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sequence the SDS-V

2015-09-17 by nuipb1@...

Hi Group,


Is there any such thing as an adequate sequencer for the SDS-V other than the MTM ?

Ideally one that you could record with from pads and that would record the triggers of course, but also velocity and that could be clocked externally.


I found this idea here:

Simmons SDSV with MFB SEQ-01

Simmons SDSV with MFB SEQ-01
If you own a Simmons SDSV drumbrain and asking yourself what to do with some of the free module slots (if any), heres the idea how to fill it: Use a MFB SEQ-01 ...
View on www.quadratschulz.com
Preview by Yahoo

but as far as I know the MFB SEQ-1 supplies only Accent (that is 2 levels of voltages) not all the voltage range between 0V & 1,5V (1,5V being the maximum voltage via the Pads inputs right ?)


I also heard about connecting each SDS module input to a separate output of a Roland TR-707 for example, but I believe the TR-707 has only accents too (I'll have to check on that), so no velocity.


So what nice solution did you guys find for this job ?


Phil

Re: [Simmons Drums] sequence the SDS-V

2015-09-18 by Nick Zampiello

the mfb is rudimentary but def works well.
i've done this mod with 2 SDSVs.  i use them all the time together actually
::: Simmons SDS-V of the Future :::

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| ::: Simmons SDS-V of the Future :::I've promised these and so fresh for 2013 here they are!  Extensive photos of the inner life and workings of a Simmons SDS-V with the MFB SEQ-01 sequencer built in... |
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     On Thursday, September 17, 2015 6:20 PM, "nuipb1@... [Simmons_Drums]" <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   

     Hi Group,
Is there any such thing as an adequate sequencer for the SDS-V other than the MTM ?Ideally one that you could record with from pads and that would record the triggers of course, but also velocity and that could be clocked externally.

I found this idea here:Simmons SDSV with MFB SEQ-01
 
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|    |        |    |       Simmons SDSV with MFB SEQ-01  If you own a Simmons SDSV drumbrain and asking yourself what to do with some of the free module slots (if any), heres the idea how to fill it: Use a MFB SEQ-01 ...    |    |
|      View on www.quadratschulz.com      |    Preview by Yahoo    |
|    |

 but as far as I know the MFB SEQ-1 supplies only Accent (that is 2 levels of voltages) not all the voltage range between 0V & 1,5V (1,5V being the maximum voltage via the Pads inputs right ?)
I also heard about connecting each SDS module input to a separate output of a Roland TR-707 for example, but I believe the TR-707 has only accents too (I'll have to check on that), so no velocity.
So what nice solution did you guys find for this job ?
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Re: [Simmons Drums] sequence the SDS-V

2015-09-18 by Thomas Heckmann

Hi,

there is a dedicated SDS V sequencer that is the SDS-6 ;-) It has dynamic trigger programming (7 steps as far as I remember).

Also I’m using a couple of the Elby Designs / Ken Stone Midi 2SDS(X) modules for the Eurorack.
You can play them dynamic over Midi and it has 8 programmable outputs.

Works fine with all the drum synths that I have and the SDS.

There’s also the Tama TSQ-1000 trigger sequencer, but it’s quite hard to find.

Best,

Thomas

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On 18 Sep 2015, at 00:05, nuipb1@... [Simmons_Drums] <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi Group,


Is there any such thing as an adequate sequencer for the SDS-V other than the MTM ?

Ideally one that you could record with from pads and that would record the triggers of course, but also velocity and that could be clocked externally.


I found this idea here:

Simmons SDSV with MFB SEQ-01

Simmons SDSV with MFB SEQ-01
If you own a Simmons SDSV drumbrain and asking yourself what to do with some of the free module slots (if any), heres the idea how to fill it: Use a MFB SEQ-01 ...
View on www.quadratschulz.com
Preview by Yahoo

but as far as I know the MFB SEQ-1 supplies only Accent (that is 2 levels of voltages) not all the voltage range between 0V & 1,5V (1,5V being the maximum voltage via the Pads inputs right ?)


