'll be happy to do it that way.

  As I said, I am relying heavily on the User Guide and have not
  actually done this with Windows.

  Good luck,
  David



   

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Re: Profiles for Epson 1400 with UT-14 inks

2009-01-23 by dpgoldenberg33

Eddie,
   I have uploaded a new zip archive with the quad files as well as
the ink description files. I hope that solves your difficulty.

David


--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Eddie Wiseman" <pahts@...> wrote:
>
> Good Morning David and THX for your very thorough description!
> 
> Actually I DO know where to insert the curves/icc files once they
are created....Creating them has been the issue for me..(DUH....)..IF
in fact you already have them in a "format" I could use, I should be
able to drop them right in..If you could email me directly with those
files, I could add them into my "library" along with the  "BO" files
that came with QTR, and the be able to utilize QTR in it's most
user-friendly" manner..
> THX in ADVANCE!
>

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Profiles for Epson 1400 with UT-14 inks

2009-01-23 by Eddie Wiseman

DAVID..

FANTASTIC!

I'M SURE OTHER'S WILL THANK YOU AS WELL!

THX A GAZILLION!

EDDIE
Eddie Wiseman
J&M Industries LLC
T 978-474-0103
F 978-474-8023
email: pahts@...
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: dpgoldenberg33 
  To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 10:40 PM
  Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Profiles for Epson 1400 with UT-14 inks


  Eddie,
  I have uploaded a new zip archive with the quad files as well as
  the ink description files. I hope that solves your difficulty.

  David

  --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Eddie Wiseman" <pahts@...> wrote:
  >
  > Good Morning David and THX for your very thorough description!
  > 
  > Actually I DO know where to insert the curves/icc files once they
  are created....Creating them has been the issue for me..(DUH....)..IF
  in fact you already have them in a "format" I could use, I should be
  able to drop them right in..If you could email me directly with those
  files, I could add them into my "library" along with the "BO" files
  that came with QTR, and the be able to utilize QTR in it's most
  user-friendly" manner..
  > THX in ADVANCE!
  > 



   

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Re: Profiles for Epson 1400 with UT-14 inks

2009-04-05 by grangermacy

David, thanks so much for these profiles.  They are certainly helping me as I start to profile my papers.
Question for anyone though on the glossy profiles.

I was noticing that David has not used the glop channel in any of the glossy profiles (Kirkland Glossy and Ilford Gold Fibre).  I've yet to experiment with glossy and UT14, but I was wondering if you or others reading this list have had any observations on gloss differential and papers with UT14. 
In either case, how would you correctly specify/judge glop's use as an ink in QTR. Is there a good place to start?

thanks
granger

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "dpgoldenberg33" <dpgoldenberg33@...> wrote:
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>
> Hi,
>    I have just uploaded a set of Ink Description Files that I created
> for the Epson 1400 and the MIS UT-14 inks.  I have been very pleased
> with the results, and I hope they might be helpful to others.  There
> are "warm" and "cool" profiles for three papers: Epson Enhanced Matte,
> Ilford Gold Fibre Silk and Kirkland Glossy.  There is also a black
> only profile for Epson Enhanced Matte.  
> 
> You should be able to generate the appropriate profiles from the ink
> description files for either a Mac (which I used to create them) or
> Windows.  One possible complication is that the text files have been
> edited with Unix-style new line characters, and it may be necessary to
> convert them to Windows style.
> 
> I created the profiles using a scanner, calibrated with a Kodak step
> wedge, and have linearized them.
> 
> I hope these are useful to someone.  Let me know if you you have
> problems or questions.
> 
> David
>

Re: Profiles for Epson 1400 with UT-14 inks

2009-04-05 by robert49brake

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "grangermacy" <grangermacy@...> wrote:

> In either case, how would you correctly specify/judge glop's use as an ink in QTR. Is there a good place to start?

