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Re: hidden VCA's

2009-06-07 by matthew carpenter

Using DSGs or similar as a low-pass gate is a good idea and I was just doing that last night for the same reason.
You could try incorporating a triggered VCFQ and the Quadrature Oscillator via its built-in VCAs.

Matt

Re: hidden VCA's

2009-06-08 by stkorn

Thanks, Matt. Yeah, I think with the DSG's acting as low pass gates I should be able to get by until I can get some proper VCAs. However, I'm not sure I understand what you meant about incorporating the QUO, since it doesn't have any signal input jacks. Did you just mean to use that as a modulator since it already has a built-in VCA?

Steve

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--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, matthew carpenter <matfhew.carpenfer@...> wrote:
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> Using DSGs or similar as a low-pass gate is a good idea and I was just doing
> that last night for the same reason.
> You could try incorporating a triggered VCFQ and the Quadrature Oscillator
> via its built-in VCAs.
>
> Matt
>

Re: hidden VCA's

2009-06-08 by matthew carpenter

Yeah, I just meant use it as a modulator or source since it has the built-in VCAs.
Active Processors make great VCAs, as well.

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On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 10:09 PM, stkorn <stkorn@...> wrote:

Thanks, Matt. Yeah, I think with the DSG's acting as low pass gates I should be able to get by until I can get some proper VCAs. However, I'm not sure I understand what you meant about incorporating the QUO, since it doesn't have any signal input jacks. Did you just mean to use that as a modulator since it already has a built-in VCA?

Steve

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, matthew carpenter <matfhew.carpenfer@...> wrote:
>
> Using DSGs or similar as a low-pass gate is a good idea and I was just doing
> that last night for the same reason.
> You could try incorporating a triggered VCFQ and the Quadrature Oscillator
> via its built-in VCAs.
>
> Matt
>

Re: hidden VCA's

2009-06-08 by Chris Muir

On Jun 6, 2009, at 9:39 PM, stkorn wrote:

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> Today I tried using the DSG as a VCA (technically low-pass gate I
> guess)

So what, exactly, do Serge folks mean when they say "low pass gate,"
anyway? It's an old Buchla term that most people think means a two-
pole, ringy, vactrol filter / gain stage, but I think that Serge
people must mean something different, as I don't think that the Serge
uses vactrols in it's filters or amplifiers.

Are there any samples of the DSG posing as a low pass gate?

- C

Chris Muir
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Re: hidden VCA's

2009-06-08 by matthew carpenter

Yes, it is something different than a Buchla low-pass gate. There's no ringing at all but a DSG, DTG, or TGO does act as a gate with low-pass characteristics, i.e., a gentle roll-off of the high frequency content of the signal.

You're correct that the Serge does not use vactrols in its VCAs or filters, as far as I know, but my Dual Phaser has some on the VC inputs and I imagine the single Phaser does, as well. Maybe others have spotted them elsewhere... This has nothing to do with the above topic vis a vis vactrols in gain elements but I thought I'd mention it just the same since I found the discovery interesting.

Matt

hi i'm new, and trying to save for a creature

2009-06-08 by X + Z = 0

i'm erwin from antwerp, Belgium
i've been reading a lot, and hearing a lot of samples, youtube stuff etc
i must say serge speaks to me much more than other modular systems
especially banana jacks, multifunctionality of modules and ofcourse the
sounds it can generate
it a lot of money for me, but i rather buy one module a year than being
addicted to more socalled cheaper modules that have one function if i
would go euro or 5u,.., having more quanty etc.
i would get creature and mboat and later a other m module that
compliments the creature the best. seems that will give already enough
synth power, and later i woud see what I would do further.
i like a lot of different music
but lot of electronic musik speaks too me the most, from avant garde,
early electronics pioniers, berlin school, nik raicevic, cecil leuter,
the mc clean couple, .... some early electro and some dtroit techno etc
the serge seems like lot of fun and in someway therapuetic
i'm myself autistic, and wonder if there other people outthere in the
electronic, experimental world
love to hear recordings, advice and make friends
all the best
erwin

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Re: hi i'm new, and trying to save for a creature

2009-06-08 by matthew carpenter

Welcome, Erwin!
I do hope you are able to get your Creature.
And I find the Serge to be therapeutic -- that's for sure!
Always feel free to ask any questions you might have.

