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couple of questions

couple of questions

2006-03-01 by simulacreant

will a Serge power supply power Cyndustries/Modcan modules?

are there any significant or known differences between Oakland and
Wisconsin panels?

thanks!

matt

Re: couple of questions

2006-03-01 by darkstr1746@comcast.net

serge power supplies are totaly proprietary.
john duval
no diff between Oakland and Wisconsin
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From: "simulacreant" <mrcarp@...>
will a Serge power supply power Cyndustries/Modcan modules?

are there any significant or known differences between Oakland and
Wisconsin panels?

thanks!

matt



Re: couple of questions

2006-03-02 by Michael A. Firman

Well not completely proprietary. You could build ones
own pretty easily from, say, a PowerOne linear supply.
You would need one that was a dual supply at +-15VDC
(or is it 12? I'm at work right now and can't remember)
and around at least an Amp and a half. The pinouts
(of the panel connectors) can easily be determined.
If you went the route of building your own (i.e. buying
a nice big balls linear supply, getting a nice case,
running lights, switch, connectors, cables, and assorted
hardware) you might save a few pennies over the ones from
Rex, but probably not that much actually (and the time and
energy you need to cut/drill the metal and do the soldering/
hookup might be better spent making cool sounds).
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--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, darkstr1746@... wrote:
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> serge power supplies are totaly proprietary.

> john duval
> no diff between Oakland and Wisconsin
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "simulacreant" <mrcarp@...>
> will a Serge power supply power Cyndustries/Modcan modules?
>
> are there any significant or known differences between Oakland and
> Wisconsin panels?
>
> thanks!
>
> matt
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: couple of questions

2006-03-02 by simulacreant

thanks, guys!

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "Michael A. Firman" <maf@...> wrote:
>
>
> Well not completely proprietary. You could build ones
> own pretty easily from, say, a PowerOne linear supply.
> You would need one that was a dual supply at +-15VDC
> (or is it 12? I'm at work right now and can't remember)
> and around at least an Amp and a half. The pinouts
> (of the panel connectors) can easily be determined.
> If you went the route of building your own (i.e. buying
> a nice big balls linear supply, getting a nice case,
> running lights, switch, connectors, cables, and assorted
> hardware) you might save a few pennies over the ones from
> Rex, but probably not that much actually (and the time and
> energy you need to cut/drill the metal and do the soldering/
> hookup might be better spent making cool sounds).
>
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, darkstr1746@ wrote:
> >
> > serge power supplies are totaly proprietary.
>
> > john duval
> > no diff between Oakland and Wisconsin
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: "simulacreant" <mrcarp@>
> > will a Serge power supply power Cyndustries/Modcan modules?
> >
> > are there any significant or known differences between Oakland and
> > Wisconsin panels?
> >
> > thanks!
> >
> > matt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Keep on Patchin'!
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: couple of questions

2006-03-02 by paradigmshiftbeats

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "Michael A. Firman" <maf@...>
wrote:
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>
> Well not completely proprietary. You could build ones
> own pretty easily from, say, a PowerOne linear supply.
> You would need one that was a dual supply at +-15VDC
> (or is it 12? I'm at work right now and can't remember)

Pretty sure STS is +/-12VDC, whereas Modcan is +/-15VDC

Chris

Re: couple of questions

2006-03-02 by darkstr1746@comcast.net

nice post. Now that you laid it all out, go for it. Save yourself a few bucks ( an illusion after you pay yourself for all the time and labor you put into it). Like i said, . . . . proprietary. LOL Or. . . . you could buy one from Rex . . . . or. . . . buy one from me. Although you don't need a PS 12. I have two of them i'm going to sell on e-bay 'cause no one here wants them.
kind regards
john duval
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From: "Michael A. Firman" <maf@...>

Well not completely proprietary. You could build ones
own pretty easily from, say, a PowerOne linear supply.
You would need one that was a dual supply at +-15VDC
(or is it 12? I'm at work right now and can't remember)
and around at least an Amp and a half. The pinouts
(of the panel connectors) can easily be determined.
If you went the route of building your own (i.e. buying
a nice big balls linear supply, getting a nice case,
running lights, switch, connectors, cables, and assorted
hardware) you might save a few pennies over the ones from
Rex, but probably not that much actually (and the time and
energy you need to cut/drill the metal and do the soldering/
hookup might be better spent making cool sounds).