Hello Granger, Glop usage has one caveat with QTR:  QTR will read RGB 255 or Gray 255 as paper white and not lay any ink down, so if you are going to use glop on any image you must add an adjustment layer that converts 255 to 254.  Easiest way is with Levels, go to the levels box and at output 255 change that to 254.  That will map all paper whites of 255 to 254 where the Glop will now print.

You can then add a CURVE= command after the UNUSED_INKS COMMANDS to activate the glop channel.  I have found on the inkset I use with Gold F Silk that very little glop is needed to prevent bronzing other than in the highlights.  Your mileage may differ.  Here is the curve I use and the syntax it would use if Y was the Glop channel.

CURVE_Y="0;81 7;9 100;0"""

As you can see CURVE_(X)=  Defines any channel.  You must precede with a quotation mark and separate the inputs from the outputs with a semicolon and insert single spaces between the defined points.  Do not insert spaces anywhere else and close with a set of triple quotation marks. 

This curve lays down 81% glop in the highest highlights and drops down fairly rapidly and by 30% mark has stopped laying down any glop.  If you open a New 16bit grayscale image in PS, add a curves layer, check PIgment Ink and then insert the above points you will be able to see the curve.

In QTR-CurveView with a MAC or with the Windows Curve Viewer you can open you .quad file and see how that curve is translated by QTR.

Re: Profiles for Epson 1400 with UT-14 inks

2010-08-29 by alan2print

Hi David,
Would it be possible to have a copy of your UT14 ink files
As they would give me a great starting point for these papers.

Thankyou Alan.

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "dpgoldenberg33" <dpgoldenberg33@...> wrote:
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>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Eddie Wiseman" <pahts@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi David..
> > 
> > OK..sorry but my computer illiteracy is showing!..I'm on a Windoz
> Vista computer..I have the UT14 settup..I can't figure out how to
> install your files from a "description"..Windoz does not recognise a
> "COMMAND FILE..
> > 
> 
> Eddie,
>    I've not actually used QTR with Windows, so I'm afraid that any
> guidance I can offer is based on reading the User Guide by Tom Moore.
>  Perhaps Tom can jump in if I write anything misleading.  But, the
> following may help:
> 
> There are basically two kinds of file that are used with the QTR system:
> 
> 1. "Curve" files that are used directly by the QTR print driver to
> specify how much of each ink to squirt out for a given gray level. 
> These are basically just long lists of numbers and have the file
> extension ".quad".  On a Mac, the reside printer-specific folders
> within /Library/Printers/QTR/quadtone/.  I presume that on a Windows
> machine they reside is some equivalent directory that the QTR driver
> access.  One could, in principle, create the curve files by typing out
> these lists of numbers, but it wouldn't be much fun.  So, there is a
> semi-automatic means of creating them, which leads to:
> 
> 2. "Ink description files".  These are text files that specify a set
> of parameters from which the curve files are actually generated. 
> These files have the extension ".txt" on the Mac and ".qidf" for
> Windows and are the type of file that I provided.  These files are
> roughly analogous to the source code for a computer program which
> written in text by a human is then read by an interpreter (or
> compiler) program that generates the actual executable program. On the
> Mac, the interpreter that generates the curve file is the "command"
> file provided in my folder.  On Windows, there is a nice
> graphical-user-interface program, called "Curve Creator".
> 
> To create the curves on Windows, I believe that you need to follow
> these steps:
> 
> 1. Change the suffix on the file names from .txt to .qdif.  
> 
> 2. Start the Curve Creator program.  (As I understand it Curve Creator
> is part of the Windows QTR package, but you need to specify that it be
> installed when you first install QTR, or add it later.)  
> 
> 3. Open one of the qdif files in Curve Creator.  This should fill in
> the various parameter boxes.  Do not change anything!  Just click on
> the "Create Curve" button.  This, I believe, will generate the quad
> curve and save it in the proper place so that it will appear in the
> QTR dialog.  You then need to repeat this with each of the curves you
> want to use.
> 
> It is also possible to use QTR to generate "ICC profiles" that can be
> used to print without using QTR directly.  This is what Paul Roark
> provides for the UT-14 inks.  I have not really tried this.  To me, it
> is much nicer to be able to use QTR to mix warm and cool curves for an
> individual print.
> 
> I hope this helps.  If need be, I can provide the curve files, so that
> you don't have to mess with Curve Creator.  But, the downside to that
> is that you then have to worry about putting the curve files in the
> correct place.  If someone can tell me of a better way to distribute
> the curves, I'll be happy to do it that way.
> 
> As I said, I am relying heavily on the User Guide and have not
> actually done this with Windows.
> 
> Good luck,
> David
>

