SergeModular

--- On Mon, 2/16/09, roelelec <r.steverink@...> wrote:

From: roelelec <r.steverink@...>
Subject: [SergeModular] Soft Sync + Linear FM
To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 2:58 PM

Hi guys,

I must say I love the ex. FM of the NTO and PCO.
It delivers a broad range of sounds.

Yesterday I patched one PCO to the soft sync of
the NTO. I also made feedback patches and included
the second PCO. The main out of all this through
the low pass of the VQF and then into the in 1 of the X-fader.
I noticed a small range of frequenties producing
a sort of sync effect, but only a small range.
But I wasn't prepared to get a high to low to high
even accelerating rhythm! Just by using 3 osc's and a filter!
That task normally is reserved for the right wing modules: VTO and
SSG.

My question is: what's the use of soft sync in general?

And linear FM? So far I get white noise. I mean the fact is you want
a stable tune.

O yes, do I have a source of usable white noise for my SSG?
I have NTO (1), PCO (2), X-fader (1), VTO and SSG.

Cheers,

Roel

>
>
> My question is: what's the use of soft sync in general?
>

>
> how can you get white noise out of linear fm' ing the serge osc's?
>
> did you use another sine wave as the modulator? or you used a

>
> did you input the modulator wave to the 'in fm' input of the PCO,

>
> the 'in fm' knob on the NTO, is the offset knob of the linear vca

> the "vc fm" input of the NTO, is the cv input of the linear vca

>
> the 'in fm' knob (on the PCO) is the linear fm manual modulation

>
>
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
>
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
>
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
>
> www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
>
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
>
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
>
> www. DiN. org. uk
>
> www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
>
> www. shimarecords. co. uk
>
> www. rubberrecords. gr
>
> Athens - Greece
>
> --- On Mon, 2/16/09, roelelec <r.steverink@...> wrote:
> From: roelelec <r.steverink@...>
> Subject: [SergeModular] Soft Sync + Linear FM
> To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 2:58 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi guys,
>
>
>
> I must say I love the ex. FM of the NTO and PCO.
>
> It delivers a broad range of sounds.
>
>
>
> Yesterday I patched one PCO to the soft sync of
>
> the NTO. I also made feedback patches and included
>
> the second PCO. The main out of all this through
>
> the low pass of the VQF and then into the in 1 of the X-fader.
>
> I noticed a small range of frequenties producing
>
> a sort of sync effect, but only a small range.
>
> But I wasn't prepared to get a high to low to high
>
> even accelerating rhythm! Just by using 3 osc's and a filter!
>
> That task normally is reserved for the right wing modules: VTO and
>
> SSG.
>
>
>
> My question is: what's the use of soft sync in general?
>
>
>
> And linear FM? So far I get white noise. I mean the fact is you

>
> a stable tune.
>
>
>
> O yes, do I have a source of usable white noise for my SSG?
>
> I have NTO (1), PCO (2), X-fader (1), VTO and SSG.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Roel
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, John P <johnp299792@...> wrote:
>
> soft sync is used when you want two or more oscillators to track
> together, in sync, *without* beating.
> If you patch two oscillators from, say, your SSG Stepped Out into
their
> 1V/Oct inputs, they will track together, but no matter how well you
tune
> them, there will be some beating, and the beating will change as
the
> pitch input changes. Patching the Sawtooth of one into the Sync of
the
> other one will eliminate this beating, if the Osc's are tuned
closely to
> begin with.
>
> roelelec wrote:
> >
> >
> > My question is: what's the use of soft sync in general?
> >
>

--- On Mon, 2/16/09, roelelec <r.steverink@...> wrote:

From: roelelec <r.steverink@...>
Subject: [SergeModular] Re: Soft Sync + Linear FM
To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 4:40 PM

O...I have to check this.
I'll get back to you.

Thanks for the info!
Where that you get it? From the new catalog (which Rex still has to
send me. I can't find this information in the Serge catalog from 1970
as well as 1982. Or did you find by measering volts?