--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, darkstr1746@... wrote:
>
> serge power supplies are totaly proprietary.

> john duval
> no diff between Oakland and Wisconsin
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "simulacreant" <mrcarp@...>
> will a Serge power supply power Cyndustries/Modcan modules?
>
> are there any significant or known differences between Oakland and
> Wisconsin panels?
>
> thanks!
>
> matt
>
>
>
>
>
> Keep on Patchin'!
>
>
>
>
>
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
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> Visit your group "SergeModular" on the web.
>
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Re: couple of questions

2006-03-03 by Michael A. Firman

I'm home now. It's +-12VDC

The cost of the PowerOne supply (a 1.5Amp version) is around $65.
The cost of a nice case is around $45.
The cost of the rest of the hardware is around $10 to $20 depending on what you do.
The cost of your time, priceless.

The supply that John is selling will satisfy all your Serge needs for a good period of
time.
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--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, darkstr1746@... wrote:
>
> nice post. Now that you laid it all out, go for it. Save yourself a few bucks ( an illusion
after you pay yourself for all the time and labor you put into it). Like i said, . . . .
proprietary. LOL Or. . . . you could buy one from Rex . . . . or. . . . buy one from me.
Although you don't need a PS 12. I have two of them i'm going to sell on e-bay 'cause no
one here wants them.
> kind regards
> john duval
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Michael A. Firman" <maf@...>
>
> Well not completely proprietary. You could build ones
> own pretty easily from, say, a PowerOne linear supply.
> You would need one that was a dual supply at +-15VDC
> (or is it 12? I'm at work right now and can't remember)
> and around at least an Amp and a half. The pinouts
> (of the panel connectors) can easily be determined.
> If you went the route of building your own (i.e. buying
> a nice big balls linear supply, getting a nice case,
> running lights, switch, connectors, cables, and assorted
> hardware) you might save a few pennies over the ones from
> Rex, but probably not that much actually (and the time and
> energy you need to cut/drill the metal and do the soldering/
> hookup might be better spent making cool sounds).
>
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, darkstr1746@ wrote:
> >
> > serge power supplies are totaly proprietary.
>
> > john duval
> > no diff between Oakland and Wisconsin
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: "simulacreant" <mrcarp@>
> > will a Serge power supply power Cyndustries/Modcan modules?
> >
> > are there any significant or known differences between Oakland and
> > Wisconsin panels?
> >
> > thanks!
> >
> > matt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: couple of questions

2006-03-04 by Doug

Hey John - ever take the lid off your Serge power supplies and have a
look at what' inside? You might be surprised... :-)

darkstr1746@... wrote:
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> serge power supplies are totaly proprietary.
> john duval

Re: couple of questions

2006-03-04 by darkstr1746@comcast.net

yes i have. And i know where your going with that. And i do know a couple guys in Europe that have built there own. Let's not split hairs. You know what i'm saying when i use the term "proprietary". I use it loosely, and i'm sure most everyone agrees. : )
kind regards
john duval
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Hey John - ever take the lid off your Serge power supplies and have a
look at what' inside? You might be surprised... :-)

darkstr1746@... wrote:
>
> serge power supplies are totaly proprietary.
> john duval




Re: couple of questions

2006-03-05 by mimulon

Ooooh. What's in them? Some PC ATA supplies?

It's funny to me that people charge a LOT more for power supplies
which output more power. It's like 'more power' = proportional cost.
At the power levels of our equipment uses, it's very silly.
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--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "Doug" <dougt55@...> wrote:
>
> Hey John - ever take the lid off your Serge power supplies and have a
> look at what' inside? You might be surprised... :-)
>
> darkstr1746@ wrote:
> >
> > serge power supplies are totaly proprietary.
> > john duval
>

Re: couple of questions

2006-03-08 by simulacreant

another couple of questions:

is the serge modular planner online, anymore?

any advice or opinions about buying panels 'used'? what about checking
it out once received? get a 30 day money-back guarantee and go through
the Gold Book as quickly as possible to check the functions ;)? (i
have and oscilloscope and fluke multimeter)

does anyone know, offhand, what the lead time for new and custom
panels is, currently?

panels hold 16" of modules, correct?

thanks!!!

matt

Re: couple of questions

2006-03-08 by simulacreant

oops, I meant to ask: what are the payment terms? 50% deposit?