Re: Profiles for Epson 1400 with UT-14 inks

2010-09-11 by David

Alan,
   The curves are available here on the group.  Look under "Files", "Curves", "Epson 1400", and let me know if you have any problems or questions.

David

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "alan2print" <alan2print@...> wrote:
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>
> Hi David,
> Would it be possible to have a copy of your UT14 ink files
> As they would give me a great starting point for these papers.
> 
> Thankyou Alan.

Re: Profiles for Epson 1400 with UT-14 inks

2011-09-23 by Mel

David explained it works for both Mac and Windows, so I had a go at installing them into QTR in  Windows 7, although I am still awaiting the ink set from Ink Supply, so not able to do any test prints yet.

1. In the QTR forum, go to Files>Curves>Epson 1400>QT_1400_UT14.zip and open the file.
2. Open the Ink Descriptor file folder.
3. Copy the required files(bo, cool, warm) to the 1400-mis folder in QuadToneRIP>Profiles.
4. Open the QTR programme and click on Tools>Curve Creator>Printer Model>Quad1400-MIS
5. Click on File>Open>Look In>1400-mis.
6. Change File type to All Files.
7. Click on one of the files you copied to the 1400-mis folder in 3. above and click Open.
8. The Curve Creator will then show a description of the file contents (Ink Limit, densities, liearization etc.
9. Save the file, naming it with an informative name, say UT14-EEnMatte-cool.qidf.
10. When you open QTR this curve will appear in the list of curves available.

It's important to read David's Readme file for recommendations with regard to blending of curves to produce different tones.

There are cool and warm tones for three different papers and a BO for Epson Enhanced Matte.

Thank you David for these curves - I will repost when I have had a chance to try them.

Mel


--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "David" <dpgoldenberg33@...> wrote:
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>
> Alan,
>    The curves are available here on the group.  Look under "Files", "Curves", "Epson 1400", and let me know if you have any problems or questions.
> 
> David
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "alan2print" <alan2print@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi David,
> > Would it be possible to have a copy of your UT14 ink files
> > As they would give me a great starting point for these papers.
> > 
> > Thankyou Alan.
>

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Profiles for Epson 1400 with UT-14 inks

2011-09-23 by edward wiseman

Hi Mel..

Let me know how it goes once you have your inks installed..I believe I did go through this "instruction set" when I first got my inks..I'm willing to try it again..BTW, Dave sent me an email, but when I tried to reply it bounced (twice)..
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mel 
  To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 6:38 AM
  Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Profiles for Epson 1400 with UT-14 inks


    


  David explained it works for both Mac and Windows, so I had a go at installing them into QTR in Windows 7, although I am still awaiting the ink set from Ink Supply, so not able to do any test prints yet.

  1. In the QTR forum, go to Files>Curves>Epson 1400>QT_1400_UT14.zip and open the file.
  2. Open the Ink Descriptor file folder.
  3. Copy the required files(bo, cool, warm) to the 1400-mis folder in QuadToneRIP>Profiles.
  4. Open the QTR programme and click on Tools>Curve Creator>Printer Model>Quad1400-MIS
  5. Click on File>Open>Look In>1400-mis.
  6. Change File type to All Files.
  7. Click on one of the files you copied to the 1400-mis folder in 3. above and click Open.
  8. The Curve Creator will then show a description of the file contents (Ink Limit, densities, liearization etc.
  9. Save the file, naming it with an informative name, say UT14-EEnMatte-cool.qidf.
  10. When you open QTR this curve will appear in the list of curves available.