Cheers,

Roel

--- In SergeModular@ yahoogroups. com, Bakis Sirros
<synth_freak_ 2000@...> wrote:
>
> how can you get white noise out of linear fm' ing the serge osc's?
>
> did you use another sine wave as the modulator? or you used a
complex wave as modulator?
>
> did you input the modulator wave to the 'in fm' input of the PCO,
or the 'in fm' input of the NTO?
>
> the 'in fm' knob on the NTO, is the offset knob of the linear vca
controling the linear fm index.
> the "vc fm" input of the NTO, is the cv input of the linear vca
controlling the linear fm index.
>
> the 'in fm' knob (on the PCO) is the linear fm manual modulation
index.
>
>
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
>
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
>
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
>
> www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
>
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
>
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
>
> www. DiN. org. uk
>
> www. musicamaximamagneti ca. com
>
> www. shimarecords. co. uk
>
> www. rubberrecords. gr
>
> Athens - Greece
>
> --- On Mon, 2/16/09, roelelec <r.steverink@ ...> wrote:
> From: roelelec <r.steverink@ ...>
> Subject: [SergeModular] Soft Sync + Linear FM
> To: SergeModular@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 2:58 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi guys,
>
>
>
> I must say I love the ex. FM of the NTO and PCO.
>
> It delivers a broad range of sounds.
>
>
>
> Yesterday I patched one PCO to the soft sync of
>
> the NTO. I also made feedback patches and included
>
> the second PCO. The main out of all this through
>
> the low pass of the VQF and then into the in 1 of the X-fader.
>
> I noticed a small range of frequenties producing
>
> a sort of sync effect, but only a small range.
>
> But I wasn't prepared to get a high to low to high
>
> even accelerating rhythm! Just by using 3 osc's and a filter!
>
> That task normally is reserved for the right wing modules: VTO and
>
> SSG.
>
>
>
> My question is: what's the use of soft sync in general?
>
>
>
> And linear FM? So far I get white noise. I mean the fact is you
want
>
> a stable tune.
>
>
>
> O yes, do I have a source of usable white noise for my SSG?
>
> I have NTO (1), PCO (2), X-fader (1), VTO and SSG.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Roel
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "roelelec" <r.steverink@...> wrote:
>
> Hi John,
>
> Yeah I know what sync is, that it eliminates the beating when two
> osc's frequenties are locked in together. It's the way of getting
> razor sharp sounds in stead of the more organic, floating sounds like
> f.e. strings.
> But is soft syc then only the soft variant of hard sync? I'm no
> technician. I'm interested and very much like to know.
>
> Cause I reckon soft sync must have more uses that only eliminating
> the beating. Why otherwise did Serge include soft sync in his osc's
> and not the so favourable hard sync? Which are the secrets?
>
> Thanks for the info on the waveforms!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Roel
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, John P <johnp299792@> wrote:
> >
> > soft sync is used when you want two or more oscillators to track
> > together, in sync, *without* beating.
> > If you patch two oscillators from, say, your SSG Stepped Out into
> their
> > 1V/Oct inputs, they will track together, but no matter how well you
> tune
> > them, there will be some beating, and the beating will change as
> the
> > pitch input changes. Patching the Sawtooth of one into the Sync of
> the
> > other one will eliminate this beating, if the Osc's are tuned
> closely to
> > begin with.
> >
> > roelelec wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > My question is: what's the use of soft sync in general?
> > >
> >
>

>
> how can you get white noise out of linear fm' ing the serge osc's?
>
> did you use another sine wave as the modulator? or you used a

>
> did you input the modulator wave to the 'in fm' input of the PCO,

>
> the 'in fm' knob on the NTO, is the offset knob of the linear vca

> the "vc fm" input of the NTO, is the cv input of the linear vca

>
> the 'in fm' knob (on the PCO) is the linear fm manual modulation

>
>
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
>
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
>
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
>
> www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
>
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
>
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
>
> www. DiN. org. uk
>
> www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
>
> www. shimarecords. co. uk
>
> www. rubberrecords. gr
>
> Athens - Greece
>
> --- On Mon, 2/16/09, roelelec <r.steverink@...> wrote:
> From: roelelec <r.steverink@...>
> Subject: [SergeModular] Soft Sync + Linear FM
> To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 2:58 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi guys,
>
>
>
> I must say I love the ex. FM of the NTO and PCO.
>
> It delivers a broad range of sounds.
>
>
>
> Yesterday I patched one PCO to the soft sync of
>
> the NTO. I also made feedback patches and included
>
> the second PCO. The main out of all this through
>
> the low pass of the VQF and then into the in 1 of the X-fader.
>
> I noticed a small range of frequenties producing
>
> a sort of sync effect, but only a small range.
>
> But I wasn't prepared to get a high to low to high
>
> even accelerating rhythm! Just by using 3 osc's and a filter!
>
> That task normally is reserved for the right wing modules: VTO and
>
> SSG.
>
>
>
> My question is: what's the use of soft sync in general?
>
>
>
> And linear FM? So far I get white noise. I mean the fact is you