yes, i plan on calling Rex ASAP. but who knows if I'll get a response
right away.
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--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "simulacreant" <mrcarp@...> wrote:
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> another couple of questions:
>
> is the serge modular planner online, anymore?
>
> any advice or opinions about buying panels 'used'? what about checking
> it out once received? get a 30 day money-back guarantee and go through
> the Gold Book as quickly as possible to check the functions ;)? (i
> have and oscilloscope and fluke multimeter)
>
> does anyone know, offhand, what the lead time for new and custom
> panels is, currently?
>
> panels hold 16" of modules, correct?
>
> thanks!!!
>
> matt
>

Re: couple of questions

2006-03-08 by John P

I've never bought used panels & have one used power supply.
I would say that most Serge owners selling panels would be honest to
deal with.
Check out John Duval's many used panels & help him out if any of them
suit your needs - he's
always mentioned on AH as an excellent trader.

30 day MBG is what you get when you shop Target for toaster ovens, not here.
Be very careful about any used deal, but once a committment is made,
keep it.
These things are not cheap. You have X dollars and you can always have
a greater quantity of cheap crap than fine things. Which do you want in
your studio? The choice is always there.

Lead times vary. Custom panels I think are a couple months. Some shop
panels can be had a little more quickly.
These things vary. Talk to Rex.

16" of modules is one panel, yes.

Don't know if the Planner is up yet or not.

simulacreant wrote:
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>another couple of questions:
>
>is the serge modular planner online, anymore?
>
>any advice or opinions about buying panels 'used'? what about checking
>it out once received? get a 30 day money-back guarantee and go through
>the Gold Book as quickly as possible to check the functions ;)? (i
>have and oscilloscope and fluke multimeter)
>
>does anyone know, offhand, what the lead time for new and custom
>panels is, currently?
>
>panels hold 16" of modules, correct?
>
>thanks!!!
>
>matt
>
>
>
>
>
>Keep on Patchin'!
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: couple of questions

2006-03-08 by simulacreant

thanks. i've already inquired about and considered john's panels. i
wish i could help him, though, but i'm looking for two panel system
similar to the blue fun station and he admittedly has nothing like that.

the reason i ask about a 30 day warranty is because the panels i'm
looking at are for sale by a middleman with a business operation (i'm
sure some of you know what i'm talking about).

however, i'm thinking of going with a custom system, now, based
loosely on a blue fun station (without the tkb, for now).

i'm absolutely set on Serge, though, it's not a matter of
second-guessing. i owned a blacet and evenfall mini modular for a
couple of months or so and decided i would never be 'happy' without a
Serge, for a variety of reasons.

If I may, I'll share my current two panel config. with everyone in
case they would like to comment:

Panel 1: NTO/PCO/PCO/RING/VCM/AMX/VCFQ(X)/ACPR/UAP
Panel 2: RS/SSG/DTG/NCOM/CMX/PRC/DSG/DSG

Thanks!
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--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, John P <johnp299792@...> wrote:
>
> I've never bought used panels & have one used power supply.
> I would say that most Serge owners selling panels would be honest to
> deal with.
> Check out John Duval's many used panels & help him out if any of them
> suit your needs - he's
> always mentioned on AH as an excellent trader.
>
> 30 day MBG is what you get when you shop Target for toaster ovens,
not here.
> Be very careful about any used deal, but once a committment is made,
> keep it.
> These things are not cheap. You have X dollars and you can always have
> a greater quantity of cheap crap than fine things. Which do you
want in
> your studio? The choice is always there.
>
> Lead times vary. Custom panels I think are a couple months. Some shop
> panels can be had a little more quickly.
> These things vary. Talk to Rex.
>
> 16" of modules is one panel, yes.
>
> Don't know if the Planner is up yet or not.
>
> simulacreant wrote:
>
> >another couple of questions:
> >
> >is the serge modular planner online, anymore?
> >
> >any advice or opinions about buying panels 'used'? what about checking
> >it out once received? get a 30 day money-back guarantee and go through
> >the Gold Book as quickly as possible to check the functions ;)? (i
> >have and oscilloscope and fluke multimeter)
> >
> >does anyone know, offhand, what the lead time for new and custom
> >panels is, currently?
> >
> >panels hold 16" of modules, correct?
> >
> >thanks!!!
> >
> >matt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Keep on Patchin'!
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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> http://www.mnmlnoise.com
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Re: couple of questions

2006-03-08 by Carbon111

>If I may, I'll share my current two panel config. with everyone in
>case they would like to comment:
>
>Panel 1: NTO/PCO/PCO/RING/VCM/AMX/VCFQ(X)/ACPR/UAP
>Panel 2: RS/SSG/DTG/NCOM/CMX/PRC/DSG/DSG

I would swap out one DSG for an ADSR - you can't get certain envelope shapes from the DSG...mainly AR and ASR. You can mix the outputs of 2 DSGs but its a little fiddly. If you switched out a DSG for a ADSR, I would fill the remaining 1" space with a PRNV.

