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Laying down ink in a linear fashion

Laying down ink in a linear fashion

2011-10-25 by cheesecraft@xtra.co.nz

I have produced a .quad file that lays down black, magenta and yellow ink equally and in a linear pattern until my desired dmax is reached, this is for producing digital negatives. They print very nicely but need a little tweaking in the highlights. This is quite an undertaking, it seems and to do it myself would require a program in python or something similar. (unless you do it with a curves in an image editing program, which is what I am doing at present)

Is it possible to produce a .qidf file that can mimic the linear ink curves I am producing, so that the linearisation tab on the windows QTR interface could be used instead? Or perhaps so that output from an i1 could be used directly to linearise the ink curves?

Regards
David

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Laying down ink in a linear fashion

2011-10-25 by Paul Roark

I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, but I frequently make
linear curves in QTR in the Curve Creator.  Under the selected ink, the drop
down menu includes "Load curve."  In the next box to appear select the
"Point list" tab.  In that box enter the end points of the curve.  For
example, if I want a linear curve from 0 to 45, the hypothetical ink limit,
 I can enter (0, 0) in the first box and (100, 45) in the next.  This will
draw a straight line between those two points.  The curve preview in the
Point List box shows it.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:41 PM, cheesecraft@... <
cheesecraft@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I have produced a .quad file that lays down black, magenta and yellow ink
> equally and in a linear pattern until my desired dmax is reached, this is
> for producing digital negatives. They print very nicely but need a little
> tweaking in the highlights. This is quite an undertaking, it seems and to do
> it myself would require a program in python or something similar. (unless
> you do it with a curves in an image editing program, which is what I am
> doing at present)
>
> Is it possible to produce a .qidf file that can mimic the linear ink curves
> I am producing, so that the linearisation tab on the windows QTR interface
> could be used instead? Or perhaps so that output from an i1 could be used
> directly to linearise the ink curves?
>
> Regards
> David
>
>  
>


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Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Laying down ink in a linear fashion

2011-10-25 by 228044881 228044881

Thanks so much for that. I will try it.

Regards
David



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Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2011 4:14 AM
Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Laying down ink in a linear fashion


  
I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, but I frequently make
linear curves in QTR in the Curve Creator.  Under the selected ink, the drop
down menu includes "Load curve."  In the next box to appear select the
"Point list" tab.  In that box enter the end points of the curve.  For
example, if I want a linear curve from 0 to 45, the hypothetical ink limit,
I can enter (0, 0) in the first box and (100, 45) in the next.  This will
draw a straight line between those two points.  The curve preview in the
Point List box shows it.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:41 PM, cheesecraft@... <
cheesecraft@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I have produced a .quad file that lays down black, magenta and yellow ink
> equally and in a linear pattern until my desired dmax is reached, this is
> for producing digital negatives. They print very nicely but need a little
> tweaking in the highlights. This is quite an undertaking, it seems and to do
> it myself would require a program in python or something similar. (unless
> you do it with a curves in an image editing program, which is what I am
> doing at present)
>
> Is it possible to produce a .qidf file that can mimic the linear ink curves
> I am producing, so that the linearisation tab on the windows QTR interface
> could be used instead? Or perhaps so that output from an i1 could be used
> directly to linearise the ink curves?
>
> Regards
> David
>
> 
>

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Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Laying down ink in a linear fashion

2011-10-25 by 228044881 228044881

Exactly what I am after. Fantastic.



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Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2011 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Laying down ink in a linear fashion


  
Thanks so much for that. I will try it.

Regards
David

________________________________
From: Paul Roark <roark..paul@...>
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2011 4:14 AM
Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Laying down ink in a linear fashion

  
I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, but I frequently make
linear curves in QTR in the Curve Creator.  Under the selected ink, the drop
down menu includes "Load curve."  In the next box to appear select the
"Point list" tab.  In that box enter the end points of the curve.  For
example, if I want a linear curve from 0 to 45, the hypothetical ink limit,
I can enter (0, 0) in the first box and (100, 45) in the next.  This will
draw a straight line between those two points.  The curve preview in the
Point List box shows it.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:41 PM, cheesecraft@... <
cheesecraft@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I have produced a .quad file that lays down black, magenta and yellow ink
> equally and in a linear pattern until my desired dmax is reached, this is
> for producing digital negatives. They print very nicely but need a little
> tweaking in the highlights. This is quite an undertaking, it seems and to do
> it myself would require a program in python or something similar. (unless
> you do it with a curves in an image editing program, which is what I am
> doing at present)
>
> Is it possible to produce a .qidf file that can mimic the linear ink curves
> I am producing, so that the linearisation tab on the windows QTR interface
> could be used instead? Or perhaps so that output from an i1 could be used
> directly to linearise the ink curves?
>
> Regards
> David
>
> 
>

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Re: Laying down ink in a linear fashion

2011-10-26 by gmikol

Why do it this way, Paul?

Why not just set the ink limit to 45 (based on your example), and gamma=1, highlight and shadow=0? Then you still have the curve field available for other purposes.

