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> -----Original Message-----
> From: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SergeModular@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of simulacreant
>
> Has anyone had any luck getting an Expressionist to work with a Serge?
> I've tried two different types of 1/4" to banana cable and fooled with
> the Expressionists settings quite a bit and I get all kinds of erratic
> behavior. Even a 1/4" to banana cable connected to the 1V/OCT, or VC F
> inputs generates a sort of FM -- probably from the noise of an open
> connection.
>
>

> You need to connect the Serge power supply ground to a ground on the
> Expressionist, probably through a screw on the chassis.
>
> John Loffink
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SergeModular@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of simulacreant
> >
> > Has anyone had any luck getting an Expressionist to work with a Serge?
> > I've tried two different types of 1/4" to banana cable and fooled with
> > the Expressionists settings quite a bit and I get all kinds of erratic
> > behavior. Even a 1/4" to banana cable connected to the 1V/OCT, or VC F
> > inputs generates a sort of FM -- probably from the noise of an open
> > connection.
> >
> >
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> > Has anyone had any luck getting an Expressionist to work with a Serge?
>
> Probably a dumb question on my part, but did you create a *common
> ground* between the Expressionist and the Serge?
>
> I.E. - The long black cable from the Serge power supply should be
> connected to an unpainted/unplated screw on the body of the Expressionist.
>
> Best Regards, James
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> I've tried every screw and opened the case and connected the ground to
> even more bare metal. I opened the Serge PSU to make sure the ground
> was in fact connected and it is, to 'com' on the PCB. My 1/4" to
> banana adapter/cables are made to spec, too. I've gone through every
> page and parameter on the Expressionist and everything's as it should
> be and I've tried a variety of MIDI sources. I'm baffled!
>

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "simulacreant" <mrcarp@...>

Has anyone had any luck getting an Expressionist to work with a Serge?
I've tried two different types of 1/4" to banana cable and fooled with
the Expressionists settings quite a bit and I get all kinds of erratic
behavior. Even a 1/4" to banana cable connected to the 1V/OCT, or VC F
inputs generates a sort of FM -- probably from the noise of an open
connection.

> i had a expressionist for three years and ued it to drive my Serge with no
> problems whatso ever. check for grounding problems or bad cable. I had mine
> hooked up to dual CVI modules that gave me visual status to CV and Gate
> functions. Frivolous for most users here i'm sure but i found it invaluable. . .
> being a visual type of person. Anyway check your cables, grounding and setting
> on the expressionist. Or call Rex. He has used these i believe, or call Tony.
> kind regards\john duval
> sorry i can't be of more assistance
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "simulacreant" <mrcarp@...>
>
> Has anyone had any luck getting an Expressionist to work with a Serge?
> I've tried two different types of 1/4" to banana cable and fooled with
> the Expressionists settings quite a bit and I get all kinds of erratic
> behavior. Even a 1/4" to banana cable connected to the 1V/OCT, or VC F
> inputs generates a sort of FM -- probably from the noise of an open
> connection.
>
>

