QTR-Quadtone RIP

This is a basic question that I'm unclear about.  I have used the Forum Search feature and not come up with a clear answer.

1) If you have the PK (or MK) ink set for 75 and the default blank, does that mean the PK prints at 75% of the maximum amount of ink the printer will release?

2) If you have the PK (or MK) ink set for 75 and the Default Ink Limit at say 50, what is the amount of ink the printer lays down?

3) If you have the PK (or MK) ink set for 75 and a Second ink at 35 with the Default Ink Limit Blank, what is the total max density the printer produces?  Is it 75 + 40 = 115?

4) If you have the PK (or MK) ink set for 75 and a second ink at 40 with the Default Ink Limit at 90, what is the total max density the printer produces? 

Thanks, Terry

Terry,

The default is just that - it is used when there is no ink limit selected
for that channel

So -

>  This is a basic question that I'm unclear about. I have used the Forum
> Search feature and not come up with a clear answer.
>
> 1) If you have the PK (or MK) ink set for 75 and the default blank, does
> that mean the PK prints at 75% of the maximum amount of ink the printer will
> release?
>
Yes  for that PK channel.

> 2) If you have the PK (or MK) ink set for 75 and the Default Ink Limit at
> say 50, what is the amount of ink the printer lays down?
>
75

>
> 3) If you have the PK (or MK) ink set for 75 and a Second ink at 35 with
> the Default Ink Limit Blank, what is the total max density the printer
> produces? Is it 75 + 40 = 115?
>
No this is per channel so you have 75 for PK and 35 for the 2nd ink.
The max density depends on the relative ink densities of the two inks.

>
> 4) If you have the PK (or MK) ink set for 75 and a second ink at 40 with
> the Default Ink Limit at 90, what is the total max density the printer
> produces?
>
 The max density depends on the relative ink densities of the two inks. as
per question (3). Remember the default ink limit is ignored when you set an
ink limit for a channel.

Mike

>
> Thanks, Terry
>
>  
>


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Mike,

Thanks for all of your help. 

Follow up to Q3

3) If you have the PK (or MK) ink set for 75 and a Second ink at 35 with
> the Default Ink Limit Blank, what is the total max density the printer
> produces? Is it 75 + 40 = 115?
>
No this is per channel so you have 75 for PK and 35 for the 2nd ink.
The max density depends on the relative ink densities of the two inks.

I'm using a R800 / R1800 standard Epson Inks and if my second ink is Blue in the above example (PK=75, Blue=40), how is the Relative Ink Density determined?

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Michael King <drmrking@...> wrote:

>
> Terry,
> 
> The default is just that - it is used when there is no ink limit selected
> for that channel
> 
> So -
> 
> >  This is a basic question that I'm unclear about. I have used the Forum
> > Search feature and not come up with a clear answer.
> >
> > 1) If you have the PK (or MK) ink set for 75 and the default blank, does
> > that mean the PK prints at 75% of the maximum amount of ink the printer will
> > release?
> >
> Yes  for that PK channel.
> 
> > 2) If you have the PK (or MK) ink set for 75 and the Default Ink Limit at
> > say 50, what is the amount of ink the printer lays down?
> >
> 75
> 
> >
> > 3) If you have the PK (or MK) ink set for 75 and a Second ink at 35 with
> > the Default Ink Limit Blank, what is the total max density the printer
> > produces? Is it 75 + 40 = 115?
> >
> No this is per channel so you have 75 for PK and 35 for the 2nd ink.
> The max density depends on the relative ink densities of the two inks.
> 
> >
> > 4) If you have the PK (or MK) ink set for 75 and a second ink at 40 with
> > the Default Ink Limit at 90, what is the total max density the printer
> > produces?
> >
>  The max density depends on the relative ink densities of the two inks. as
> per question (3). Remember the default ink limit is ignored when you set an
> ink limit for a channel.
> 
> Mike
> 
> >
> > Thanks, Terry
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Terry,