  It's important to read David's Readme file for recommendations with regard to blending of curves to produce different tones.

  There are cool and warm tones for three different papers and a BO for Epson Enhanced Matte.

  Thank you David for these curves - I will repost when I have had a chance to try them.

  Mel

  --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "David" <dpgoldenberg33@...> wrote:
  >
  > Alan,
  > The curves are available here on the group. Look under "Files", "Curves", "Epson 1400", and let me know if you have any problems or questions.
  > 
  > David
  > 
  > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "alan2print" <alan2print@> wrote:
  > >
  > > Hi David,
  > > Would it be possible to have a copy of your UT14 ink files
  > > As they would give me a great starting point for these papers.
  > > 
  > > Thankyou Alan.
  >



  

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Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Profiles for Epson 1400 with UT-14 inks

2011-09-23 by edward wiseman

----- Original Message ----- 
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  From: Mel 
  To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 6:38 AM
  Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Profiles for Epson 1400 with UT-14 inks


    Mel..
  I just tried again to install these  UT14 files with NO results..I gotta be doing something wrong. They do not show up in the GUI..

  Eddie


  David explained it works for both Mac and Windows, so I had a go at installing them into QTR in Windows 7, although I am still awaiting the ink set from Ink Supply, so not able to do any test prints yet.

  1. In the QTR forum, go to Files>Curves>Epson 1400>QT_1400_UT14.zip and open the file.
  2. Open the Ink Descriptor file folder.
  3. Copy the required files(bo, cool, warm) to the 1400-mis folder in QuadToneRIP>Profiles.
  4. Open the QTR programme and click on Tools>Curve Creator>Printer Model>Quad1400-MIS
  5. Click on File>Open>Look In>1400-mis.
  6. Change File type to All Files.
  7. Click on one of the files you copied to the 1400-mis folder in 3. above and click Open.
  8. The Curve Creator will then show a description of the file contents (Ink Limit, densities, liearization etc.
  9. Save the file, naming it with an informative name, say UT14-EEnMatte-cool.qidf.
  10. When you open QTR this curve will appear in the list of curves available.

  It's important to read David's Readme file for recommendations with regard to blending of curves to produce different tones.

  There are cool and warm tones for three different papers and a BO for Epson Enhanced Matte.

  Thank you David for these curves - I will repost when I have had a chance to try them.

  Mel

  --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "David" <dpgoldenberg33@...> wrote:
  >
  > Alan,
  > The curves are available here on the group. Look under "Files", "Curves", "Epson 1400", and let me know if you have any problems or questions.
  > 
  > David
  > 
  > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "alan2print" <alan2print@> wrote:
  > >
  > > Hi David,
  > > Would it be possible to have a copy of your UT14 ink files
  > > As they would give me a great starting point for these papers.
  > > 
  > > Thankyou Alan.
  >



  

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Re: Profiles for Epson 1400 with UT-14 inks

2011-09-23 by Mel

They don't show until you change the File Type from" Ink Descriptor File" to "All Files" in the drop down menu as explained in 6.