Regardless, have fun!

Download the Gold Book and start dreaming up patches:
http://www.carbon111.com/sergebook.zip

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Re: couple of questions

2006-03-08 by James R. Coplin

> I would swap out one DSG for an ADSR - you can't get certain envelope
> shapes from the DSG...mainly AR and ASR. You can mix the outputs of 2 DSGs
> but its a little fiddly. If you switched out a DSG for a ADSR, I would
> fill the remaining 1" space with a PRNV.

Don't you mean you can only get AR and ASR from a DSG?

James

Re: couple of questions

2006-03-08 by paradigmshiftbeats

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Carbon111 <carbon111@...> wrote:
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> >If I may, I'll share my current two panel config. with everyone in
> >case they would like to comment:
> >
> >Panel 1: NTO/PCO/PCO/RING/VCM/AMX/VCFQ(X)/ACPR/UAP
> >Panel 2: RS/SSG/DTG/NCOM/CMX/PRC/DSG/DSG
>
> I would swap out one DSG for an ADSR - you can't get certain
> envelope shapes from the DSG...mainly AR and ASR. You can mix the
> outputs of 2 DSGs but its a little fiddly. If you switched out a
> DSG for a ADSR, I would fill the remaining 1" space with a PRNV.

I agree with James' ADSR suggestion. If you add the "signal in" mod
for one TG and a "rise/both/fall" switch for the other, you will be
very close to the functionality of 2 DSGs in only 5" of panel space.

I would swap the CMX/PRC combo for a Scaling Processor, which is
very flexible, freeing up another 1" of panel space. If you don't
need the PRNV to process external sounds, I highly recommend using
the extra 2" from this and the ADSR/DSG swap to add a Quadrature
Oscillator. Search the archives for my rant on this great module!

I also recommend the DCSM instead of a UAP, as you will have the
ability to cross-fade using the ACPR. With the DCSM, you will get
complete gain/pan control over 2 channels (you can add even more
sources using the aux inputs) and you can still achieve the UAP's
discrete "dual VCA" mode by panning the DCSM inputs hard left and
right (no bleed on mine). You will lose the AM inputs but you can
use the top section of the VCM for this when needed.

My suggestion for revised panel layout:

Panel 1: NTO/PCO/PCO/RING/VCM/AMX/ACPR/VCFQ(X)/DCSM
Panel 2: RS/SSG/DTG/NCOM/DSG/SPRC/ADSR/QUO

Best wishes,

Chris Sawyer

Re: couple of questions

2006-03-08 by simulacreant

Thanks to both! great advice!



--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "paradigmshiftbeats"
<paradigmshiftbeats@...> wrote:
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> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Carbon111 <carbon111@> wrote:
> >
> > >If I may, I'll share my current two panel config. with everyone in
> > >case they would like to comment:
> > >
> > >Panel 1: NTO/PCO/PCO/RING/VCM/AMX/VCFQ(X)/ACPR/UAP
> > >Panel 2: RS/SSG/DTG/NCOM/CMX/PRC/DSG/DSG
> >
> > I would swap out one DSG for an ADSR - you can't get certain
> > envelope shapes from the DSG...mainly AR and ASR. You can mix the
> > outputs of 2 DSGs but its a little fiddly. If you switched out a
> > DSG for a ADSR, I would fill the remaining 1" space with a PRNV.
>
> I agree with James' ADSR suggestion. If you add the "signal in" mod
> for one TG and a "rise/both/fall" switch for the other, you will be
> very close to the functionality of 2 DSGs in only 5" of panel space.
>
> I would swap the CMX/PRC combo for a Scaling Processor, which is
> very flexible, freeing up another 1" of panel space. If you don't
> need the PRNV to process external sounds, I highly recommend using
> the extra 2" from this and the ADSR/DSG swap to add a Quadrature
> Oscillator. Search the archives for my rant on this great module!
>
> I also recommend the DCSM instead of a UAP, as you will have the
> ability to cross-fade using the ACPR. With the DCSM, you will get
> complete gain/pan control over 2 channels (you can add even more
> sources using the aux inputs) and you can still achieve the UAP's
> discrete "dual VCA" mode by panning the DCSM inputs hard left and
> right (no bleed on mine). You will lose the AM inputs but you can
> use the top section of the VCM for this when needed.
>
> My suggestion for revised panel layout:
>
> Panel 1: NTO/PCO/PCO/RING/VCM/AMX/ACPR/VCFQ(X)/DCSM
> Panel 2: RS/SSG/DTG/NCOM/DSG/SPRC/ADSR/QUO
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Chris Sawyer
>

