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Pet Mods?

Pet Mods?

2004-12-08 by John P

Anybody care to share some mods they like, or would like to see?

I would like to see, instead of the 1v/oct input on the DSG, a red-logic
input that when "high", causes the DSG to oscillate as if GATE OUT and
TRIG IN were tied together with a patchcord. This would give you the
ability to generate integral numbers of waveform cycles. Sort of like a
burst generator. I think I've had other patches set up to do something
like this but it's tricky just using stock modules.

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Re: Pet Mods?

2004-12-08 by John P

Oh, here's another one.... DC coupling on the ring mod. Then the Ring
Mod can be used as a spare VCA, and odd control-voltage and audio
inversion tricks can be done.

John P wrote:
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>Anybody care to share some mods they like, or would like to see?
>
>I would like to see, instead of the 1v/oct input on the DSG, a red-logic
>input that when "high", causes the DSG to oscillate as if GATE OUT and
>TRIG IN were tied together with a patchcord. This would give you the
>ability to generate integral numbers of waveform cycles. Sort of like a
>burst generator. I think I've had other patches set up to do something
>like this but it's tricky just using stock modules.
>
>
>

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[FS] ancient pre sts serge panels, cheap!:-)

2004-12-08 by Ryan Ryan

I'm going to give this a go on here first, and if it doesn't sell here then to AH, and if it doesnt' sell there, then to the ebay:-) only selling this cuz i just bought a big wiard modular to pay off:-)

these are pre-sts modules, and i believe there's a discountinued module or 2 in here, and there's 1 or 2 newer STS era modules in it. btw, the filters sound amazing! It was just gone over, and fixed up by Peter Grenader, who added 2 custom modules on it too. unfortunately 1 module got damaged in shippin, i think it might simply be a broken jack, I'm going to look into that more and hopefully it'll get fixed. Perhaps though before shipping it to the winning customer, if i can't figure out what's wrong with it(the module, actually half a module, it's one part of a dual mixer), i'll send to that panel to Peter, to see what he can do about it?:-)

btw, this serge is a very ugly serge, the front panel is paper, and hand written.

here's the listinng of modules in panel + price

Panel 1 vco, vco, vco, triple comparator, triple waveshaper, dual mixer(one part of this mixer is the non working one) $1350 for this panel

panel 2:noise module(one of Peter's designs), S+H(another one of Peter's designs), vcf(older style, very sweet and warm sounding), Resonant Equalizer(A newer STS era module), Ring mod, VCA bank(3 vcas), Dual Mixer, Triple Bi-Directional Router, Send+ recieve. $1500 for this panel.

Panel 3: mixer(sts module)x2 I'm not sure if both are STS, i know one is, VCF(older and sweet sounding one as well, Dual Proccessor, Envelope Generator, Dual Negative Slew, Dual Positive Slew $1450 for this panel.

I hope these prices seem reasonable to people here. They're about $1000 less than STS era, and they are pretty damn similar internally, no ?:-)

btw, i will sell these all together for 4200 and will include a very capable PSU from Peter Grenader, really nice one, and wooden cabinet, which has power distributer.

any questions feel free to ask me:-)

-ryan

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Re: Pet Mods?

2004-12-08 by darkstr1746@comcast.net

I have a panel coming that has four ADSRs in it and a DTG. The DTG is split in half so that one half has the "sig in" jack and the other half has a "cycle" switch. The gate out is hard wired to the trigger in of all the ADSRs. Eash one of those has a two postiton switch which enables it to be tied into that DTG hardwire. So i can have any combination of ADSRs linked to the gate of the DTG.
I'm about to order a NTO panel with a BUFF as the starting left side module. Each NTO will have a three position switch that will connect it to either the top or bottom half of the BUFF. Center position will be "off".
What say ye all??
kind regards
john duval
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-------------- Original message --------------
Anybody care to share some mods they like, or would like to see?

I would like to see, instead of the 1v/oct input on the DSG, a red-logic
input that when "high", causes the DSG to oscillate as if GATE OUT and
TRIG IN were tied together with a patchcord. This would give you the
ability to generate integral numbers of waveform cycles. Sort of like a
burst generator. I think I've had other patches set up to do something
like this but it's tricky just using stock modules.

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Re: Pet Mods?

2004-12-08 by paradigmshiftbeats

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, John P <johnp299792@a...> wrote:
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> Anybody care to share some mods they like, or would like to see?

I thought it would be neat to mod the DSG VC-IN so that when "both"
is selected the incoming voltage affects the rise positively and the
fall negatively (and vice versa). In my mind this would allow you to
change the pulse width and saw/triangle shape without affecting the
module's basic frequency (if oscillating) or overall envelope period
(if gated/triggered).