Mel

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "edward wiseman" <pahts@...> wrote:
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> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Mel 
>   To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 6:38 AM
>   Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Profiles for Epson 1400 with UT-14 inks
> 
> 
>     Mel..
>   I just tried again to install these  UT14 files with NO results..I gotta be doing something wrong. They do not show up in the GUI..
> 
>   Eddie
> 
> 
>   David explained it works for both Mac and Windows, so I had a go at installing them into QTR in Windows 7, although I am still awaiting the ink set from Ink Supply, so not able to do any test prints yet.
> 
>   1. In the QTR forum, go to Files>Curves>Epson 1400>QT_1400_UT14.zip and open the file.
>   2. Open the Ink Descriptor file folder.
>   3. Copy the required files(bo, cool, warm) to the 1400-mis folder in QuadToneRIP>Profiles.
>   4. Open the QTR programme and click on Tools>Curve Creator>Printer Model>Quad1400-MIS
>   5. Click on File>Open>Look In>1400-mis.
>   6. Change File type to All Files.
>   7. Click on one of the files you copied to the 1400-mis folder in 3. above and click Open.
>   8. The Curve Creator will then show a description of the file contents (Ink Limit, densities, liearization etc.
>   9. Save the file, naming it with an informative name, say UT14-EEnMatte-cool.qidf.
>   10. When you open QTR this curve will appear in the list of curves available.
> 
>   It's important to read David's Readme file for recommendations with regard to blending of curves to produce different tones.
> 
>   There are cool and warm tones for three different papers and a BO for Epson Enhanced Matte.
> 
>   Thank you David for these curves - I will repost when I have had a chance to try them.
> 
>   Mel
> 
>   --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "David" <dpgoldenberg33@> wrote:
>   >
>   > Alan,
>   > The curves are available here on the group. Look under "Files", "Curves", "Epson 1400", and let me know if you have any problems or questions.
>   > 
>   > David
>   > 
>   > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "alan2print" <alan2print@> wrote:
>   > >
>   > > Hi David,
>   > > Would it be possible to have a copy of your UT14 ink files
>   > > As they would give me a great starting point for these papers.
>   > > 
>   > > Thankyou Alan.
>   >
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: Profiles for Epson 1400 with UT-14 inks

2011-09-24 by David

My apologies to those who have tried to contact me about the curves. My Yahoo e-mail account was inactivated for lack of activity, and my posts seem to disappear in the ether.  I've tried resetting everything, and maybe this post will appear.

It sounds as though Mel has figured out the trick for making the ink descriptor files appear under Windows, but I will be happy to help if I can.

DAvid

Re: Profiles for Epson 1400 with UT-14 inks

2012-03-31 by boulet_v

Hi,

Thanks a lot for your curves. They really help me understand QTR uses with my UT14 kit on my Epson printer.
Now I want to create some other curves for different papers but how did you determine the DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT ? Apparently it depends of the paper.
Another question : on curves made by PaulRoark, there is a CURVE_K parameter, what does it mean ?
Any help will be appreciated.

Vincent.


--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "dpgoldenberg33" <dpgoldenberg33@...> wrote:
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> Hi,
>    I have just uploaded a set of Ink Description Files that I created
> for the Epson 1400 and the MIS UT-14 inks.  I have been very pleased
> with the results, and I hope they might be helpful to others.  There
> are "warm" and "cool" profiles for three papers: Epson Enhanced Matte,
> Ilford Gold Fibre Silk and Kirkland Glossy.  There is also a black
> only profile for Epson Enhanced Matte.  
> 
> You should be able to generate the appropriate profiles from the ink
> description files for either a Mac (which I used to create them) or
> Windows.  One possible complication is that the text files have been
> edited with Unix-style new line characters, and it may be necessary to
> convert them to Windows style.
> 
> I created the profiles using a scanner, calibrated with a Kodak step
> wedge, and have linearized them.
> 
> I hope these are useful to someone.  Let me know if you you have
> problems or questions.
> 
> David
>

Re: Profiles for Epson 1400 with UT-14 inks

2012-03-31 by David

Vincent,
   I'm glad to hear that the curves were useful to you.  To try to answer your questions:

1. The ink limits can be set individually, or by using a default limit.  For each ink, the limit will be set to the lower of the default or the individual limit.

To determine the values for the ink limits, the first step is to print the ink separation file, following the instructions in the various tutorials available here or at the official QTR site.  Then, look at the darkest ink you will use for the curve (probably black for matte papers or C or M for glossy papers).  By eye or using a densitometer or scanner, you want to identify the point where the density stops increasing.  That becomes the ink limit for the darkest inks.  With the UT-14 inks, it's usually 30-35%.  This is probably the most important parameter, as the others tend to be corrected for in the linearization step.