> 3) If you have the PK (or MK) ink set for 75 and a Second ink at 35 with
> > the Default Ink Limit Blank, what is the total max density the printer
> > produces? Is it 75 + 40 = 115?
> >
> No this is per channel so you have 75 for PK and 35 for the 2nd ink.
> The max density depends on the relative ink densities of the two inks.
>
> I'm using a R800 / R1800 standard Epson Inks and if my second ink is Blue
> in the above example (PK=75, Blue=40), how is the Relative Ink Density
> determined?
>


By printing targets in calibration mode. See
http://www.diallophotography.com/pdfs/QTRworkflow.pdf

What are you actually trying to figure out with these questions?
Might be easier to just ask the question you are trying to answer :)

Mike


>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com <QuadtoneRIP%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Michael King <drmrking@...> wrote:
> >
> > Terry,
> >
> > The default is just that - it is used when there is no ink limit selected
> > for that channel
> >
> > So -
> >
> > > This is a basic question that I'm unclear about. I have used the Forum
> > > Search feature and not come up with a clear answer.
> > >
> > > 1) If you have the PK (or MK) ink set for 75 and the default blank,
> does
> > > that mean the PK prints at 75% of the maximum amount of ink the printer
> will
> > > release?
> > >
> > Yes for that PK channel.
> >
> > > 2) If you have the PK (or MK) ink set for 75 and the Default Ink Limit
> at
> > > say 50, what is the amount of ink the printer lays down?
> > >
> > 75
> >
> > >
> > > 3) If you have the PK (or MK) ink set for 75 and a Second ink at 35
> with
> > > the Default Ink Limit Blank, what is the total max density the printer
> > > produces? Is it 75 + 40 = 115?
> > >
> > No this is per channel so you have 75 for PK and 35 for the 2nd ink.
> > The max density depends on the relative ink densities of the two inks.
> >
> > >
> > > 4) If you have the PK (or MK) ink set for 75 and a second ink at 40
> with
> > > the Default Ink Limit at 90, what is the total max density the printer
> > > produces?
> > >
> > The max density depends on the relative ink densities of the two inks. as
> > per question (3). Remember the default ink limit is ignored when you set
> an
> > ink limit for a channel.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks, Terry
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>  
>


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Mike

Actually trying to understand the "logic" of the settings.  
I see QTR is basically set up for a gray second or third ink (and the relative densities make sense) and my question related to a color ink as a second ink probably doesn't make sense with QTR.

What I have been playing with is how to eliminate the greenish cast I get with printing with the PK only Epson Black ink.

Thanks, Terry

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Michael King <drmrking@...> wrote:

>
>  Terry,
> 
> 
> > 3) If you have the PK (or MK) ink set for 75 and a Second ink at 35 with
> > > the Default Ink Limit Blank, what is the total max density the printer
> > > produces? Is it 75 + 40 = 115?
> > >
> > No this is per channel so you have 75 for PK and 35 for the 2nd ink.
> > The max density depends on the relative ink densities of the two inks.
> >
> > I'm using a R800 / R1800 standard Epson Inks and if my second ink is Blue
> > in the above example (PK=75, Blue=40), how is the Relative Ink Density
> > determined?
> >
> 
> 
> By printing targets in calibration mode. See
> http://www.diallophotography.com/pdfs/QTRworkflow.pdf
> 
> What are you actually trying to figure out with these questions?
> Might be easier to just ask the question you are trying to answer :)
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> >
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com <QuadtoneRIP%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Michael King <drmrking@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Terry,
> > >
> > > The default is just that - it is used when there is no ink limit selected
> > > for that channel
> > >
> > > So -
> > >
> > > > This is a basic question that I'm unclear about. I have used the Forum
> > > > Search feature and not come up with a clear answer.
> > > >
> > > > 1) If you have the PK (or MK) ink set for 75 and the default blank,
> > does
> > > > that mean the PK prints at 75% of the maximum amount of ink the printer
> > will
> > > > release?
> > > >
> > > Yes for that PK channel.
> > >
> > > > 2) If you have the PK (or MK) ink set for 75 and the Default Ink Limit
> > at
> > > > say 50, what is the amount of ink the printer lays down?
> > > >
> > > 75
> > >
> > > >
> > > > 3) If you have the PK (or MK) ink set for 75 and a Second ink at 35
> > with
> > > > the Default Ink Limit Blank, what is the total max density the printer
> > > > produces? Is it 75 + 40 = 115?
> > > >
> > > No this is per channel so you have 75 for PK and 35 for the 2nd ink.
> > > The max density depends on the relative ink densities of the two inks.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > 4) If you have the PK (or MK) ink set for 75 and a second ink at 40
> > with
> > > > the Default Ink Limit at 90, what is the total max density the printer
> > > > produces?
> > > >
> > > The max density depends on the relative ink densities of the two inks. as
> > > per question (3). Remember the default ink limit is ignored when you set
> > an
> > > ink limit for a channel.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, Terry
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Yes you need to add a bit of magenta to the mix to eliminate the greenish
cast.
I would check out Paul Roark's work for more info on this.