Re: couple of questions

2006-03-08 by simulacreant

However, if I did go for a standard Blue Fun Station (top two panels
only) this is what I'm thinking for a 3rd custom panel to fill in the
holes and complement (based on advice so far):

MIX2/NCOM/CMX/ACPR/VCFS/ADSR/TWS/BLOG/SPRC/COM

comments on this one?
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--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "simulacreant" <mrcarp@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks to both! great advice!
>
>
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "paradigmshiftbeats"
> <paradigmshiftbeats@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Carbon111 <carbon111@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >If I may, I'll share my current two panel config. with everyone in
> > > >case they would like to comment:
> > > >
> > > >Panel 1: NTO/PCO/PCO/RING/VCM/AMX/VCFQ(X)/ACPR/UAP
> > > >Panel 2: RS/SSG/DTG/NCOM/CMX/PRC/DSG/DSG
> > >
> > > I would swap out one DSG for an ADSR - you can't get certain
> > > envelope shapes from the DSG...mainly AR and ASR. You can mix the
> > > outputs of 2 DSGs but its a little fiddly. If you switched out a
> > > DSG for a ADSR, I would fill the remaining 1" space with a PRNV.
> >
> > I agree with James' ADSR suggestion. If you add the "signal in" mod
> > for one TG and a "rise/both/fall" switch for the other, you will be
> > very close to the functionality of 2 DSGs in only 5" of panel space.
> >
> > I would swap the CMX/PRC combo for a Scaling Processor, which is
> > very flexible, freeing up another 1" of panel space. If you don't
> > need the PRNV to process external sounds, I highly recommend using
> > the extra 2" from this and the ADSR/DSG swap to add a Quadrature
> > Oscillator. Search the archives for my rant on this great module!
> >
> > I also recommend the DCSM instead of a UAP, as you will have the
> > ability to cross-fade using the ACPR. With the DCSM, you will get
> > complete gain/pan control over 2 channels (you can add even more
> > sources using the aux inputs) and you can still achieve the UAP's
> > discrete "dual VCA" mode by panning the DCSM inputs hard left and
> > right (no bleed on mine). You will lose the AM inputs but you can
> > use the top section of the VCM for this when needed.
> >
> > My suggestion for revised panel layout:
> >
> > Panel 1: NTO/PCO/PCO/RING/VCM/AMX/ACPR/VCFQ(X)/DCSM
> > Panel 2: RS/SSG/DTG/NCOM/DSG/SPRC/ADSR/QUO
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Chris Sawyer
> >
>

Re: couple of questions

2006-03-08 by Carbon111

>I also recommend the DCSM instead of a UAP, as you will have the
>ability to cross-fade using the ACPR.

Well, sort of. You can cross fade CV with an ACPR but its not really designed for audio. You *can* do it but the fidelity isnt so hot (use a XFAD instead)...I'd stick with the UAP.

Just my .02 ^_^

Best Regards, James
--
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Re: couple of questions

2006-03-08 by Carbon111

> However, if I did go for a standard Blue Fun Station (top two panels
> only) this is what I'm thinking for a 3rd custom panel to fill in the
> holes and complement (based on advice so far):
>
> MIX2/NCOM/CMX/ACPR/VCFS/ADSR/TWS/BLOG/SPRC/COM
>
> comments on this one?

Well, thats not a bad way to go at all.

When I was first thinking about getting a Serge, I wanted a Blue Voice
Panel and a Red CV Panel....but that wasn't *quite* right ^_-

I ended up getting an Animal first, then two custom panels. Because of
the long lead time, I wanted to be able to do complete patches while I
waited longish time needed for the other panels to be manufactured.
Shop panels are *relatively* quick. ^_^
Best Regards, James
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Re: couple of questions

2006-03-08 by Carbon111

BTW, I didn't mean to downplay the importance of the ACPR - its the only serge module that can attenuate a CV with a CV. Sort of a CV "VCA" with crossfading added if you will...

