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Sequencer length double.... Chris ?

Sequencer length double.... Chris ?

2004-09-28 by darkstr1746@comcast.net

Ok Chris, you got my full attention on this one. Care to elaborate??. I think i have it conceptualy but i'm not sure how to patch it up.
kind regards
john duval
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With either, of course, you may run two rows into an ACPR to "double" the sequence length.


banana cables, where do you get yours?

2004-09-28 by Ryan Ryan

Hey, I'm curious as to where some of u get your banana cables? i'm pickin up a serge whic hshould be arriving in a few weeks, and i'm wondering, wher eto get banana cables? i'm getting 12 with the unit, but i know i'll need more! i looked on the cyndustries site, but it seems so expensive, is this just hte way it is? that banana cables are expensive? Is it relatively easy to make your own? I'd really like to have everything prepared for when it arrives. The worst would be to only be able to patch a sine wave out :-/ also what is a good method to get from your banana jack outs from the mixer into a a mixer with 1/4" inputs? a banana to 1/4" cable? hrmm

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Re: banana cables, where do you get yours?

2004-09-28 by John P

Banana cables are expensive but they last forever.

Ryan Ryan wrote:
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> Hey, I'm curious as to where some of u get your banana cables? i'm
> pickin up a serge whic hshould be arriving in a few weeks, and i'm
> wondering, wher eto get banana cables? i'm getting 12 with the
> unit, but i know i'll need more! i looked on the cyndustries site,
> but it seems so expensive, is this just hte way it is? that banana
> cables are expensive? Is it relatively easy to make your own?
> I'd really like to have everything prepared for when it arrives.
> The worst would be to only be able to patch a sine wave out :-/
> also what is a good method to get from your banana jack outs from
> the mixer into a a mixer with 1/4" inputs? a banana to 1/4" cable?
> hrmm
>
>
>
> -ryan
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Re: Sequencer length double.... Chris ?

2004-09-28 by srmaietta

--Serge newbie stepping forward--

I envision it as this.. run seq row "A" into one "side" or the
xfader of the ACPR, run row "B" into the other side, run the output
to whatever youre controlling. then, use the last step or gate of the
sequence (somehow) to fade from rows A to B.. then it will fade back
and fourth between rows. cool Cnceptually..yeah.. patch details?
nope. .

~Steve
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--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, darkstr1746@c... wrote:
> Ok Chris, you got my full attention on this one. Care to
elaborate??. I think i have it conceptualy but i'm not sure how to
patch it up.
> kind regards
> john duval
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> With either, of course, you may run two rows into an ACPR
to "double" the sequence length.
>
>

Re: Sequencer length double.... Chris ?

2004-09-29 by RSA

The manual to the Doepfer A-155? sequencer describes how to do this, maybe it is applicable to the Serge as well, with different modules of course...
- RSA

srmaietta <srmaietta@...> wrote:
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--Serge newbie stepping forward--

I envision it as this.. run seq row "A" into one "side" or the
xfader of the ACPR, run row "B" into the other side, run the output
to whatever youre controlling. then, use the last step or gate of the
sequence (somehow) to fade from rows A to B.. then it will fade back
and fourth between rows. cool Cnceptually..yeah.. patch details?
nope. .

~Steve


--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, darkstr1746@c... wrote:
> Ok Chris, you got my full attention on this one. Care to
elaborate??. I think i have it conceptualy but i'm not sure how to
patch it up.
> kind regards
> john duval
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> With either, of course, you may run two rows into an ACPR
to "double" the sequence length.
>
>



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Re: Sequencer length double.... Chris ?

2004-09-29 by James R. Coplin

Well, I can think of a couple of ways but not a real elegant solution yet.

The easiest would be to use a programmer. Take the clock into a /n comparator (or pulse divider whichever you have more of) set to the sequence length, use the divided output as the clock in of a programmer. Set the programmer to reset after 2 steps. Use the first step to set the pan all the way to input one on the acpr and the other step to set it to input 2. This works but is a real waste of a programmer.

Alternately you could use a USG! (Massive groans from the group, “not this guy again...”)