I also heard about connecting each SDS module input to a separate output of a Roland TR-707 for example, but I believe the TR-707 has only accents too (I'll have to check on that), so no velocity.


So what nice solution did you guys find for this job ?


Phil


Re: [Simmons Drums] sequence the SDS-V

2015-09-18 by jesper

Den 2015-09-18 kl. 00:05, skrev nuipb1@... [Simmons_Drums]:
> Hi Group,
>
>
> Is there any such thing as an adequate sequencer for the SDS-V other
> than the MTM ?

I'd say the SDS-6 is _theee_ sequencer for the SDS-V. But it's large, 
rare and not always easy to combine with more modern equipment. The MTM 
is not a sequencer, it's a converter.

> Ideally one that you could record with from pads and that would record
> the triggers of course, but also velocity and that could be clocked
> externally.

I think the SDS-6 does this. But I'll pass that on to owners of it...

> but as far as I know the MFB SEQ-1 supplies only Accent (that is 2
> levels of voltages) not all the voltage range between 0V & 1,5V (1,5V
> being the maximum voltage via the Pads inputs right ?)

Basically yes, or use the sequencer input and hotter signals.

> So what nice solution did you guys find for this job ?

Prior to getting an MTM I sometimes used auxes from a Kenton converter 
if I wanted velocity sensitivity. But since buying the MTM (which I 
never regretted) I use that (in combination with Cubase) for everything 
you describe you want to do.

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Re: [Simmons Drums] sequence the SDS-V

2015-09-18 by Nick Zampiello

I also have the SDS6 and i believe it has several levels of accent per note.The one i have has no midi.  i modified the gate / seq input to allow more modern units to drive it.
the mfb is very limited in accent but it fits right into the SDSV rack!
i use the extra instruments to control bass or synth arpeggios too!
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Re: sequence the SDS-V

2015-09-18 by Chris Jenkins

You could get Kenton to fit the SDSV with MIDI, then sequence it from anything. Or you could get a Kenton ProKADI box, which turns MIDI into triggers, or a Kenton Pro 2 or Pro 4, which also feature a KADI interface. If you want a Simmons-only solution, didn't the Simmons Portakit feature pads, sequencer, and trigger outputs?

Re: sequence the SDS-V

2015-09-18 by Chris Jenkins

You could get Kenton to fit the SDSV with MIDI, then sequence it from anything. Or you could get a Kenton ProKADI box, which turns MIDI into triggers, or a Kenton Pro 2 or Pro 4, which also feature a KADI interface. If you want a Simmons-only solution, didn't the Simmons Portakit feature pads, sequencer, and trigger outputs?

Re: [Simmons Drums] sequence the SDS-V

2015-09-19 by Phil a

Good to know, yet you confirm that with the MFB you have only 1 level of velocity + 1 accent right ?
I guess you connect it to the pad inputs ?

Phil

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On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 5:36 AM, Nick Zampiello newallianceeast@... [Simmons_Drums] <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

the mfb is rudimentary but def works well.

i've done this mod with 2 SDSVs. i use them all the time together actually

::: Simmons SDS-V of the Future :::
I've promised these and so fresh for 2013 here they are! Extensive photos of the inner life and workings of a Simmons SDS-V with the MFB SEQ-01 sequencer built in...
Preview by Yahoo


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On Thursday, September 17, 2015 6:20 PM, "nuipb1@... [Simmons_Drums]" <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hi Group,

Is there any such thing as an adequate sequencer for the SDS-V other than the MTM ?
Ideally one that you could record with from pads and that would record the triggers of course, but also velocity and that could be clocked externally.

I found this idea here:
Simmons SDSV with MFB SEQ-01
If you own a Simmons SDSV drumbrain and asking yourself what to do with some of the free module slots (if any), heres the idea how to fill it: Use a MFB SEQ-01 ...
Preview by Yahoo
but as far as I know the MFB SEQ-1 supplies only Accent (that is 2 levels of voltages) not all the voltage range between 0V & 1,5V (1,5V being the maximum voltage via the Pads inputs right ?)