Best, James

Re: couple of questions

2006-03-08 by Carbon111

>Don't you mean you can only get AR and ASR from a DSG?

Um...isn't that what I said? O_O

Best, James

Re: couple of questions

2006-03-08 by James R. Coplin

I see now, I read:

"you can't get certain envelope shapes from the DSG...mainly AR and ASR."

as AR and ASR were examples of certain envelope shapes that could not be
gotten from the DSG.

Carry on... ;)

James
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> On Behalf Of Carbon111
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> To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: RE: [SergeModular] Re: couple of questions
>
> >Don't you mean you can only get AR and ASR from a DSG?
>
> Um...isn't that what I said? O_O
>
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Re: couple of questions

2006-03-08 by paradigmshiftbeats

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "simulacreant" <mrcarp@...>
wrote:
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>
> However, if I did go for a standard Blue Fun Station

This could be a great approach. Get two used panels for about the
price of one new panel, then add a custom panel to round out your
system.

> MIX2/NCOM/CMX/ACPR/VCFS/ADSR/TWS/BLOG/SPRC/COM

My first overall comment would be to hold off on designing the
custom panel until you have spent some time with the first two (give
it at least a couple of months). I think almost every Serge owner
here will agree that we had a much better idea of what we wanted to
add *after* using a system extensively than before we laid hands on.
That way, if you decide you need more mixing (a common experience)
or an extra VCO or perhaps two full ADSRs, you can factor that into
your custom panel design. Otherwise, you may find that you don't
really use something you were *sure* you needed initially, and you
may be short something else you didn't realize was critical to your
specific style of Serge creativity.

Otherwise, your module selection looks pretty good, although if you
are going to wind up with three panels, I think you should include a
DCSM to complement the Blue Voice's UAP. VC mixing is one of the
keys to discovering the "hidden lairs" of modular synthesis, in my
opinion, and with one MIX2 on the Blue Voice already I believe you
can afford to exchange the custom panel's MIX2. You can mix manually
on the DCSM when not using it for VC gain/pan - but don't overlook
dynamic mixing prior to the output stage, such as VCO waveforms,
filter outputs, etc! (And your CMX/ACPR/SPRC can be used as pinch
hitters for audio mixing in many applications, as well.)

A few other thoughts: the VCF2 is very underrated - especially nice
with VC mixing; you may find two NCOMs more flexible than NCOM+COM;
and in my view the BLOG doesn't give you tremendous bang for the
buck until you start using sequencers. (I'll refrain from trying to
talk you into that Sequencer panel - LOL!)

Best wishes,

Chris

Re: couple of questions

2006-03-08 by Carbon111

>My first overall comment would be to hold off on designing the
>custom panel until you have spent some time with the first two (give
>it at least a couple of months). I think almost every Serge owner
>here will agree that we had a much better idea of what we wanted to
>add *after* using a system extensively than before we laid hands on.

Could not agree more! I still wish I had gotten a PHA instead of one of the ADSRs. Then again, I've got a nice Moogerfooger one that plugs in via the ADP...

Best Regards, James
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Re: couple of questions

2006-03-08 by beschaving@gmail.com

On Mar 8, 2006, at 4:50 PM, simulacreant wrote:
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> another couple of questions:
>
> is the serge modular planner online, anymore?

i'd also like to know...i'm putting a system together myself at the
moment and it would be a great help

googling it didn't lead to much...

thanks!

alex


>
> any advice or opinions about buying panels 'used'? what about checking
> it out once received? get a 30 day money-back guarantee and go through
> the Gold Book as quickly as possible to check the functions ;)? (i
> have and oscilloscope and fluke multimeter)
>
> does anyone know, offhand, what the lead time for new and custom
> panels is, currently?
>
> panels hold 16" of modules, correct?
>
> thanks!!!
>
> matt
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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Re: couple of questions

2006-03-09 by Carbon111

>> is the serge modular planner online, anymore?
>
>i'd also like to know...i'm putting a system together myself at the
>moment and it would be a great help

You'll need to ask the other James on this list ;)
Someday it will be up again. ^_^

Best Regards, James
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Re: couple of questions

2006-03-09 by James R. Coplin

Efforting...