Take the clock into the pulse divider or /n again but set for *twice* the length of the sequence. i.e. a 4 step sequence you want the divider set to 8. Take the divided out pulse into the trigger on the USG. Set the rise and fall time so that the USG goes through one complete cycle in the sequence length time (here 4 steps). Use the gate out to drive the pan. This is a bit fiddly to get perfect but works. It makes up for being fiddly in that you only need a pulse div or /n and a USG. Next week I’ll show how to use the USG to create a lovely meal for 4 dinner guests! Later!

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Subject: [SergeModular] Sequencer length double.... Chris ?

Ok Chris, you got my full attention on this one. Care to elaborate??. I think i have it conceptualy but i'm not sure how to patch it up.

kind regards

john duval

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With either, of course, you may run two rows into an ACPR to "double" the sequence length.



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Re: Sequencer length double.... Chris ?

2004-09-30 by James R. Coplin

Anyone successfully wired up a flip-flop with a pair of blogs? I only have the ons blog so I can’t try it. Alternately, can a nand gate be constructed with an or, xor, not and some other modules?

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Re: Sequencer length double.... Chris ?

2004-09-30 by Peter Grenader

a VCA can do AND easily enough, as far as inverting its output you could with a dual processor. The must be an easier way to invert the polarity of a logic signal than tying up two processors however

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Re: Sequencer length double.... Chris ?

2004-09-30 by Peter Grenader

James R. Coplin wrote:

Anyone successfully wired up a flip-flop with a pair of blogs? I only have the ons blog so I can¹t try it. Alternately, can a nand gate be constructed with an or, xor, not and some other modules?


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Re: Sequencer length double.... Chris ?

2004-09-30 by John P

As long as the sequencer speed is fixed, you can use a USG, triggered
from the last stage, and set to 2x the duration of the sequence length.

James R. Coplin wrote:
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> Anyone successfully wired up a flip-flop with a pair of blogs? I only
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> constructed with an or, xor, not and some other modules?
>
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Re: Sequencer length double.... Chris ?

2004-09-30 by James R. Coplin

How does this give me a flip flop? If I pulse it again it will go high again
not low. I'm not understanding something here.

Peter's suggestion of using a VCA for an AND gate and the other inverter on
the BLOG would give me 2 NAND's. I have to try to hook them up and I'm
skeptical they will work.

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> As long as the sequencer speed is fixed, you can use a USG, triggered
> from the last stage, and set to 2x the duration of the sequence length.
>
> James R. Coplin wrote:
>
> > Anyone successfully wired up a flip-flop with a pair of blogs? I only
> > have the ons blog so I can't try it. Alternately, can a nand gate be
> > constructed with an or, xor, not and some other modules?
> >
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Re: Sequencer length double.... Chris ?

2004-09-30 by John P

if the USG period is 2x the sequence length, you have the divide-by-2
you want.
Use the USG gate out as your ACPR control, set rise and fall times
equal. It'll take a little adjusting but it'll work without consuming
all your gear.

John P wrote:
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>As long as the sequencer speed is fixed, you can use a USG, triggered
>from the last stage, and set to 2x the duration of the sequence length.
>
>James R. Coplin wrote:
>
>
>
>>Anyone successfully wired up a flip-flop with a pair of blogs? I only
>>have the ons blog so I can’t try it. Alternately, can a nand gate be
>>constructed with an or, xor, not and some other modules?
>>
>>James R. Coplin
>>
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best way to convert banana jacks to 1/4" and 1/8" and vise versa?

2004-09-30 by Ryan Ryan



Hey I'm wondering waht's the best way for this ? There seems to be the modcan module that interfaces them, but this seems a bit pricey for just some converters. are there jacks one can get that can convert banan jack to 1/8" and 1/4"

basically i'm wondering how i will get audio from serge to my mixing board, and how i will get cv/gate to the serge from my midi converter which is 1/8"

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Re: best way to convert banana jacks to 1/4" and 1/8" and vise vers

2004-09-30 by Peter Grenader

Easiest/best way: Very potent magic.