>
> a stable tune.
>
>
>
> O yes, do I have a source of usable white noise for my SSG?
>
> I have NTO (1), PCO (2), X-fader (1), VTO and SSG.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Roel
>

>
>
> If I remember correctly, you can get some (roughly) hard-sync style
> effects using your timegen osc, or more generally any of the slope /
> transient generator variants. Use the trigger switch to make the
> right half self trigger (oscillate). Now patch the gate out of the
> left half into the trig in of the right half. I think you should

> have the right oscillator re-triggered by the left oscillator. Mess
> with frequency offsets. Instant razorblade cocktail. Just don't

> yourself.
>
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "roelelec" <r.steverink@>

> >
> > Hi John,
> >
> > Yeah I know what sync is, that it eliminates the beating when two
> > osc's frequenties are locked in together. It's the way of getting
> > razor sharp sounds in stead of the more organic, floating sounds

> > f.e. strings.
> > But is soft syc then only the soft variant of hard sync? I'm no
> > technician. I'm interested and very much like to know.
> >
> > Cause I reckon soft sync must have more uses that only

> > the beating. Why otherwise did Serge include soft sync in his

> > and not the so favourable hard sync? Which are the secrets?
> >
> > Thanks for the info on the waveforms!
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Roel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, John P <johnp299792@> wrote:
> > >
> > > soft sync is used when you want two or more oscillators to

> > > together, in sync, *without* beating.
> > > If you patch two oscillators from, say, your SSG Stepped Out

> > their
> > > 1V/Oct inputs, they will track together, but no matter how well

> > tune
> > > them, there will be some beating, and the beating will change

> > the
> > > pitch input changes. Patching the Sawtooth of one into the

> > the
> > > other one will eliminate this beating, if the Osc's are tuned
> > closely to
> > > begin with.
> > >
> > > roelelec wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My question is: what's the use of soft sync in general?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

--- On Fri, 2/20/09, roelelec <r.steverink@...> wrote:

From: roelelec <r.steverink@...>
Subject: [SergeModular] Re: Soft Sync + Linear FM
To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 10:39 AM

That's something I haven't tried yet.
Thanks for the tip.
I will try this, cause I'm also very curious how much it
differs/matches the soft sync effect of the other osc's.

The Timegen osc is still a puzzle to me.
I don't remember how I patched it (I'm gonna note these findings
carefully down from now on) but a couple of times turning the rise
knob revealed only a small area of frequenties, just if the right
part was transformed in a notch filter or something?

I also haven't the faintest idea what the signal in's (in the middle)
can be used for?

Cheers,

Roel

--- In SergeModular@ yahoogroups. com, "kkonkkrete" <kkonkkrete@ ...>
wrote:
>
>
> If I remember correctly, you can get some (roughly) hard-sync style
> effects using your timegen osc, or more generally any of the slope /
> transient generator variants. Use the trigger switch to make the
> right half self trigger (oscillate). Now patch the gate out of the
> left half into the trig in of the right half. I think you should
now
> have the right oscillator re-triggered by the left oscillator. Mess
> with frequency offsets. Instant razorblade cocktail. Just don't
cut
> yourself.
>
>
> --- In SergeModular@ yahoogroups. com, "roelelec" <r.steverink@ >
wrote:
> >
> > Hi John,
> >
> > Yeah I know what sync is, that it eliminates the beating when two
> > osc's frequenties are locked in together. It's the way of getting
> > razor sharp sounds in stead of the more organic, floating sounds
like
> > f.e. strings.
> > But is soft syc then only the soft variant of hard sync? I'm no
> > technician. I'm interested and very much like to know.
> >
> > Cause I reckon soft sync must have more uses that only
eliminating
> > the beating. Why otherwise did Serge include soft sync in his
osc's
> > and not the so favourable hard sync? Which are the secrets?
> >
> > Thanks for the info on the waveforms!
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Roel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In SergeModular@ yahoogroups. com, John P <johnp299792@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > soft sync is used when you want two or more oscillators to
track
> > > together, in sync, *without* beating.
> > > If you patch two oscillators from, say, your SSG Stepped Out
into
> > their
> > > 1V/Oct inputs, they will track together, but no matter how well
you
> > tune
> > > them, there will be some beating, and the beating will change
as
> > the
> > > pitch input changes. Patching the Sawtooth of one into the
Sync of
> > the
> > > other one will eliminate this beating, if the Osc's are tuned
> > closely to
> > > begin with.
> > >
> > > roelelec wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My question is: what's the use of soft sync in general?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