This could also be done to a DTG, though without a rise/both/fall
switch you would lose the ability to VC its frequency.

I have also envisioned an SQP16, similar to the TKB but with stage
select inputs and push buttons instead of touch pads. There should
also be room for a built-in quantizer.

Finally, how about a souped up Resonant EQ with VC inputs for each
band's amplitude? I could burn a lot of time exploring that one!

Chris

Re: [FS] ancient pre sts serge panels, cheap!:-)

2004-12-08 by Peter Grenader

Note:

the VCOs in this system are pre PCO and very sweet. The Envelope Generator
is not the Extended ADSR, but the long-extinct AR. Pre transient generator
and a really great module which will get down to about a 1ms cycle time and
as long as about 6 minutes. VC duration, self cycling, end pulse out and
his infamous 'window' port which basically gives a positive ramp out which
can be adjusted to last as long as the entire envelope. I wish Serge would
have kept making these. they're great. I'd like to have a few of these
myself.

The Sample & Hold I made for this has separate stepped and smooth outputs,
with pots to adjust the outputs level and the slew time of the smooth out.
It is congenitally placed right next to the noise generator I added, which
is based of Ray Wilson's design and white only. The Sample and Hold is my
own and based on the LF398. You can see a schematic here. although the one
in Ryan's system has a buffered lag not shown in this diagram:

http://www.buzzclick-music.com/sample_hold.jpg

In that this system had no LEDs, I elected not to install one in the S+H.

The power supply is a dual Power One (two supplies tied to create the +/-
12). They are housed in a stand alone aluminum chassis, fused with a power
switch and an external ground terminal. The supplies are good for about 1.2
ampsd and super clean and like all Power Ones, very well protected - they
will in most cases fold back before the fuse blows. They connect to the main
unit via a cinch-jones (sp?) connector. I used a 7806 for the six volt line
which is also housed in the chassis box

I added a power distribution panel in the back of the instruments chassis so
that each panel, which comes in it's own aluminum boat, can be disconnected
via it's own power connector) easily. The boats are 17 inches wide. Add
rack ears and you're set.

This unit was in excellent condition for its age internally. I've seen
Serge's which were much newer in a much poorer condition.

I'd be more than happy to repair the mixer problem in this panel for free.
I think the carton took a fall during shipping to Ryan, although it was
packed like King Tutt, with about 4 inches of large cell bubble warp and
about 5 inches of ghost turds all the way around.

All questionable pots have been replaced - electrolytics in critical areas
have been replaced as well. It's in good working order.

if I can be of further assistance to anyone here about this, let me know.


Ryan Ryan wrote:

I'm going to give this a go on here first, and if it doesn't sell here then
to AH, and if it doesnt' sell there, then to the ebay:-) only selling this
cuz i just bought a big wiard modular to pay off:-)

these are pre-sts modules, and i believe there's a discountinued module or 2
in here, and there's 1 or 2 newer STS era modules in it. btw, the filters
sound amazing! It was just gone over, and fixed up by Peter Grenader, who
added 2 custom modules on it too. unfortunately 1 module got damaged in
shippin, i think it might simply be a broken jack, I'm going to look into
that more and hopefully it'll get fixed. Perhaps though before shipping it
to the winning customer, if i can't figure out what's wrong with it(the
module, actually half a module, it's one part of a dual mixer), i'll send to
that panel to Peter, to see what he can do about it?:-)

btw, this serge is a very ugly serge, the front panel is paper, and hand
written.

here's the listinng of modules in panel + price

Panel 1 vco, vco, vco, triple comparator, triple waveshaper, dual mixer(one
part of this mixer is the non working one) $1350 for this panel

panel 2:noise module(one of Peter's designs), S+H(another one of Peter's
designs), vcf(older style, very sweet and warm sounding), Resonant
Equalizer(A newer STS era module), Ring mod, VCA bank(3 vcas), Dual Mixer,
Triple Bi-Directional Router, Send+ recieve. $1500 for this panel.

Panel 3: mixer(sts module)x2 I'm not sure if both are STS, i know one is,
VCF(older and sweet sounding one as well, Dual Proccessor, Envelope
Generator, Dual Negative Slew, Dual Positive Slew $1450 for this panel.

I hope these prices seem reasonable to people here. They're about $1000 less
than STS era, and they are pretty damn similar internally, no ?:-)

btw, i will sell these all together for 4200 and will include a very capable
PSU from Peter Grenader, really nice one, and wooden cabinet, which has
power distributer.

any questions feel free to ask me:-)



-ryan


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Re: Pet Mods?