Ryan Ryan wrote:
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Hey I'm wondering waht's the best way for this ? There seems to be the modcan module that interfaces them, but this seems a bit pricey for just some converters. are there jacks one can get that can convert banan jack to 1/8" and 1/4"

basically i'm wondering how i will get audio from serge to my mixing board, and how i will get cv/gate to the serge from my midi converter which is 1/8"



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Re: best way to convert banana jacks to 1/4" and 1/8" and vise vers

2004-09-30 by not known

the modcan one will do banana to 1/4", but if you need
banana to 1/8" as well, you may want to have a look at
this:

http://www.synthesizers.com/q120.html

or, if you need more converters than the q120 offers,
there are also these:

http://www.synthesizers.com/q121.html

http://www.synthesizers.com/q122.html

a bit cheaper than the modcan interface...
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> Hey I'm wondering waht's the best way for this ?
> There seems to be the modcan module that interfaces
> them, but this seems a bit pricey for just some
> converters. are there jacks one can get that can
> convert banan jack to 1/8" and 1/4"
>
> basically i'm wondering how i will get audio from
> serge to my mixing board, and how i will get cv/gate
> to the serge from my midi converter which is 1/8"



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Re: best way to convert banana jacks to 1/4" and 1/8" and vise vers

2004-09-30 by Michael A. Firman

I just went down to the local RadioShak (USA) and got a utility box, eight
1/4" jacks and eight 1/8" jacks. I had nine banana jacks sitting around
(the extra is for signal ground - don't forget that!) and some hookup wire
and solder. Presto a protocol converter (via somewhat potent magic).
I can post a picture of it if you would like.
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>
> Hey I'm wondering waht's the best way for this ? There seems to be the modcan module
that interfaces them, but this seems a bit pricey for just some converters. are there jacks
one can get that can convert banan jack to 1/8" and 1/4"
>
> basically i'm wondering how i will get audio from serge to my mixing board, and how i
will get cv/gate to the serge from my midi converter which is 1/8"
>
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Re: best way to convert banana jacks to 1/4" and 1/8" and vise vers

2004-09-30 by srmaietta

Isn't there a document in the files section that details how to do
this??

both machines have to be grounded together (wire with spade plugs on
both ends connected to the chassis of both machines). And then you
can take the live signal from a banana and solder it to the tip of
your 1/4 jack.

basically

~Steve

Re: Sequencer length double.... Chris ?

2004-09-30 by James R. Coplin

That's the solution I had posted yesterday...

Different but related question...

Patching up the USG this way is fiddly. If you could wire up a flip-flop,
you would have a much cleaner, and non-speed dependent way of extending the
sequence length.

Anyone?

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> To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [SergeModular] Re: Sequencer length double.... Chris ?
>
> if the USG period is 2x the sequence length, you have the divide-by-2
> you want.
> Use the USG gate out as your ACPR control, set rise and fall times
> equal. It'll take a little adjusting but it'll work without consuming
> all your gear.
>
> John P wrote:
>
> >As long as the sequencer speed is fixed, you can use a USG, triggered
> >from the last stage, and set to 2x the duration of the sequence length.
> >
> >James R. Coplin wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Anyone successfully wired up a flip-flop with a pair of blogs? I only
> >>have the ons blog so I can't try it. Alternately, can a nand gate be
> >>constructed with an or, xor, not and some other modules?
> >>
> >>James R. Coplin
> >>
> >>***************
> >>
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> >>
> >>simply tell them i've gone out the window
> >>
> >>for a spot of tea and am not
> >>
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Re: best way to convert banana jacks to 1/4" and 1/8" and vise vers

2004-09-30 by Ryan Ryan

it says 1/4" to banana jack? but what bout banana jack to 1/4" :<

Les Mizzell <lesmizz@...> wrote:
Ryan Ryan wrote:


> Hey I'm wondering waht's the best way for this ? There seems to be
> the modcan module that interfaces them, but this seems a bit pricey
> for just some converters. are there jacks one can get that can
> convert banan jack to 1/8" and 1/4"


http://www.synthesizers.com/q121.html

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Re: Sequencer length double.... Chris ?

2004-09-30 by yahoo@hearn.to

I can't find Chris's original post, but I think the proposed solutions are =
way more
complicated than what he probably had in mind...

I'm assuming we're discussing a SEQ8? You are all trying to play all eight =
A settings, then
all eight B settings. But if you just want to double the length, it's much =
easier to alternate
A and B every step. Go by rows, not columns! Then just use a square wave as=
the clock,
and also as the ACPR vc xfade input. That's all you need! (Or am I missing =
something?)