--- On Fri, 2/20/09, roelelec <r.steverink@...> wrote:

From: roelelec <r.steverink@...>
Subject: [SergeModular] Re: Soft Sync + Linear FM
To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 10:39 AM

That's something I haven't tried yet.
Thanks for the tip.
I will try this, cause I'm also very curious how much it
differs/matches the soft sync effect of the other osc's.

The Timegen osc is still a puzzle to me.
I don't remember how I patched it (I'm gonna note these findings
carefully down from now on) but a couple of times turning the rise
knob revealed only a small area of frequenties, just if the right
part was transformed in a notch filter or something?

I also haven't the faintest idea what the signal in's (in the middle)
can be used for?

Cheers,

Roel

--- In SergeModular@ yahoogroups. com, "kkonkkrete" <kkonkkrete@ ...>
wrote:
>
>
> If I remember correctly, you can get some (roughly) hard-sync style
> effects using your timegen osc, or more generally any of the slope /
> transient generator variants. Use the trigger switch to make the
> right half self trigger (oscillate). Now patch the gate out of the
> left half into the trig in of the right half. I think you should
now
> have the right oscillator re-triggered by the left oscillator. Mess
> with frequency offsets. Instant razorblade cocktail. Just don't
cut
> yourself.
>
>
> --- In SergeModular@ yahoogroups. com, "roelelec" <r.steverink@ >
wrote:
> >
> > Hi John,
> >
> > Yeah I know what sync is, that it eliminates the beating when two
> > osc's frequenties are locked in together. It's the way of getting
> > razor sharp sounds in stead of the more organic, floating sounds
like
> > f.e. strings.
> > But is soft syc then only the soft variant of hard sync? I'm no
> > technician. I'm interested and very much like to know.
> >
> > Cause I reckon soft sync must have more uses that only
eliminating
> > the beating. Why otherwise did Serge include soft sync in his
osc's
> > and not the so favourable hard sync? Which are the secrets?
> >
> > Thanks for the info on the waveforms!
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Roel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In SergeModular@ yahoogroups. com, John P <johnp299792@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > soft sync is used when you want two or more oscillators to
track
> > > together, in sync, *without* beating.
> > > If you patch two oscillators from, say, your SSG Stepped Out
into
> > their
> > > 1V/Oct inputs, they will track together, but no matter how well
you
> > tune
> > > them, there will be some beating, and the beating will change
as
> > the
> > > pitch input changes. Patching the Sawtooth of one into the
Sync of
> > the
> > > other one will eliminate this beating, if the Osc's are tuned
> > closely to
> > > begin with.
> > >
> > > roelelec wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My question is: what's the use of soft sync in general?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

>
> black audio ins:
> for slew limiting (cv as an input), lowpass filtering(audio as an

>
>
>
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
>
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
>
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
>
> www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
>
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
>
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
>
> www. DiN. org. uk
>
> www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
>
> www. shimarecords. co. uk
>
> www. rubberrecords. gr
>
> Athens - Greece
>
> --- On Fri, 2/20/09, roelelec <r.steverink@...> wrote:
> From: roelelec <r.steverink@...>
> Subject: [SergeModular] Re: Soft Sync + Linear FM
> To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 10:39 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> That's something I haven't tried yet.
>
> Thanks for the tip.
>
> I will try this, cause I'm also very curious how much it
>
> differs/matches the soft sync effect of the other osc's.
>
>
>
> The Timegen osc is still a puzzle to me.
>
> I don't remember how I patched it (I'm gonna note these findings
>
> carefully down from now on) but a couple of times turning the rise
>
> knob revealed only a small area of frequenties, just if the right
>
> part was transformed in a notch filter or something?
>
>
>
> I also haven't the faintest idea what the signal in's (in the

>
> can be used for?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Roel
>
>
>
> --- In SergeModular@ yahoogroups. com, "kkonkkrete"

>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > If I remember correctly, you can get some (roughly) hard-sync

>
> > effects using your timegen osc, or more generally any of the

>
> > transient generator variants. Use the trigger switch to make the
>
> > right half self trigger (oscillate). Now patch the gate out of

>
> > left half into the trig in of the right half. I think you should
>
> now
>
> > have the right oscillator re-triggered by the left oscillator.