2004-12-08 by darkstr1746@comcast.net

The VC of each Resonant step would be very cool and it is something that i have mentioned to Rex for several years. The other thing i thought would be cool would be for each band to have it's own output and then a "mix" at the top. That would make for one rather large module don't you think. And of course i'm sure the price tag would be equaly as large. bummer : (
I really dig the SQP16 idea. With stage select inputs and a quantizer, it would be a nifty addition. And of course we'd insist on having the ability for each row to accept it's own clock input..... and independent reversal and hold function. Last time i brought this up i was asked if i wanted to fork over the R&D and tool up money to get the thing into reality. I haven't mentioned it since. LOL
kind regards
john duval
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-------------- Original message --------------

I have also envisioned an SQP16, similar to the TKB but with stage
select inputs and push buttons instead of touch pads. There should
also be room for a built-in quantizer.

Finally, how about a souped up Resonant EQ with VC inputs for each
band's amplitude? I could burn a lot of time exploring that one!

Chris







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Re: Pet Mods?

2004-12-08 by John P

couldn't you just do this with a bank of say 4 VCFQ's + a mixer? Then
when you're tired of listening to resonating spectra, you'd still have 4
VCFQ's + a mixer to do other things.

darkstr1746@... wrote:
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> The VC of each Resonant step would be very cool and it is something
> that i have mentioned to Rex for several years.
>


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Re: Pet Mods?

2004-12-08 by cuari7

I would LOVE for the the DSG to have the option of giving a true
attack/decay envelope, like the Buchla one. This is something we've
discussed already here ad nauseaum, but boy, I still wish we had it.
If any of you guys can do this mod, I'm willing to pay $$.......

Re: Pet Mods?

2004-12-08 by darkstr1746@comcast.net

Well, wouldn't you need to "tune" each filter to correspond to it's counterpart on the ResEQ? this idea was just off the top of my head......but on further consideration, VC attenuation of each " eq step" would negate the necessity of each step having it's own output. The common out at the top would suffice. Think of the wonderful possibilitie that arise if you could have multiple ADSRs controling differen't "eq steps". You could get static note "sequences" based on amplitude and tone.from one note. And with the addition of extra notes....... whew!! LOL
kind regards
john duval
Show quoted textHide quoted text
-------------- Original message --------------
couldn't you just do this with a bank of say 4 VCFQ's + a mixer? Then
when you're tired of listening to resonating spectra, you'd still have 4
VCFQ's + a mixer to do other things.

darkstr1746@... wrote:

> The VC of each Resonant step would be very cool and it is something
> that i have mentioned to Rex for several years.
>


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Re: Pet Mods?

2004-12-08 by not known

--- darkstr1746@... wrote:
> Well, wouldn't you need to "tune" each filter to
> correspond to it's counterpart on the ResEQ? this
> idea was just off the top of my head......but on
> further consideration, VC attenuation of each " eq
> step" would negate the necessity of each step having
> it's own output. The common out at the top would
> suffice.

I have agreed to keep tight lips on details at the
moment, but let me just say that everyone involved in
this discussion may be pleasantly surprised by
something that is in the pipeline from one of the
other manufacturers...

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Re: Pet Mods?

2004-12-08 by John P

I'm with you 100% on the benefits of the idea, and I was thinking about
the jazzed up RES idea myself.
But then it dawned on me... since I was thinking about getting some more
filters anyway, that would be the way to go. And yes, you'd have to
tune them first to whatever scheme you had in mind. But I given the
choice between flexibility & convenience, I've always gone with
flexibility... that's why I got the Serge in the first place.....

darkstr1746@... wrote:
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> Well, wouldn't you need to "tune" each filter to correspond to it's
> counterpart on the ResEQ? this idea was just off the top of my
> head......but on further consideration, VC attenuation of each " eq
> step" would negate the necessity of each step having it's own output.
> The common out at the top would suffice. Think of the wonderful
> possibilitie that arise if you could have multiple ADSRs controling
> differen't "eq steps". You could get static note "sequences" based on
> amplitude and tone.from one note. And with the addition of extra
> notes....... whew!! LOL
> kind regards
> john duval
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> couldn't you just do this with a bank of say 4 VCFQ's + a
> mixer? Then
> when you're tired of listening to resonating spectra, you'd still
> have 4
> VCFQ's + a mixer to do other things.
>
> darkstr1746@... wrote:
>
> > The VC of each Resonant step would be very cool and it is something
> > that i have mentioned to Rex for several years.
> >
>
>
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Re: [FS] ancient pre sts serge panels, cheap!:-)

2004-12-09 by Ryan Ryan

ahh forgot to mention, on panel 1 there's also a schmidt trigger.