Mike

On 27 January 2011 12:15, Terry <TerryGls@...> wrote:

>
>
> Mike
>
> Actually trying to understand the "logic" of the settings.
> I see QTR is basically set up for a gray second or third ink (and the
> relative densities make sense) and my question related to a color ink as a
> second ink probably doesn't make sense with QTR.
>
> What I have been playing with is how to eliminate the greenish cast I get
> with printing with the PK only Epson Black ink.
>
> Thanks, Terry
>
>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com <QuadtoneRIP%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Michael King <drmrking@...> wrote:
> >
> > Terry,
> >
> >
> > > 3) If you have the PK (or MK) ink set for 75 and a Second ink at 35
> with
> > > > the Default Ink Limit Blank, what is the total max density the
> printer
> > > > produces? Is it 75 + 40 = 115?
> > > >
> > > No this is per channel so you have 75 for PK and 35 for the 2nd ink.
> > > The max density depends on the relative ink densities of the two inks.
> > >
> > > I'm using a R800 / R1800 standard Epson Inks and if my second ink is
> Blue
> > > in the above example (PK=75, Blue=40), how is the Relative Ink Density
> > > determined?
> > >
> >
> >
> > By printing targets in calibration mode. See
> > http://www.diallophotography.com/pdfs/QTRworkflow.pdf
> >
> > What are you actually trying to figure out with these questions?
> > Might be easier to just ask the question you are trying to answer :)
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > >
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com <QuadtoneRIP%40yahoogroups.com><QuadtoneRIP%
> 40yahoogroups.com>,
>
> > > Michael King <drmrking@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Terry,
> > > >
> > > > The default is just that - it is used when there is no ink limit
> selected
> > > > for that channel
> > > >
> > > > So -
> > > >
> > > > > This is a basic question that I'm unclear about. I have used the
> Forum
> > > > > Search feature and not come up with a clear answer.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) If you have the PK (or MK) ink set for 75 and the default blank,
> > > does
> > > > > that mean the PK prints at 75% of the maximum amount of ink the
> printer
> > > will
> > > > > release?
> > > > >
> > > > Yes for that PK channel.
> > > >
> > > > > 2) If you have the PK (or MK) ink set for 75 and the Default Ink
> Limit
> > > at
> > > > > say 50, what is the amount of ink the printer lays down?
> > > > >
> > > > 75
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 3) If you have the PK (or MK) ink set for 75 and a Second ink at 35
> > > with
> > > > > the Default Ink Limit Blank, what is the total max density the
> printer
> > > > > produces? Is it 75 + 40 = 115?
> > > > >
> > > > No this is per channel so you have 75 for PK and 35 for the 2nd ink.
> > > > The max density depends on the relative ink densities of the two
> inks.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 4) If you have the PK (or MK) ink set for 75 and a second ink at 40
> > > with
> > > > > the Default Ink Limit at 90, what is the total max density the
> printer
> > > > > produces?
> > > > >
> > > > The max density depends on the relative ink densities of the two
> inks. as
> > > > per question (3). Remember the default ink limit is ignored when you
> set
> > > an
> > > > ink limit for a channel.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks, Terry
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>  
>