BTW, let me (re-)introduce myself to the list. I'm Bob Hearn. I'm a long-ti=
me Mac
programmer who's returned to grad school (MIT AI Lab - but living in Vancou=
ver, BC - it's
complicated...). I've had a 7-panel Serge for a few years now, but alas spe=
nd far too little
time with it. I've finally got it nicely configured and rack-mounted next t=
o my desk, so it
should be easier to play with going forward. That's the stage I'm at - play=
ing. It will be a
while, if ever, before I reach the point I can make sounds I'd actually wan=
t to record.

Also BTW, a quick question about the DSG. The wizardry page states "When th=
e cycle starts
a gate trigger output goes low. When the cycle is finished, it goes high."=
That's not quite
what I see on my system. It does go high when the cycle is finished, but I =
can't tell what
the condition is that makes it go low - it goes low some way into the cycle=
, but not right
away, and not just when the output starts falling. ??? Also - anyone else n=
otice that the
bipolar output is inverted?

Bob
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--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, darkstr1746@c... wrote:
> Ok Chris, you got my full attention on this one. Care to elaborate??. I t=
hink i have it
conceptualy but i'm not sure how to patch it up.
> kind regards
> john duval
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> With either, of course, you may run two rows into an ACPR to "double" th=
e sequence
length.

Could be big (bad) news

2004-09-30 by Peter Grenader

There are rumors that the CA3080 chip is going out of production. They are
all over Serge's. Could be a problem down the years for service.

Re: Could be big (bad) news

2004-09-30 by James R. Coplin

OK, dumb question. Is the CA3080e the same as the CA3080? I see both as
valid products but can't find a data sheet. Anyone?

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> To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [SergeModular] Could be big (bad) news
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> There are rumors that the CA3080 chip is going out of production. They
> are
> all over Serge's. Could be a problem down the years for service.
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Re: Could be big (bad) news

2004-09-30 by Peter Grenader

Yes - but the suffix doesn't change functionality. There's been a
discussion on the SDIY list going that the 3080 series is on it's way out.


ames R. Coplin wrote:
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> OK, dumb question. Is the CA3080e the same as the CA3080? I see both as
> valid products but can't find a data sheet. Anyone?
>
> James R. Coplin
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> If anyone asks of my whereabouts,
> simply tell them i've gone out the window
> for a spot of tea and am not
> expected back any time soon.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peter Grenader [mailto:peter@...]
>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 6:55 PM
>> To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [SergeModular] Could be big (bad) news
>>
>> There are rumors that the CA3080 chip is going out of production. They
>> are
>> all over Serge's. Could be a problem down the years for service.
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>> Keep on Patchin'!
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>> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: Sequencer length double.... Chris ? (I'm back)

2004-10-06 by paradigmshiftbeats

My apologies to John and others for this late reply, but I've been
out of pocket for the last week. Such a good thing I wasn't around
to answer quickly, though, as I see the original question spun off
an interesting flip-flop thread, not to mention the re-emergence of
Bob Hearn (welcome back, and keep the great contributions coming!)

I won't re-hash his and others' solutions but will add a couple bits
based on my own experience. I have used the NCOM(PDIV)-USG solution
posted by James as well as the square wave approach Bob suggests.

While James calls his method less "elegant," I have used this with
good results when triggering sequences from external clock sources,
including midi-cv devices, for which Bob's technique may not work.
As far as I can tell, the critical issue is the pulse width of the
external trigger/gate.

I don't have a VC Clock and neither do I typically use my NTO to
trigger sequences, so my experience with Bob's approach has been
limited to DTGs as clock source. However, I discovered that using
*different* settings for the rise and fall times can yield some
interesting syncopated results, especially when using non-binary
sequence lengths. So while a square wave is ideal for producing
evenly-timed A1/B1/A2/B2/etc sequences, you might find the lack of
perfect symmetry more musically pleasing.

Along these same lines, try using the NCOM/PDIV in James' patch at
settings other than exact doubles (such as /7 with an SQP4) to get
nice sequence permutations that eventually cycle.

Enjoy,

Chris

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