QTR-Quadtone RIP

Hi.  I am not new to black and white inkjet printing.  I have been at
this since the first generation of piezography.  I am new to this
particular product though.  Can someone please enlighten as to using
the  rip with the epson r200.  Does this only work with the
mediastreet products currently offered or are there other options? 
Any insight would be appreciated. Thanx.

Scott

Hi Scott,

While I am relatively new to BW printing (8 months), I might be able  
to help with QTR and the R200. I have not yet set up my R200, as I  
just purchased it. But it is sitting in my office right now and will  
be printing with it this Thursday or Friday once I get the inks and  
carts I ordered for it.

To the best of my knowledge, the only profiles or more correctly,  
curves available, are for the Media Street products. However, it is  
possible to produce your own curves for any ink/paper combination, by  
printing some included targets and using a spectrophotometer,  
densitometer or possibly a scanner, if it is reliable enough, to  
linearize the output. There are some tutorials available, one for Mac  
users, in the yahoo group's files folder, and one for Windows at  
Roy's site ( harrington.com ). Personally, I will be producing some  
curves for a modified set of the MIS UT-2 inks that replaces the  
standard sepia ink for a neutral light ink for better transitions in  
the highlights.

At first, the process seems complicated, but it is actually quite  
simple once you get the hang of it. While it does take time and  
energy to produce your own curves, I have found it well worth the  
effort.

If you are not in a position to create your own curves, then your  
best bet is to see if any other members have curves already made for  
the ink/paper combination you're looking for that they would be  
willing to share with you. Otherwise, if you would be interested in  
or were planning on using the UT-2 inks, and were using any of the  
papers I'm using, I could modify the curves I come up with for use  
with the standard ink setup, and the only curve you'd have to  
finalize, would be the one using the sepia ink. Actually, on second  
thought, I just remembered I was going to order some extra empty  
carts to fiddle around with some other ink combinations, including  
the sepia ink. So, scratch that on the sepia curve, as I would be  
able to create one, it would just be a little while till I get the  
extra carts and ink. Right now, I have mainly been using Hahnemuhle  
Photo Rag, the Epson Premium Glossy and Semi-Gloss Photo papers,  
Kodak Premium Photo Paper, High Gloss, and Illuminata Photo Cotton,  
Cool Tone. And I am planning on picking up some new papers from  
Epson, Innova, Hahnemuhle and Moab. If you're interested let me know.

Best Regards,

Eric
www.ericashworth.net

On Sep 3, 2005, at 10:17 AM, lancscott wrote:

>
>
> Hi.  I am not new to black and white inkjet printing.  I have been at
> this since the first generation of piezography.  I am new to this
> particular product though.  Can someone please enlighten as to using
> the  rip with the epson r200.  Does this only work with the
> mediastreet products currently offered or are there other options?
> Any insight would be appreciated. Thanx.
>
> Scott

Hi Eric,

I'd love to know how your R200 with modified UT2 inkset tests are 
going. I had the same idea last week myself, after reading about 
Clayton Jones BO Eboni setup, and am currently waiting for my carts 
and inks to arrive in the UK. I also intend to be using Epson 
Premium Glossy, Semigloss and Lustre.

regards,

Jamie Creed

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On Sep 3, 2005, Eric Ashworth wrote:

Hi Scott,

While I am relatively new to BW printing (8 months), I might be able
to help with QTR and the R200. I have not yet set up my R200, as I
just purchased it. But it is sitting in my office right now and will
be printing with it this Thursday or Friday once I get the inks and
carts I ordered for it.

To the best of my knowledge, the only profiles or more correctly,
curves available, are for the Media Street products. However, it is
possible to produce your own curves for any ink/paper combination, by
printing some included targets and using a spectrophotometer,
densitometer or possibly a scanner, if it is reliable enough, to
linearize the output. There are some tutorials available, one for Mac
users, in the yahoo group's files folder, and one for Windows at
Roy's site ( harrington.com ). Personally, I will be producing some
curves for a modified set of the MIS UT-2 inks that replaces the
standard sepia ink for a neutral light ink for better transitions in
the highlights.

At first, the process seems complicated, but it is actually quite
simple once you get the hang of it. While it does take time and
energy to produce your own curves, I have found it well worth the
effort.

If you are not in a position to create your own curves, then your
best bet is to see if any other members have curves already made for
the ink/paper combination you're looking for that they would be
willing to share with you. Otherwise, if you would be interested in
or were planning on using the UT-2 inks, and were using any of the
papers I'm using, I could modify the curves I come up with for use
with the standard ink setup, and the only curve you'd have to
finalize, would be the one using the sepia ink. Actually, on second
thought, I just remembered I was going to order some extra empty
carts to fiddle around with some other ink combinations, including
the sepia ink. So, scratch that on the sepia curve, as I would be
able to create one, it would just be a little while till I get the
extra carts and ink. Right now, I have mainly been using Hahnemuhle
Photo Rag, the Epson Premium Glossy and Semi-Gloss Photo papers,
Kodak Premium Photo Paper, High Gloss, and Illuminata Photo Cotton,
Cool Tone. And I am planning on picking up some new papers from
Epson, Innova, Hahnemuhle and Moab. If you're interested let me know.

Best Regards,

Eric
www.ericashworth.net

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On Sep 3, 2005, at 10:17 AM, lancscott wrote:

>
>
> Hi. I am not new to black and white inkjet printing. I have been at
> this since the first generation of piezography. I am new to this
> particular product though. Can someone please enlighten as to using
> the rip with the epson r200. Does this only work with the
> mediastreet products currently offered or are there other options?
> Any insight would be appreciated. Thanx.
>
> Scott

Hi Jamie,

I'm afraid I set aside the UT2 inks for a bit to try out some  
experiments running multiple channels of Eboni, to see if I could get  
rid of the micro-banding, typical of BO printing with the R200. While  
I've had some luck in the shadows, the mid-range ends up "grainier,"  
and the highs just downright awful. So, I'm about to put the UT2 inks  
in the printer to get that going instead. And, I'll let you know as  
soon as I have some results, and make sure to post the curves on my  
website.

Best regards,

Eric
www.ericashworth.net

On Sep 13, 2005, at 1:10 PM, Jamie Creed wrote:

> Hi Eric,
>
> I'd love to know how your R200 with modified UT2 inkset tests are
> going. I had the same idea last week myself, after reading about
> Clayton Jones BO Eboni setup, and am currently waiting for my carts
> and inks to arrive in the UK. I also intend to be using Epson
> Premium Glossy, Semigloss and Lustre.
>
> regards,
>
> Jamie Creed