I also heard about connecting each SDS module input to a separate output of a Roland TR-707 for example, but I believe the TR-707 has only accents too (I'll have to check on that), so no velocity.

So what nice solution did you guys find for this job ?

Phil



Re: [Simmons Drums] sequence the SDS-V

2015-09-19 by Phil a

I might look into the SDS-6, any idea how much these go for on average these days ?
Will definitely look into the Elby Designs / Ken Stone Midi 2SDS further also, thanks.

Phil

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On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Thomas Heckmann troperecordings@... [Simmons_Drums] <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi,


there is a dedicated SDS V sequencer that is the SDS-6 ;-) It has dynamic trigger programming (7 steps as far as I remember).

Also I’m using a couple of the Elby Designs / Ken Stone Midi 2SDS(X) modules for the Eurorack.
You can play them dynamic over Midi and it has 8 programmable outputs.

Works fine with all the drum synths that I have and the SDS.

There’s also the Tama TSQ-1000 trigger sequencer, but it’s quite hard to find.

Best,

Thomas

Thomas P. Heckmann
troperecordings - afu limited - afulab - trope mastering

On 18 Sep 2015, at 00:05, nuipb1@... [Simmons_Drums] <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi Group,


Is there any such thing as an adequate sequencer for the SDS-V other than the MTM ?

Ideally one that you could record with from pads and that would record the triggers of course, but also velocity and that could be clocked externally.


I found this idea here:

Simmons SDSV with MFB SEQ-01

Simmons SDSV with MFB SEQ-01
If you own a Simmons SDSV drumbrain and asking yourself what to do with some of the free module slots (if any), heres the idea how to fill it: Use a MFB SEQ-01 ...
Preview by Yahoo

but as far as I know the MFB SEQ-1 supplies only Accent (that is 2 levels of voltages) not all the voltage range between 0V & 1,5V (1,5V being the maximum voltage via the Pads inputs right ?)


I also heard about connecting each SDS module input to a separate output of a Roland TR-707 for example, but I believe the TR-707 has only accents too (I'll have to check on that), so no velocity.


So what nice solution did you guys find for this job ?


Phil



Re: [Simmons Drums] sequence the SDS-V

2015-09-19 by Phil a

MTM might also be an interesting solution. Have you noticed any kind of latency on the MIDI path ?

Phil

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On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 9:44 AM, jesper jesper@... [Simmons_Drums] <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Den 2015-09-18 kl. 00:05, skrev nuipb1@... [Simmons_Drums]:
> Hi Group,
>
>
> Is there any such thing as an adequate sequencer for the SDS-V other
> than the MTM ?

I'd say the SDS-6 is _theee_ sequencer for the SDS-V. But it's large,
rare and not always easy to combine with more modern equipment. The MTM
is not a sequencer, it's a converter.

> Ideally one that you could record with from pads and that would record
> the triggers of course, but also velocity and that could be clocked
> externally.

I think the SDS-6 does this. But I'll pass that on to owners of it...

> but as far as I know the MFB SEQ-1 supplies only Accent (that is 2
> levels of voltages) not all the voltage range between 0V & 1,5V (1,5V
> being the maximum voltage via the Pads inputs right ?)

Basically yes, or use the sequencer input and hotter signals.

> So what nice solution did you guys find for this job ?

Prior to getting an MTM I sometimes used auxes from a Kenton converter
if I wanted velocity sensitivity. But since buying the MTM (which I
never regretted) I use that (in combination with Cubase) for everything
you describe you want to do.

--
electronically yours, jesper

- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
www.electronic-obsession.se

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Re: sequence the SDS-V

2015-09-19 by Scott Gibbons

I would love an SDS6 - What's a fair price for one? I've been looking for years but never saw one for sale. If anyone here has one they would part with please let me know! 