--Greg

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...> wrote:
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>
> I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, but I frequently make
> linear curves in QTR in the Curve Creator.  Under the selected ink, the drop
> down menu includes "Load curve."  In the next box to appear select the
> "Point list" tab.  In that box enter the end points of the curve.  For
> example, if I want a linear curve from 0 to 45, the hypothetical ink limit,
>  I can enter (0, 0) in the first box and (100, 45) in the next.  This will
> draw a straight line between those two points.  The curve preview in the
> Point List box shows it.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:41 PM, cheesecraft@... <
> cheesecraft@...> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > I have produced a .quad file that lays down black, magenta and yellow ink
> > equally and in a linear pattern until my desired dmax is reached, this is
> > for producing digital negatives. They print very nicely but need a little
> > tweaking in the highlights. This is quite an undertaking, it seems and to do
> > it myself would require a program in python or something similar. (unless
> > you do it with a curves in an image editing program, which is what I am
> > doing at present)
> >
> > Is it possible to produce a .qidf file that can mimic the linear ink curves
> > I am producing, so that the linearisation tab on the windows QTR interface
> > could be used instead? Or perhaps so that output from an i1 could be used
> > directly to linearise the ink curves?
> >
> > Regards
> > David
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Laying down ink in a linear fashion

2011-10-26 by Paul Roark

There are usually multiple ways to do things.  I, like most, probably just
got comfortable with one approach and continue to use it.

For me, 2 points and a line are easy to grasp.  So that is how a draw a
straight line in QTR.

I don't generally use the gamma, shadow and highlight adjustments in QTR.  I
try to limit variables by leaving things at their defaults.  Among other
things, this probably minimizes error.  I also think default settings are
usually the center points of assumptions and compromises that were probably
part of the original design.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com


On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 9:04 AM, gmikol <gmikol@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
>
> Why do it this way, Paul?
>
> Why not just set the ink limit to 45 (based on your example), and gamma=1,
> highlight and shadow=0? Then you still have the curve field available for
> other purposes.
>
> --Greg
>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, but I frequently make
> > linear curves in QTR in the Curve Creator. Under the selected ink, the
> drop
> > down menu includes "Load curve." In the next box to appear select the
> > "Point list" tab. In that box enter the end points of the curve. For
> > example, if I want a linear curve from 0 to 45, the hypothetical ink
> limit,
> > I can enter (0, 0) in the first box and (100, 45) in the next. This will
> > draw a straight line between those two points. The curve preview in the
> > Point List box shows it.
> >
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:41 PM, cheesecraft@... <
> > cheesecraft@...> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > I have produced a .quad file that lays down black, magenta and yellow
> ink
> > > equally and in a linear pattern until my desired dmax is reached, this
> is
> > > for producing digital negatives. They print very nicely but need a
> little
> > > tweaking in the highlights. This is quite an undertaking, it seems and
> to do
> > > it myself would require a program in python or something similar.
> (unless
> > > you do it with a curves in an image editing program, which is what I am
> > > doing at present)
> > >
> > > Is it possible to produce a .qidf file that can mimic the linear ink
> curves
> > > I am producing, so that the linearisation tab on the windows QTR
> interface
> > > could be used instead? Or perhaps so that output from an i1 could be
> used
> > > directly to linearise the ink curves?
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > David
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>  
>


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Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Laying down ink in a linear fashion

2011-10-26 by 228044881 228044881

That may work if you want all ink curves to be identical, i dont know because i have not tried it, but what if you wanted less black or yellow ink? You need a different gradient to that curve and cant do it with a global variable.



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From: gmikol <gmikol@...>
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Sent: Thursday, 27 October 2011 5:04 AM
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Laying down ink in a linear fashion


  

Why do it this way, Paul?

Why not just set the ink limit to 45 (based on your example), and gamma=1, highlight and shadow=0? Then you still have the curve field available for other purposes.

--Greg

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark <roark.paul@....> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, but I frequently make
> linear curves in QTR in the Curve Creator.  Under the selected ink, the drop
> down menu includes "Load curve."  In the next box to appear select the
> "Point list" tab.  In that box enter the end points of the curve.  For
> example, if I want a linear curve from 0 to 45, the hypothetical ink limit,
>  I can enter (0, 0) in the first box and (100, 45) in the next.  This will
> draw a straight line between those two points.  The curve preview in the
> Point List box shows it.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:41 PM, cheesecraft@... <
> cheesecraft@...> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > I have produced a .quad file that lays down black, magenta and yellow ink
> > equally and in a linear pattern until my desired dmax is reached, this is
> > for producing digital negatives. They print very nicely but need a little
> > tweaking in the highlights. This is quite an undertaking, it seems and to do
> > it myself would require a program in python or something similar. (unless
> > you do it with a curves in an image editing program, which is what I am
> > doing at present)
> >
> > Is it possible to produce a .qidf file that can mimic the linear ink curves
> > I am producing, so that the linearisation tab on the windows QTR interface
> > could be used instead? Or perhaps so that output from an i1 could be used
> > directly to linearise the ink curves?
> >
> > Regards
> > David
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>


 

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Re: Laying down ink in a linear fashion

2011-10-26 by gmikol

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, 228044881 228044881 <cheesecraft@...> wrote:
>
> That may work if you want all ink curves to be identical, i dont know because i have not tried it, but what if you wanted less black or yellow ink? You need a different gradient to that curve and cant do it with a global variable.


You can set separate limits for each channel in the Windows GUI (and in the text files if you're on a Mac).

But I think Paul has a point. The way he does it works just fine, makes sense to his brain & he's comfortable with it. They way I do it also works, and makes more sense to my brain.

Don't assume that any one person's way is the absolute right way of doing things. It helps to be aware of all the different capabilities of the tool (and methods of working with it), and then figure out what works best for you.

--Greg

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