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>
> On 27 January 2011 12:15, Terry <TerryGls@...> wrote:
> ...
> > What I have been playing with is how to eliminate the greenish cast I get
> > with printing with the PK only Epson Black ink.
>

I made some profiles for Claria printers some time ago.  They are now in the
QTR R260-MIS Profiles folder.  See the ones that have "N-1" in the names.
 Those are the ones that have magenta (and even yellow for the Aurora paper)
added.

Recently I've been exploring the Noritsu-Epson inks that are sold into the
photo finishing market.  They appear to be bulk Claria inks.  There are a
number of options for using them in B&W.  Some of my initial notes are at
the following URLs.

http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/BW-Dye.pdf

http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/N-BW-VT-1-220.pdf

My interests in these inks comes from their being quite superior on high
gloss media, which I think make good cards and brochures.  They also have
done remarkably well in the Aardengurg Imaging --
http://www.aardenburg-imaging.com/ -- fade tests when sprayed with Print
Shield.  I'm not a fan of these sprays, and for sure will not be spraying my
cards, but for those who want dramatic glossy B&W and just occassionally
want one that is good enough to hang on the wall long term, the sprays make
this possible.  A sprayed Claria black only print is almost as stable as an
Epson UltraChrome "ABW" print.

As a practical matter, I use the 1400 with Eboni-6 (or it's derivatives) as
my main printer.  I've found 4 positions of Eboni are all that are needed.
 So, I'm using the other 2 for other inks.  These will include the Epson
advanced dyes.  See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-4-Plus.pdf  This
PDF is a work in progress.

Hope this is useful to you.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com


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Paul

Thanks for the comments and references...this may help especially if I get into the MIS inks.

Thanks, Terry

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...> wrote:

>
> >
> > On 27 January 2011 12:15, Terry <TerryGls@...> wrote:
> > ...
> > > What I have been playing with is how to eliminate the greenish cast I get
> > > with printing with the PK only Epson Black ink.
> >
> 
> I made some profiles for Claria printers some time ago.  They are now in the
> QTR R260-MIS Profiles folder.  See the ones that have "N-1" in the names.
>  Those are the ones that have magenta (and even yellow for the Aurora paper)
> added.
> 
> Recently I've been exploring the Noritsu-Epson inks that are sold into the
> photo finishing market.  They appear to be bulk Claria inks.  There are a
> number of options for using them in B&W.  Some of my initial notes are at
> the following URLs.
> 
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/BW-Dye.pdf
> 
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/N-BW-VT-1-220.pdf
> 
> My interests in these inks comes from their being quite superior on high
> gloss media, which I think make good cards and brochures.  They also have
> done remarkably well in the Aardengurg Imaging --
> http://www.aardenburg-imaging.com/ -- fade tests when sprayed with Print
> Shield.  I'm not a fan of these sprays, and for sure will not be spraying my
> cards, but for those who want dramatic glossy B&W and just occassionally
> want one that is good enough to hang on the wall long term, the sprays make
> this possible.  A sprayed Claria black only print is almost as stable as an
> Epson UltraChrome "ABW" print.
> 
> As a practical matter, I use the 1400 with Eboni-6 (or it's derivatives) as
> my main printer.  I've found 4 positions of Eboni are all that are needed.
>  So, I'm using the other 2 for other inks.  These will include the Epson
> advanced dyes.  See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-4-Plus.pdf  This
> PDF is a work in progress.
> 
> Hope this is useful to you.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> 
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>