>
> > with frequency offsets. Instant razorblade cocktail. Just don't
>
> cut
>
> > yourself.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > --- In SergeModular@ yahoogroups. com, "roelelec" <r.steverink@ >
>
> wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > Hi John,
>
> > >
>
> > > Yeah I know what sync is, that it eliminates the beating when

>
> > > osc's frequenties are locked in together. It's the way of

>
> > > razor sharp sounds in stead of the more organic, floating

>
> like
>
> > > f.e. strings.
>
> > > But is soft syc then only the soft variant of hard sync? I'm no
>
> > > technician. I'm interested and very much like to know.
>
> > >
>
> > > Cause I reckon soft sync must have more uses that only
>
> eliminating
>
> > > the beating. Why otherwise did Serge include soft sync in his
>
> osc's
>
> > > and not the so favourable hard sync? Which are the secrets?
>
> > >
>
> > > Thanks for the info on the waveforms!
>
> > >
>
> > > Cheers,
>
> > >
>
> > > Roel
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > --- In SergeModular@ yahoogroups. com, John P <johnp299792@ >

>
> > > >
>
> > > > soft sync is used when you want two or more oscillators to
>
> track
>
> > > > together, in sync, *without* beating.
>
> > > > If you patch two oscillators from, say, your SSG Stepped Out
>
> into
>
> > > their
>
> > > > 1V/Oct inputs, they will track together, but no matter how

>
> you
>
> > > tune
>
> > > > them, there will be some beating, and the beating will change
>
> as
>
> > > the
>
> > > > pitch input changes. Patching the Sawtooth of one into the
>
> Sync of
>
> > > the
>
> > > > other one will eliminate this beating, if the Osc's are tuned
>
> > > closely to
>
> > > > begin with.
>
> > > >
>
> > > > roelelec wrote:
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > My question is: what's the use of soft sync in general?
>
> > > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > >
>
> >
>

>
> i forgot:
> black audio ins:
>
> also, input a gate there, to create an ASR envelope instead of an

>
>
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
>
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
>
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
>
> www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
>
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
>
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
>
> www. DiN. org. uk
>
> www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
>
> www. shimarecords. co. uk
>
> www. rubberrecords. gr
>
> Athens - Greece
>
> --- On Fri, 2/20/09, roelelec <r.steverink@...> wrote:
> From: roelelec <r.steverink@...>
> Subject: [SergeModular] Re: Soft Sync + Linear FM
> To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 10:39 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> That's something I haven't tried yet.
>
> Thanks for the tip.
>
> I will try this, cause I'm also very curious how much it
>
> differs/matches the soft sync effect of the other osc's.
>
>
>
> The Timegen osc is still a puzzle to me.
>
> I don't remember how I patched it (I'm gonna note these findings
>
> carefully down from now on) but a couple of times turning the rise
>
> knob revealed only a small area of frequenties, just if the right
>
> part was transformed in a notch filter or something?
>
>
>
> I also haven't the faintest idea what the signal in's (in the

>
> can be used for?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Roel
>
>
>
> --- In SergeModular@ yahoogroups. com, "kkonkkrete"

>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > If I remember correctly, you can get some (roughly) hard-sync

>
> > effects using your timegen osc, or more generally any of the

>
> > transient generator variants. Use the trigger switch to make the
>
> > right half self trigger (oscillate). Now patch the gate out of

>
> > left half into the trig in of the right half. I think you should
>
> now
>
> > have the right oscillator re-triggered by the left oscillator.

>
> > with frequency offsets. Instant razorblade cocktail. Just don't
>
> cut
>
> > yourself.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > --- In SergeModular@ yahoogroups. com, "roelelec" <r.steverink@ >
>
> wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > Hi John,
>
> > >
>
> > > Yeah I know what sync is, that it eliminates the beating when

>
> > > osc's frequenties are locked in together. It's the way of

>
> > > razor sharp sounds in stead of the more organic, floating

>
> like
>
> > > f.e. strings.
>
> > > But is soft syc then only the soft variant of hard sync? I'm no
>
> > > technician. I'm interested and very much like to know.
>
> > >
>
> > > Cause I reckon soft sync must have more uses that only
>
> eliminating
>
> > > the beating. Why otherwise did Serge include soft sync in his
>
> osc's
>
> > > and not the so favourable hard sync? Which are the secrets?
>
> > >
>
> > > Thanks for the info on the waveforms!
>
> > >
>
> > > Cheers,
>
> > >
>
> > > Roel
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > --- In SergeModular@ yahoogroups. com, John P <johnp299792@ >