The ink limit for the darkest ink can also be used for the default ink limit, which is what I did for the curves I posted.  I didn't specify lower limits for any of the other inks.

The other parameter that has to be set for each ink is the relative gray value, which represents the density of the ink relative to the darkest ink.  I did this following the method in the tutorial.

2. The CURVE_K parameter, along with equivalent CURVE parameters for the other inks are another way of specifying the initial curves.  These allow you to specify the actual ink levels at specific gray values. This isn't necessary if the ink limits and relative gray values are set.

Whatever means you use to define the curves, the key final step is the linearization, which adjust the final gray values to match an "ideal" curve.  This step corrects for a lot of the variation that might arise from how the initial parameters were set.

I have recently been doing a lot of experimenting with curves, and I hope to post a new set UT-14 curves soon, along with some instructions for the method I have worked out using a scanner as a densitometer.  

I hope this helps.  There are several tutorials available, but the process is rather confusing!

David



--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "boulet_v" <boulet_v@...> wrote:
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>
> Hi,
> 
> Thanks a lot for your curves. They really help me understand QTR uses with my UT14 kit on my Epson printer.
> Now I want to create some other curves for different papers but how did you determine the DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT ? Apparently it depends of the paper.
> Another question : on curves made by PaulRoark, there is a CURVE_K parameter, what does it mean ?
> Any help will be appreciated.
> 
> Vincent.
> 
>

Re: Profiles for Epson 1400 with UT-14 inks

2012-04-01 by David

I'm sorry, but  part of what I wrote below is not quite right: The ink limit specified or an individual ink will override the default value, whether it is high or lower than the default.

David

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "David" <dpgoldenberg33@...> wrote:
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>
> Vincent,
>    I'm glad to hear that the curves were useful to you.  To try to answer your questions:
> 
> 1. The ink limits can be set individually, or by using a default limit.  For each ink, the limit will be set to the lower of the default or the individual limit.
> 
> To determine the values for the ink limits, the first step is to print the ink separation file, following the instructions in the various tutorials available here or at the official QTR site.  Then, look at the darkest ink you will use for the curve (probably black for matte papers or C or M for glossy papers).  By eye or using a densitometer or scanner, you want to identify the point where the density stops increasing.  That becomes the ink limit for the darkest inks.  With the UT-14 inks, it's usually 30-35%.  This is probably the most important parameter, as the others tend to be corrected for in the linearization step.
> 
> The ink limit for the darkest ink can also be used for the default ink limit, which is what I did for the curves I posted.  I didn't specify lower limits for any of the other inks.
> 
> The other parameter that has to be set for each ink is the relative gray value, which represents the density of the ink relative to the darkest ink.  I did this following the method in the tutorial.
> 
> 2. The CURVE_K parameter, along with equivalent CURVE parameters for the other inks are another way of specifying the initial curves.  These allow you to specify the actual ink levels at specific gray values. This isn't necessary if the ink limits and relative gray values are set.
> 
> Whatever means you use to define the curves, the key final step is the linearization, which adjust the final gray values to match an "ideal" curve.  This step corrects for a lot of the variation that might arise from how the initial parameters were set.
> 
> I have recently been doing a lot of experimenting with curves, and I hope to post a new set UT-14 curves soon, along with some instructions for the method I have worked out using a scanner as a densitometer.  
> 
> I hope this helps.  There are several tutorials available, but the process is rather confusing!
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "boulet_v" <boulet_v@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Thanks a lot for your curves. They really help me understand QTR uses with my UT14 kit on my Epson printer.
> > Now I want to create some other curves for different papers but how did you determine the DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT ? Apparently it depends of the paper.
> > Another question : on curves made by PaulRoark, there is a CURVE_K parameter, what does it mean ?
> > Any help will be appreciated.
> > 
> > Vincent.
> > 
> >
>

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