> does your Expressionist drive anything else OK? Have you measured its
> output with a meter?
>
> mrcarp@... wrote:
>
> > I've tried every screw and opened the case and connected the ground to
> > even more bare metal. I opened the Serge PSU to make sure the ground
> > was in fact connected and it is, to 'com' on the PCB. My 1/4" to
> > banana adapter/cables are made to spec, too. I've gone through every
> > page and parameter on the Expressionist and everything's as it should
> > be and I've tried a variety of MIDI sources. I'm baffled!
> >
>
> --
> m/n/m/l
> surreal electronic music, sound, noise
> http://www.mnmlnoise.com
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> Keep on Patchin'!
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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> I appreciate the encouragement, though. I've sent a couple of e-mails to Tony,
> too. I hope he can help me sort this out. Next thing to do is measure the CV
> outs with a multimeter.
> Is there also a good way to test that something's successfully grounded? I
> mean, I have no real reason to doubt it's not but I'm the second owner of all
> this stuff so you never know...
> Also, should the shield be disconnected on the quarter inch end of my adapter
> cable?
> Thanks!
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: darkstr1746@...
> > i had a expressionist for three years and ued it to drive my Serge with no
> > problems whatso ever. check for grounding problems or bad cable. I had mine
> > hooked up to dual CVI modules that gave me visual status to CV and Gate
> > functions. Frivolous for most users here i'm sure but i found it invaluable. .
> .
> > being a visual type of person. Anyway check your cables, grounding and setting
> > on the expressionist. Or call Rex. He has used these i believe, or call Tony.
> > kind regards\john duval
> > sorry i can't be of more assistance
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: "simulacreant" <mrcarp@...>
> >
> > Has anyone had any luck getting an Expressionist to work with a Serge?
> > I've tried two different types of 1/4" to banana cable and fooled with
> > the Expressionists settings quite a bit and I get all kinds of erratic
> > behavior. Even a 1/4" to banana cable connected to the 1V/OCT, or VC F
> > inputs generates a sort of FM -- probably from the noise of an open
> > connection.
> >
> >
>
>
>

> your expressionist should be grounded to a Serge power supply in any way you
> choose. If that doesn't do it then i would guess that your unit has internal
> problems and you need to get ahold of Tony.
> kind regards
> john duval
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: mrcarp@...
> > I appreciate the encouragement, though. I've sent a couple of e-mails to
> Tony,
> > too. I hope he can help me sort this out. Next thing to do is measure the CV
> > outs with a multimeter.
> > Is there also a good way to test that something's successfully grounded? I
> > mean, I have no real reason to doubt it's not but I'm the second owner of all
> > this stuff so you never know...
> > Also, should the shield be disconnected on the quarter inch end of my adapter
> > cable?
> > Thanks!
> >
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: darkstr1746@...
> > > i had a expressionist for three years and ued it to drive my Serge with no
> > > problems whatso ever. check for grounding problems or bad cable. I had mine
> > > hooked up to dual CVI modules that gave me visual status to CV and Gate
> > > functions. Frivolous for most users here i'm sure but i found it invaluable.
> .
> > .
> > > being a visual type of person. Anyway check your cables, grounding and
> setting
> > > on the expressionist. Or call Rex. He has used these i believe, or call
> Tony.
> > > kind regards\john duval
> > > sorry i can't be of more assistance
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: "simulacreant" <mrcarp@...>
> > >
> > > Has anyone had any luck getting an Expressionist to work with a Serge?
> > > I've tried two different types of 1/4" to banana cable and fooled with
> > > the Expressionists settings quite a bit and I get all kinds of erratic
> > > behavior. Even a 1/4" to banana cable connected to the 1V/OCT, or VC F
> > > inputs generates a sort of FM -- probably from the noise of an open
> > > connection.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Keep on Patchin'!
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, mrcarp@... wrote:
>
> Ok, thanks. Tony got back to me so we'll take it from here. If
anyone else has any odd experiences such as this, feel free to chime in.
> Tonight, I play musical wall outlets...
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: darkstr1746@...
> > your expressionist should be grounded to a Serge power supply in
any way you
> > choose. If that doesn't do it then i would guess that your unit
has internal
> > problems and you need to get ahold of Tony.
> > kind regards
> > john duval
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: mrcarp@...
> > > I appreciate the encouragement, though. I've sent a couple of
e-mails to
> > Tony,
> > > too. I hope he can help me sort this out. Next thing to do is
measure the CV
> > > outs with a multimeter.
> > > Is there also a good way to test that something's successfully
grounded? I
> > > mean, I have no real reason to doubt it's not but I'm the second
owner of all
> > > this stuff so you never know...
> > > Also, should the shield be disconnected on the quarter inch end
of my adapter
> > > cable?
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > > From: darkstr1746@...
> > > > i had a expressionist for three years and ued it to drive my
Serge with no
> > > > problems whatso ever. check for grounding problems or bad
cable. I had mine
> > > > hooked up to dual CVI modules that gave me visual status to
CV and Gate
> > > > functions. Frivolous for most users here i'm sure but i found
it invaluable.
> > .
> > > .
> > > > being a visual type of person. Anyway check your cables,
grounding and
> > setting
> > > > on the expressionist. Or call Rex. He has used these i
believe, or call
> > Tony.
> > > > kind regards\john duval
> > > > sorry i can't be of more assistance
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: "simulacreant" <mrcarp@...>
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone had any luck getting an Expressionist to work with
a Serge?
> > > > I've tried two different types of 1/4" to banana cable and
fooled with
> > > > the Expressionists settings quite a bit and I get all kinds of
erratic
> > > > behavior. Even a 1/4" to banana cable connected to the 1V/OCT,
or VC F
> > > > inputs generates a sort of FM -- probably from the noise of an
open
> > > > connection.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Keep on Patchin'!
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> I appreciate the encouragement, though. I've sent a couple of
e-mails to Tony, too. I hope he can help me sort this out. Next thing
to do is measure the CV outs with a multimeter.
> Is there also a good way to test that something's successfully
grounded? I mean, I have no real reason to doubt it's not but I'm the
second owner of all this stuff so you never know...
> Also, should the shield be disconnected on the quarter inch end of
my adapter cable?
> Thanks!
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: darkstr1746@...
> > i had a expressionist for three years and ued it to drive my Serge
with no
> > problems whatso ever. check for grounding problems or bad cable. I
had mine
> > hooked up to dual CVI modules that gave me visual status to CV
and Gate
> > functions. Frivolous for most users here i'm sure but i found it
invaluable. . .
> > being a visual type of person. Anyway check your cables, grounding
and setting
> > on the expressionist. Or call Rex. He has used these i believe, or
call Tony.
> > kind regards\john duval
> > sorry i can't be of more assistance
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: "simulacreant" <mrcarp@...>
> >
> > Has anyone had any luck getting an Expressionist to work with a Serge?
> > I've tried two different types of 1/4" to banana cable and fooled with
> > the Expressionists settings quite a bit and I get all kinds of erratic
> > behavior. Even a 1/4" to banana cable connected to the 1V/OCT, or VC F
> > inputs generates a sort of FM -- probably from the noise of an open
> > connection.
> >
> >
>