I have several Phi Tech Translator 2's that I use with my SDS's, Drum X and Clap Trap. That lets me use any MIDI sequencer. Doepfer and Paia both have MIDI to velocity sensitive gate solutions, but the Translator 2 regularly (but not frequently) pops up on eBay in the USA for much less coin - I don't think I ever paid more than $100 for any of mine. Only caveat is that it doesn't control Simmons' open / closed hi hat like the MTM.

all my best,
- Scott

Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: sequence the SDS-V

2015-09-19 by Nick Zampiello

i think there's only 100 or so SDS6's
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     On Saturday, September 19, 2015 12:48 PM, "Scott Gibbons scott@... [Simmons_Drums]" <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   

     I would love an SDS6 - What's a fair price for one? I've been looking for years but never saw one for sale. If anyone here has one they would part with please let me know! 

I have several Phi Tech Translator 2's that I use with my SDS's, Drum X and Clap Trap. That lets me use any MIDI sequencer. Doepfer and Paia both have MIDI to velocity sensitive gate solutions, but the Translator 2 regularly (but not frequently) pops up on eBay in the USA for much less coin - I don't think I ever paid more than $100 for any of mine. Only caveat is that it doesn't control Simmons' open / closed hi hat like the MTM.

all my best,
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Re: [Simmons Drums] sequence the SDS-V

2015-09-20 by jesper

I haven't experienced any problems there... though I might add that the 
midi thru doesn't work on any of the three units I own.

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Den 2015-09-19 kl. 18:23, skrev Phil a nuipb1@... [Simmons_Drums]:
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> MTM might also be an interesting solution. Have you noticed any kind of
> latency on the MIDI path ?
>
> Phil
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 9:44 AM, jesper jesper@...
> <mailto:jesper@...> [Simmons_Drums]
> <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>>
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>     __
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>     Den 2015-09-18 kl. 00:05, skrev nuipb1@...
>     <mailto:nuipb1@...> [Simmons_Drums]:
>      > Hi Group,
>      >
>      >
>      > Is there any such thing as an adequate sequencer for the SDS-V other
>      > than the MTM ?
>
>     I'd say the SDS-6 is _theee_ sequencer for the SDS-V. But it's large,
>     rare and not always easy to combine with more modern equipment. The MTM
>     is not a sequencer, it's a converter.
>
>      > Ideally one that you could record with from pads and that would
>     record
>      > the triggers of course, but also velocity and that could be clocked
>      > externally.
>
>     I think the SDS-6 does this. But I'll pass that on to owners of it...
>
>      > but as far as I know the MFB SEQ-1 supplies only Accent (that is 2
>      > levels of voltages) not all the voltage range between 0V & 1,5V (1,5V
>      > being the maximum voltage via the Pads inputs right ?)
>
>     Basically yes, or use the sequencer input and hotter signals.
>
>      > So what nice solution did you guys find for this job ?
>
>     Prior to getting an MTM I sometimes used auxes from a Kenton converter
>     if I wanted velocity sensitivity. But since buying the MTM (which I
>     never regretted) I use that (in combination with Cubase) for everything
>     you describe you want to do.
>
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Re: [Simmons Drums] sequence the SDS-V

2015-09-23 by philmurr@...


Very odd the MIDI THRU not working, there's only 1 inverter between MIDI IN and THRU so it's strange for none of them to work.

Is MIDI IN working ok?

Re: [Simmons Drums] sequence the SDS-V

2015-09-23 by Nick Zampiello

those midi opto jacks do go bad on occasion. NEW ALLIANCE EAST!!!!

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     On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 11:33 AM, "philmurr@... [Simmons_Drums]" <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   

     
Very odd the MIDI THRU not working, there's only 1 inverter between MIDI IN and THRU so it's strange for none of them to work.

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Re: sequence the SDS-V

2015-09-24 by Richard Warland

If it is receiving midi signals and responding as it should then the 
opto is fine
If you have an oscilloscope check for data pulses at pin 11 of IC22.
If ok, check if you get an inverted set of pulses on pin 10 of IC22.
If ok check for inverted pulses on each side of R18
R17 should have approx 5 volts on each leg ( just a current limiting 
resistor for the midi supply)
Now if all that is good, you either have a midi socket with poor 
connectors or dry joints in that
chain above.

Not much special to midi thru. IC22 is a 74LS06 TTL hex invertor - just 
buffers and inverts the
output of the midi in opto

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