>
> > > >
>
> > > > soft sync is used when you want two or more oscillators to
>
> track
>
> > > > together, in sync, *without* beating.
>
> > > > If you patch two oscillators from, say, your SSG Stepped Out
>
> into
>
> > > their
>
> > > > 1V/Oct inputs, they will track together, but no matter how

>
> you
>
> > > tune
>
> > > > them, there will be some beating, and the beating will change
>
> as
>
> > > the
>
> > > > pitch input changes. Patching the Sawtooth of one into the
>
> Sync of
>
> > > the
>
> > > > other one will eliminate this beating, if the Osc's are tuned
>
> > > closely to
>
> > > > begin with.
>
> > > >
>
> > > > roelelec wrote:
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > My question is: what's the use of soft sync in general?
>
> > > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > >
>
> >
>

>
> i forgot:
> black audio ins:
>
> also, input a gate there, to create an ASR envelope instead of an

>
>
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
>
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
>
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
>
> www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
>
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
>
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
>
> www. DiN. org. uk
>
> www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
>
> www. shimarecords. co. uk
>
> www. rubberrecords. gr
>
> Athens - Greece
>
> --- On Fri, 2/20/09, roelelec <r.steverink@...> wrote:
> From: roelelec <r.steverink@...>
> Subject: [SergeModular] Re: Soft Sync + Linear FM
> To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 10:39 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> That's something I haven't tried yet.
>
> Thanks for the tip.
>
> I will try this, cause I'm also very curious how much it
>
> differs/matches the soft sync effect of the other osc's.
>
>
>
> The Timegen osc is still a puzzle to me.
>
> I don't remember how I patched it (I'm gonna note these findings
>
> carefully down from now on) but a couple of times turning the rise
>
> knob revealed only a small area of frequenties, just if the right
>
> part was transformed in a notch filter or something?
>
>
>
> I also haven't the faintest idea what the signal in's (in the

>
> can be used for?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Roel
>
>
>
> --- In SergeModular@ yahoogroups. com, "kkonkkrete"

>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > If I remember correctly, you can get some (roughly) hard-sync

>
> > effects using your timegen osc, or more generally any of the

>
> > transient generator variants. Use the trigger switch to make the
>
> > right half self trigger (oscillate). Now patch the gate out of

>
> > left half into the trig in of the right half. I think you should
>
> now
>
> > have the right oscillator re-triggered by the left oscillator.

>
> > with frequency offsets. Instant razorblade cocktail. Just don't
>
> cut
>
> > yourself.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > --- In SergeModular@ yahoogroups. com, "roelelec" <r.steverink@ >
>
> wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > Hi John,
>
> > >
>
> > > Yeah I know what sync is, that it eliminates the beating when

>
> > > osc's frequenties are locked in together. It's the way of

>
> > > razor sharp sounds in stead of the more organic, floating

>
> like
>
> > > f.e. strings.
>
> > > But is soft syc then only the soft variant of hard sync? I'm no
>
> > > technician. I'm interested and very much like to know.
>
> > >
>
> > > Cause I reckon soft sync must have more uses that only
>
> eliminating
>
> > > the beating. Why otherwise did Serge include soft sync in his
>
> osc's
>
> > > and not the so favourable hard sync? Which are the secrets?
>
> > >
>
> > > Thanks for the info on the waveforms!
>
> > >
>
> > > Cheers,
>
> > >
>
> > > Roel
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > --- In SergeModular@ yahoogroups. com, John P <johnp299792@ >

>
> > > >
>
> > > > soft sync is used when you want two or more oscillators to
>
> track
>
> > > > together, in sync, *without* beating.
>
> > > > If you patch two oscillators from, say, your SSG Stepped Out
>
> into
>
> > > their
>
> > > > 1V/Oct inputs, they will track together, but no matter how