It is in progress...

Update maybe end of next week...

James
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> On Behalf Of Carbon111
> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 7:10 PM
> To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Re: [SergeModular] Re: couple of questions
>
> >> is the serge modular planner online, anymore?
> >
> >i'd also like to know...i'm putting a system together myself at the
> >moment and it would be a great help
>
> You'll need to ask the other James on this list ;)
> Someday it will be up again. ^_^
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Re: couple of questions

2006-03-09 by simulacreant

nice, thanks!
the more i read the archives the more i'm familiar with the opinions,
pros/cons, etc., and just came across a comment about holding off on
designing a custom panel until you've spent time with your initial
system, and thought, 'i bet someone will respond like that to my
questions'.
the advice/commentary is very much appreciated!
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--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "paradigmshiftbeats"
<paradigmshiftbeats@...> wrote:
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "simulacreant" <mrcarp@>
> wrote:
> >
> > However, if I did go for a standard Blue Fun Station
>
> This could be a great approach. Get two used panels for about the
> price of one new panel, then add a custom panel to round out your
> system.
>
> > MIX2/NCOM/CMX/ACPR/VCFS/ADSR/TWS/BLOG/SPRC/COM
>
> My first overall comment would be to hold off on designing the
> custom panel until you have spent some time with the first two (give
> it at least a couple of months). I think almost every Serge owner
> here will agree that we had a much better idea of what we wanted to
> add *after* using a system extensively than before we laid hands on.
> That way, if you decide you need more mixing (a common experience)
> or an extra VCO or perhaps two full ADSRs, you can factor that into
> your custom panel design. Otherwise, you may find that you don't
> really use something you were *sure* you needed initially, and you
> may be short something else you didn't realize was critical to your
> specific style of Serge creativity.
>
> Otherwise, your module selection looks pretty good, although if you
> are going to wind up with three panels, I think you should include a
> DCSM to complement the Blue Voice's UAP. VC mixing is one of the
> keys to discovering the "hidden lairs" of modular synthesis, in my
> opinion, and with one MIX2 on the Blue Voice already I believe you
> can afford to exchange the custom panel's MIX2. You can mix manually
> on the DCSM when not using it for VC gain/pan - but don't overlook
> dynamic mixing prior to the output stage, such as VCO waveforms,
> filter outputs, etc! (And your CMX/ACPR/SPRC can be used as pinch
> hitters for audio mixing in many applications, as well.)
>
> A few other thoughts: the VCF2 is very underrated - especially nice
> with VC mixing; you may find two NCOMs more flexible than NCOM+COM;
> and in my view the BLOG doesn't give you tremendous bang for the
> buck until you start using sequencers. (I'll refrain from trying to
> talk you into that Sequencer panel - LOL!)
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Chris
>

Re: couple of questions

2006-03-09 by simulacreant

that'd be great! i never got the chance to experience it...
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--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "James R. Coplin" <moog@...> wrote:
>
> Efforting...
>
> It is in progress...
>
> Update maybe end of next week...
>
> James
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:SergeModular@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of Carbon111
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 7:10 PM
> > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Re: [SergeModular] Re: couple of questions
> >
> > >> is the serge modular planner online, anymore?
> > >
> > >i'd also like to know...i'm putting a system together myself at the
> > >moment and it would be a great help
> >
> > You'll need to ask the other James on this list ;)
> > Someday it will be up again. ^_^
> >
> > Best Regards, James
> > --
> > http://www.carbon111.com/serge.html
> >
> >
> >
> > Keep on Patchin'!
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Paperplate TKB?

2006-03-09 by amnesia

What is a Paperplate TKB?

Is it as good as a normal version if it is not normal?

cheers




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Re: couple of questions

2006-03-09 by darkstr1746@comcast.net

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    the planner is still not up but James is working on it i believe. He has been extremely busy this past year. shop panels are only a few months lead time to only a couple weeks if Rex has what you want. Otherwise, custom panels are still lengthy propostitions. And worth every freaking week and dime.
    kind regards
    john duval

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    Re: couple of questions

    2006-03-09 by darkstr1746@comcast.net

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      forget the BLOG. . . start your own! LMAO!!!
      john duval

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      Re: couple of questions

