Analogue-sequencer

Hi Sean.

Well i'm not far away from Chorlton and sometimes head out there for drinks...
I would be happy to bring round my 808 or circuit bent 606 to participate in a Sync 24 test. They both have MIDI mods too so plenty of scope for testing the all possibilities out.
I'm intrigued myself by the Innerclock Systems Sync Lock unit and am very intereted in the results/performance... and hearing PPG Wave and OSCAR in the flesh would be a bonus 

Recent tests of my own Midisport 8x8 MIDI patchbay unit have showed maximum latency of 6-7ms with MIDItest64 which is poor, though at least jitter is sub 1ms. The latest drivers don't work with it, nor does the SP3 update which i've read helped reduce latency on many PC systems. Maybe that's just on the audio side though.

I only used Cubase 4 last year briefly for one project but am surprised you've had so much problem getting sync sorted but not surprised to see so many people on the forum trying to offer advice and possible solutions. Hope Sync Lock is it.

Has to be said though i do use my P3 as master clock for the rest of my set-up, as Live for all it's flexibility has had it's fair share of problems with external MIDI sync too, as anyone who checks their forums would know. Don't know if these are all solved in Live 8.

As a few folk before have mentioned on here, i would allways trust a hardware unit's ability for tighter Sync as the Master over a software based unit. Sometimes PC's are so busy doing so much clever/complicated stuff, they loose sight of basics like tight sync as a priority...

Anyway, i'll message you my mobile if you want to get in touch re. tests when you are doing them, ok.

Maybe all the Manchester (UK) based P3 users can hook up for a "Sequencer Geeks Anonymous" meeting at an undisclosed Chorlton bar... (and get pi$$ed)

Cheers,
Kev.


--- On Sun, 25/10/09, sean zoega <sean@zoega.co.uk> wrote:

From: sean zoega <sean@zoega.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [analogue-sequencer] Re: syncing with cubase
To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 25 October, 2009, 10:42






 




    
                  Just to let everyone know I have just ordered a sync-lock so I'll let 

you know if it works. I realise that my earlier question asking if 

anybody has tried it out was nonsense as the sync-lock is only just 

available. Its pretty expensive £300 by the time you have paid the 

postage and I dont know what the customs/VAT hit will be....but if it 

does work (and it better for £300!) then it will be great and will allow 

my whole studio to work in sync. The one thing that I have to try is to 

see wether I can merge the MIDI clock from sync-lock with MIDI note 

on/off messages from other controllers through the MOTO MIDI express 

without messing up the sync. As I have a varied collection of stuff 

(midi'd Jupiter 4, midi'd PPG wave 2.2, Oscar, CR78, Sequentix 

(obviously) and Korg 700s, Roland system 100/100m under Kenton control) 

it should be a reasonably thorough test. I'll let you know, if anybody 

in Chorlton has a sync 24 devive that we could try out it would complete 

the test. I must admit cant wait to get my old analogues working with 

Reaktor....best of both worlds.

cheers

sean



sean zoega wrote:

>  

>

> Colin, just read a fantastic article on the need for solid timing on the

> innerclock systems website by Steve Lipson

> thought you might also be interested

> http://web.webhost4 life.com/ innerclock/ index.asp? action=page& name=36 

> <http://web.webhost4 life.com/ innerclock/ index.asp? action=page& name=36>

> cheers

> sean

>

> Colin f wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > > Thanks Colin...I will investigate. I have lodged a question

> > > with Steinberg as I cant see any mentions of problems on any

> > > notice boards.

> > > Also I'll do the simple stuff like buying a higher quality

> > > shorter MIDI lead.

> >

> > The sure way to see what's going in, if you can beg, borrow or steal

> > another

> > laptop, would be to pass the MIDI from Cubase to the P3 through 

> something

> > like MIDI-Ox, so you can see exactly when MIDI clock bytes are being 

> sent.

> > That should clear up very quickly whether there are any missing bytes,

> > clock

> > bytes bunched tightly together, or a.n.other problem.

> >

> > > Can I ask a more general question..you

> > > mention new modes of working with MIDI clock with Cirklon but

> > > from my investigations MTC would seem to be the preferred

> > > method of syncing equipment... is there a reason why you are

> > > not going this route?

> >

> > The new timing mechanism in Cirklon is going to allow support for MTC,

> > but I

> > still prefer MIDI clock.

> > MTC is a linear timecode. It doesn't carry any information about 

> tempo but

> > rather provides an absolute timing reference, which a slaved device

> > can then

> > use to generate a pre-defined tempo clock.

> > This is primarily aimed at syncing devices where the tempo of a 

> project is

> > fixed in advance, either at a single value, or at a series of values

> > defined

> > in a tempo map - essential if you're composing to a film or video 

> source.

> > And it doesn't make much difference if you are locking MIDI tracks to

> > recorded audio tracks where the tempo is essentially fixed anyway.

> > I prefer to use MIDI clock, as I always set the tempo by feel, and

> > wouldn't

> > like to have a track tied to a certain tempo from the outset.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Colin Fraser

> > Sequentix Music Systems Ltd

> > http://www.sequenti x.com <http://www.sequenti x.com> 

> <http://www.sequenti x.com <http://www.sequenti x.com>>

> >

> >

>

> 



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