>
> you
>
> > > tune
>
> > > > them, there will be some beating, and the beating will change
>
> as
>
> > > the
>
> > > > pitch input changes. Patching the Sawtooth of one into the
>
> Sync of
>
> > > the
>
> > > > other one will eliminate this beating, if the Osc's are tuned
>
> > > closely to
>
> > > > begin with.
>
> > > >
>
> > > > roelelec wrote:
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > My question is: what's the use of soft sync in general?
>
> > > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > >
>
> >
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "roelelec" <r.steverink@...> wrote:
>
> Something struck me about the arrows.
> I think I have it now. The arrow points in the direction which part
> it corresponds with. So the left side works with the signal in left
> pointed arrow and the right pointed arrow with the right part.
> Or is it more complicated?
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros
> <synth_freak_2000@> wrote:
> >
> > i forgot:
> > black audio ins:
> >
> > also, input a gate there, to create an ASR envelope instead of an
> AR envelope that the TG 'normally' is.
> >
> >
> > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> >
> > [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> >
> > www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> >
> > www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> >
> > www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> >
> > www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> >
> > www. DiN. org. uk
> >
> > www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
> >
> > www. shimarecords. co. uk
> >
> > www. rubberrecords. gr
> >
> > Athens - Greece
> >
> > --- On Fri, 2/20/09, roelelec <r.steverink@> wrote:
> > From: roelelec <r.steverink@>
> > Subject: [SergeModular] Re: Soft Sync + Linear FM
> > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 10:39 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > That's something I haven't tried yet.
> >
> > Thanks for the tip.
> >
> > I will try this, cause I'm also very curious how much it
> >
> > differs/matches the soft sync effect of the other osc's.
> >
> >
> >
> > The Timegen osc is still a puzzle to me.
> >
> > I don't remember how I patched it (I'm gonna note these findings
> >
> > carefully down from now on) but a couple of times turning the rise
> >
> > knob revealed only a small area of frequenties, just if the right
> >
> > part was transformed in a notch filter or something?
> >
> >
> >
> > I also haven't the faintest idea what the signal in's (in the
> middle)
> >
> > can be used for?
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> >
> >
> > Roel
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In SergeModular@ yahoogroups. com, "kkonkkrete"
> <kkonkkrete@ ...>
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > If I remember correctly, you can get some (roughly) hard-sync
> style
> >
> > > effects using your timegen osc, or more generally any of the
> slope /
> >
> > > transient generator variants. Use the trigger switch to make the
> >
> > > right half self trigger (oscillate). Now patch the gate out of
> the
> >
> > > left half into the trig in of the right half. I think you should
> >
> > now
> >
> > > have the right oscillator re-triggered by the left oscillator.
> Mess
> >
> > > with frequency offsets. Instant razorblade cocktail. Just don't
> >
> > cut
> >
> > > yourself.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > --- In SergeModular@ yahoogroups. com, "roelelec" <r.steverink@ >
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > Hi John,
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > Yeah I know what sync is, that it eliminates the beating when
> two
> >
> > > > osc's frequenties are locked in together. It's the way of
> getting
> >
> > > > razor sharp sounds in stead of the more organic, floating
> sounds
> >
> > like
> >
> > > > f.e. strings.
> >
> > > > But is soft syc then only the soft variant of hard sync? I'm no
> >
> > > > technician. I'm interested and very much like to know.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > Cause I reckon soft sync must have more uses that only
> >
> > eliminating
> >
> > > > the beating. Why otherwise did Serge include soft sync in his
> >
> > osc's
> >
> > > > and not the so favourable hard sync? Which are the secrets?
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > Thanks for the info on the waveforms!
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > Cheers,
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > Roel
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > --- In SergeModular@ yahoogroups. com, John P <johnp299792@ >
> wrote:
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > soft sync is used when you want two or more oscillators to
> >
> > track
> >
> > > > > together, in sync, *without* beating.
> >
> > > > > If you patch two oscillators from, say, your SSG Stepped Out
> >
> > into
> >
> > > > their
> >
> > > > > 1V/Oct inputs, they will track together, but no matter how
> well
> >
> > you
> >
> > > > tune
> >
> > > > > them, there will be some beating, and the beating will change
> >
> > as
> >
> > > > the
> >
> > > > > pitch input changes. Patching the Sawtooth of one into the
> >
> > Sync of
> >
> > > > the
> >
> > > > > other one will eliminate this beating, if the Osc's are tuned
> >
> > > > closely to
> >
> > > > > begin with.
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > roelelec wrote:
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > My question is: what's the use of soft sync in general?
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> >
>

>
>
> Eureka. You've solved it.
>
> I think it's pretty much the densest and most complex 'module' on