      2006-03-09 by simulacreant

      that's what i'm thinking, john... when rex left a message for me,
      yesterday, he sounded so cool and inviting and really made me want to
      plan a system with him. or at least a panel or two, later. i'm looking
      at a couple of used systems, now, that are close to ideal. one is much
      more so than the other.
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      months lead time to only a couple weeks if Rex has what you want.
      Otherwise, custom panels are still lengthy propostitions. And worth
      every freaking week and dime.
      > kind regards
      > john duval
      >
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      Re: Midi CV converters

      2006-03-26 by amnesia

      I am looking to get a Serge system, and have been looking at the TKB,
      but figured Id just use my Jupiter 8 to play the Serge (My JP8 has midi
      and CV)

      I guess I will need a CV converter to play the Serge,,,,,what ones do
      people use...I only own the JP8 and will eventually add a VCS3 again or
      Synthi after the Serge is paid off, so really only need minimum 2 CV to
      midi's

      Any help would be great
      rJH
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      Re: Midi CV converters

      2006-03-26 by Steve Ridley

      > Subject: Re: [SergeModular] Midi CV converters

      My Winter 1993/1994 Serge/STS catalogue showed a midi - VC converter, the
      CV8, "available fall '93". $850. Does anyone know if Rex ever really
      made any of these?

      Steve

      Re: Midi CV converters

      2006-03-26 by John P

      There's a CVI Control Voltage Interface.
      It doesn't do MIDI conversion. It's a set of 8 input phone jacks & 8
      banana outputs, each with a monitor LED.
      The price list says $240.

      Steve Ridley wrote:
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      >My Winter 1993/1994 Serge/STS catalogue showed a midi - VC converter, the
      >CV8, "available fall '93". $850. Does anyone know if Rex ever really
      >made any of these?
      >
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      Re: Midi CV converters

      2006-03-26 by Steve Ridley

      > There's a CVI Control Voltage Interface.
      > It doesn't do MIDI conversion. It's a set of 8 input phone jacks & 8
      > banana outputs, each with a monitor LED.
      > The price list says $240.

      No, that's just a glorified adaptor module. The thing I was looking at
      was the CV8 and was definitely a MIDI to CV converter. I'm guessing it
      either never made it to production or it didn't sell. $850 is a lot of
      money for a MIDI2CV, and a CVI and someone elses converter would probably
      be a much cheaper option.

      If you're interested, I could scan the page...


      Steve

      Re: where is ADSR?

      2006-03-31 by amnesia

      Just wondering how you get around not having an ADSR in you panels?

      I have Blue Fun Station
      Sequencer
      Soup Kitchen

      cheers

      RJH
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      Re: where is ADSR?

      2006-03-31 by Carbon111

      amnesia wrote:
      > Just wondering how you get around not having an ADSR in you panels?

      Use the DSG or DTG:

      http://www.serge-fans.com/wiz_cv_trig.htm

      You can get AR and ASR envelope shapes (linear or exponential) plus you
      can add envelopes together with a CV mixer to get more complex
      envelopes. The Serge dosen't work very much like a "normal" modularin
      some ways - its a LOT more flexible. Download the manual by Rich Gold
      and try to get a feel for it:

      http://www.carbon111.com/sergebook.zip

      You can get envelope-type events from some other modules as well...like
      the SSG and the TKB, etc...

      Have fun. Experiment.

      Best Regards, James
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      Re: what is that name?

      2006-04-05 by amnesia

      Hi all

      I need to replace a chipped blue banana plug connector (not sure of the
      name but it is on my TKB its the blue plastic hole that you patch in
      with a bananna plug.

      Well where can you buy these, and what are they called?

      Cheers
      RJH
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      Re: [SergeModular Blue plastic hole that you patch bannana plug into

      2006-04-05 by amnesia

      hi all

      what is the name of the blue plastic hole on the TKB that a bananna plug
      patches into?...there are red ones blue etc

      Where can I buy one as my TKB has a chipped one.

      RJH
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      Re: [SergeModular Blue plastic hole that you patch bannana plug into

      2006-04-05 by Edmund Eagan

      On 5-Apr-06, at 12:55 AM, amnesia wrote:
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      > hi all
      >
      > what is the name of the blue plastic hole on the TKB that a bananna
      > plug
      > patches into?...there are red ones blue etc
      >
      > Where can I buy one as my TKB has a chipped one.

      http://concord-elex.com/cgi-bin/part0.cgi?pg=336:1&pi=277

      It's called a banana panel jack. There should be a place to order
      them online. You can always ask Rex at Sound Transform:

      (262) 367-3030
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