Matt

Re: hi i'm new, and trying to save for a creature

2009-06-08 by X + Z = 0

thanks matt
it will be a matter of time and patience
going to start again selling records i haven't listened to in 10 or more
years etc maybe get some money back from the state for the 6 months i
was in hospital, play some shows etc
defiantly going to get one ha.
at the moment i try to figure my dsi mek out more, just deoxit and it
like new etc

what i was wondering: does a m boat fit easly in a case , suitecase
mainly for using it as transportation( not nessesarly build in) for
bring it along for gigs etc.
any other people from belgium here?

best
erwin

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> Welcome, Erwin!
> I do hope you are able to get your Creature.
> And I find the Serge to be therapeutic -- that's for sure!
> Always feel free to ask any questions you might have.
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> Matt
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Re: hi i'm new, and trying to save for a creature

2009-06-08 by yo yeah

When I was talking to Rex the other week, ordering my creature, he said he just got in an aluminum briefcase that would hold 2 panels or m-boats perfectly. I am planning on getting one, but I am sure you could find the right size case and make your own, if you wanted to. The case holds the two panels with no rack ears on them, and you can just lift them in and out of the case, apparently. the inside is square, so you can turn the panels facing either direction. sounds cool to me. . .

-jeff

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Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 3:07 PM

what i was wondering: does a m boat fit easly in a case , suitecase
mainly for using it as transportation( not nessesarly build in) for
bring it along for gigs etc.

Re: hidden VCA's

2009-06-09 by sprgroups@o2.co.uk

> You're correct that the Serge does not use vactrols in its VCAs or

filters, as far as I

> know, but my Dual Phaser has some on the VC inputs and I imagine the

single Phaser

> does, as well.

The only Serge modules with vactrols in are the phasers.

Curiously, there was a non-vactrol phaser design in one of Serges'
patents, but I don't think it ever got used in any Serge modules.
The patent included details of the "Rainmaker", so maybe he
planned to use it in that?

Steve

Re: hidden VCA's

2009-06-09 by Christopher Jacob Recording Device

I've always been a little dissappointed that there arent more vactrols in Serge. Could this be a result of it's days as a kit-built system, or is there more to it?

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On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 5:58 AM, <sprgroups@...> wrote:

> You're correct that the Serge does not use vactrols in its VCAs or
filters, as far as I
> know, but my Dual Phaser has some on the VC inputs and I imagine the
single Phaser
> does, as well.

The only Serge modules with vactrols in are the phasers.

Curiously, there was a non-vactrol phaser design in one of Serges'
patents, but I don't think it ever got used in any Serge modules.
The patent included details of the "Rainmaker", so maybe he
planned to use it in that?

Steve

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Re: hidden VCA's

2009-06-09 by matthew carpenter

I'm pretty sure it's a conscious design decision: just like the 200e doesn't have vactrol-less VCAs.

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On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Christopher Jacob Recording Device <I.AM.USING.THE.INTERNETS@...> wrote:

I've always been a little dissappointed that there arent more vactrols in Serge. Could this be a result of it's days as a kit-built system, or is there more to it?

On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 5:58 AM, <sprgroups@...> wrote:

> You're correct that the Serge does not use vactrols in its VCAs or
filters, as far as I
> know, but my Dual Phaser has some on the VC inputs and I imagine the
single Phaser
> does, as well.

The only Serge modules with vactrols in are the phasers.

Curiously, there was a non-vactrol phaser design in one of Serges'
patents, but I don't think it ever got used in any Serge modules.
The patent included details of the "Rainmaker", so maybe he
planned to use it in that?

Steve

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--Anonymous

Re: hidden VCA's

2009-06-10 by zaum

> I'm pretty sure it's a conscious design decision: just like the
> 200e doesn't
> have vactrol-less VCAs.

As far as lowpass gates go those were by and large Don Buchla's
contribution to electronic music. It's not that you need them to make
a VCA but you can use them to make an interestingly compromised VCA.

Actually if you look at synth history they were only used here and
there for the past 40 years outside of Buchla. Korg's PS series
triple resonant filter comes to mind. Before people started cloning
low pass gates a couple years ago I can only think of Wiard making a
lot of use of them during the last decade, and Grant Richter freely
admits Buchla was an influence on his designs.

Certainly Serge was influenced by Buchla too, though not the extent
he would clone and copy. It's interesting that early Serge was very
centered around creative and varied use of voltage controlled slews
and did not separate control and Audio as Buchla still does

Oh, and maybe I'm wrong but doesn't the 227e have 4 non-vactrol VCAs?

-nick