Ryan Ryan <hal3001@...> wrote:

I'm going to give this a go on here first, and if it doesn't sell here then to AH, and if it doesnt' sell there, then to the ebay:-) only selling this cuz i just bought a big wiard modular to pay off:-)

these are pre-sts modules, and i believe there's a discountinued module or 2 in here, and there's 1 or 2 newer STS era modules in it. btw, the filters sound amazing! It was just gone over, and fixed up by Peter Grenader, who added 2 custom modules on it too. unfortunately 1 module got damaged in shippin, i think it might simply be a broken jack, I'm going to look into that more and hopefully it'll get fixed. Perhaps though before shipping it to the winning customer, if i can't figure out what's wrong with it(the module, actually half a module, it's one part of a dual mixer), i'll send to that panel to Peter, to see what he can do about it?:-)

btw, this serge is a very ugly serge, the front panel is paper, and hand written.

here's the listinng of modules in panel + price

Panel 1 vco, vco, vco, triple comparator, triple waveshaper, dual mixer(one part of this mixer is the non working one) $1350 for this panel

panel 2:noise module(one of Peter's designs), S+H(another one of Peter's designs), vcf(older style, very sweet and warm sounding), Resonant Equalizer(A newer STS era module), Ring mod, VCA bank(3 vcas), Dual Mixer, Triple Bi-Directional Router, Send+ recieve. $1500 for this panel.

Panel 3: mixer(sts module)x2 I'm not sure if both are STS, i know one is, VCF(older and sweet sounding one as well, Dual Proccessor, Envelope Generator, Dual Negative Slew, Dual Positive Slew $1450 for this panel.

I hope these prices seem reasonable to people here. They're about $1000 less than STS era, and they are pretty damn similar internally, no ?:-)

btw, i will sell these all together for 4200 and will include a very capable PSU from Peter Grenader, really nice one, and wooden cabinet, which has power distributer.

any questions feel free to ask me:-)

-ryan

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Re: [FS] ancient pre sts serge panels, cheap!:-) -reduced

2004-12-10 by Ryan Ryan

Hey I am reducing all priceso f each pane by $100, $1250 for panel 1, $1400 for panel 2, and $1350 for panel 3
or sell all 3 panels including a good psu, and a woooden cabinet+power distribution.
ill give this 2 or so more days at this price, and then to AH for the other price
-ryan

Ryan Ryan <hal3001@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text

I'm going to give this a go on here first, and if it doesn't sell here then to AH, and if it doesnt' sell there, then to the ebay:-) only selling this cuz i just bought a big wiard modular to pay off:-)

these are pre-sts modules, and i believe there's a discountinued module or 2 in here, and there's 1 or 2 newer STS era modules in it. btw, the filters sound amazing! It was just gone over, and fixed up by Peter Grenader, who added 2 custom modules on it too. unfortunately 1 module got damaged in shippin, i think it might simply be a broken jack, I'm going to look into that more and hopefully it'll get fixed. Perhaps though before shipping it to the winning customer, if i can't figure out what's wrong with it(the module, actually half a module, it's one part of a dual mixer), i'll send to that panel to Peter, to see what he can do about it?:-)

btw, this serge is a very ugly serge, the front panel is paper, and hand written.

here's the listinng of modules in panel + price

Panel 1 vco, vco, vco, triple comparator, triple waveshaper, dual mixer(one part of this mixer is the non working one) $1350 for this panel

panel 2:noise module(one of Peter's designs), S+H(another one of Peter's designs), vcf(older style, very sweet and warm sounding), Resonant Equalizer(A newer STS era module), Ring mod, VCA bank(3 vcas), Dual Mixer, Triple Bi-Directional Router, Send+ recieve. $1500 for this panel.

Panel 3: mixer(sts module)x2 I'm not sure if both are STS, i know one is, VCF(older and sweet sounding one as well, Dual Proccessor, Envelope Generator, Dual Negative Slew, Dual Positive Slew $1450 for this panel.

I hope these prices seem reasonable to people here. They're about $1000 less than STS era, and they are pretty damn similar internally, no ?:-)

btw, i will sell these all together for 4200 and will include a very capable PSU from Peter Grenader, really nice one, and wooden cabinet, which has power distributer.

any questions feel free to ask me:-)

-ryan

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