> Tony told me the Expressionist chassis floats so no wonder I wasn't
> able to establish a common ground! I connected the braid of the 1/4"
> to banana cable (from the Expressionist) directly to the black ground
> cable from the Serge PS and it worked. What a relief. The question is:
> How do I do this for all 16 of the Expressionist's outs? I looked at
> the MOTM and .com banana jack interfaces... Could I get two of the
> .com interfaces and somehow connect them both to the Serge ground? Is
> there another way?
> Thanks everyone for their tips and insight.
>
> .

> Unless I'm not understanding the question, you should only need one
> ground connection to the Serge from
> the Expressionist. You can use the other outs without worrying that
> each needs grounding.
>
> simulacreant wrote:
>
> > Tony told me the Expressionist chassis floats so no wonder I wasn't
> > able to establish a common ground! I connected the braid of the 1/4"
> > to banana cable (from the Expressionist) directly to the black ground
> > cable from the Serge PS and it worked. What a relief. The question is:
> > How do I do this for all 16 of the Expressionist's outs? I looked at
> > the MOTM and .com banana jack interfaces... Could I get two of the
> > .com interfaces and somehow connect them both to the Serge ground? Is
> > there another way?
> > Thanks everyone for their tips and insight.
> >
> > .
>
>
> --
> m/n/m/l
> surreal electronic music, sound, noise
> http://www.mnmlnoise.com
>
>
>
>
>
> Keep on Patchin'!
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

>
> Has anyone had any luck getting an Expressionist to work with a Serge?
> I've tried two different types of 1/4" to banana cable and fooled with
> the Expressionists settings quite a bit and I get all kinds of erratic
> behavior. Even a 1/4" to banana cable connected to the 1V/OCT, or VC F
> inputs generates a sort of FM -- probably from the noise of an open
> connection.
>