> modular system I know of. Each half can be LFO, AD, ASD, low-pass
> gate, slew limiter, audio oscillator, trigger delay, envelope
> follower, sub-oscillator / pulse divider, and probably some other
> things I've forgotten too.
>
> Have fun...
>
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "roelelec" <r.steverink@>

> >
> > Something struck me about the arrows.
> > I think I have it now. The arrow points in the direction which

> > it corresponds with. So the left side works with the signal in

> > pointed arrow and the right pointed arrow with the right part.
> > Or is it more complicated?
> >
> > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros
> > <synth_freak_2000@> wrote:
> > >
> > > i forgot:
> > > black audio ins:
> > >
> > > also, input a gate there, to create an ASR envelope instead of

> > AR envelope that the TG 'normally' is.
> > >
> > >
> > > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> > >
> > > [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> > >
> > > www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> > >
> > > www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> > >
> > > www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> > >
> > > www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> > >
> > > www. DiN. org. uk
> > >
> > > www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
> > >
> > > www. shimarecords. co. uk
> > >
> > > www. rubberrecords. gr
> > >
> > > Athens - Greece
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 2/20/09, roelelec <r.steverink@> wrote:
> > > From: roelelec <r.steverink@>
> > > Subject: [SergeModular] Re: Soft Sync + Linear FM
> > > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 10:39 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > That's something I haven't tried yet.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the tip.
> > >
> > > I will try this, cause I'm also very curious how much it
> > >
> > > differs/matches the soft sync effect of the other osc's.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The Timegen osc is still a puzzle to me.
> > >
> > > I don't remember how I patched it (I'm gonna note these

> > >
> > > carefully down from now on) but a couple of times turning the

> > >
> > > knob revealed only a small area of frequenties, just if the

> > >
> > > part was transformed in a notch filter or something?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I also haven't the faintest idea what the signal in's (in the
> > middle)
> > >
> > > can be used for?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Roel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In SergeModular@ yahoogroups. com, "kkonkkrete"
> > <kkonkkrete@ ...>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > If I remember correctly, you can get some (roughly) hard-sync
> > style
> > >
> > > > effects using your timegen osc, or more generally any of the
> > slope /
> > >
> > > > transient generator variants. Use the trigger switch to make

> > >
> > > > right half self trigger (oscillate). Now patch the gate out

> > the
> > >
> > > > left half into the trig in of the right half. I think you

> > >
> > > now
> > >
> > > > have the right oscillator re-triggered by the left

> > Mess
> > >
> > > > with frequency offsets. Instant razorblade cocktail. Just

> > >
> > > cut
> > >
> > > > yourself.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > --- In SergeModular@ yahoogroups. com, "roelelec"

> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Hi John,
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Yeah I know what sync is, that it eliminates the beating

> > two
> > >
> > > > > osc's frequenties are locked in together. It's the way of
> > getting
> > >
> > > > > razor sharp sounds in stead of the more organic, floating
> > sounds
> > >
> > > like
> > >
> > > > > f.e. strings.
> > >
> > > > > But is soft syc then only the soft variant of hard sync?

> > >
> > > > > technician. I'm interested and very much like to know.
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Cause I reckon soft sync must have more uses that only
> > >
> > > eliminating
> > >
> > > > > the beating. Why otherwise did Serge include soft sync in

> > >
> > > osc's
> > >
> > > > > and not the so favourable hard sync? Which are the secrets?
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Thanks for the info on the waveforms!
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Roel
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > --- In SergeModular@ yahoogroups. com, John P <johnp299792@
>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > soft sync is used when you want two or more oscillators

> > >
> > > track
> > >
> > > > > > together, in sync, *without* beating.
> > >
> > > > > > If you patch two oscillators from, say, your SSG Stepped

> > >
> > > into
> > >
> > > > > their
> > >
> > > > > > 1V/Oct inputs, they will track together, but no matter

> > well
> > >
> > > you
> > >
> > > > > tune
> > >
> > > > > > them, there will be some beating, and the beating will

> > >
> > > as
> > >
> > > > > the
> > >
> > > > > > pitch input changes. Patching the Sawtooth of one into

> > >
> > > Sync of
> > >
> > > > > the
> > >
> > > > > > other one will eliminate this beating, if the Osc's are

> > >
> > > > > closely to
> > >
> > > > > > begin with.
> > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > roelelec wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > My question is: what's the use of soft sync in general?
> > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>