Analogue-sequencer

Cheers Kevin, it would be great to try the 808 and 606 out with my 
setup. Ive ordered the sync-lock but it may be a while as its coming 
from Oz. Thats actually OK as James (at Synth Service Centre) is doing 
the MIDI mod on my Jupiter4...so I would allow 3 weeks or so. Also Oscar 
is with a composer friend in London, so I'll see if he's finished with 
it yet...we swapped, I have his theramin pro at the moment....I was 
curious and am still playing with it...but I have anough problems get 
any music out of normal synths let alone a theramin....so pretty much 
all noise so far (some pretty cool noises though). I am also chatting to 
the guys at Innerclock to see whether they think its a "possible" to 
merge the clock from sync-lock with other MIDI info. i.e. it would still 
be nice to play the PPG via MIDI as well as just clocking the 
arpeggiator/sequencer.

I'm with you on the MIDI clock from DAW systems its absolutely 
rubbish...I was just actually listening to the tempo of my P3 when it 
was being clocked from Cubase and it was all over the place...I would 
guess the variance was 20bpm! I also understand everybody saying just 
stick to hardware but it does negate lots of synths and processors that 
I like working with on the MAC (guitar rig, FM8, Reaktor)....not to 
mention things like vocals, guitars etc. It does seem slightly insane 
that the music technology industry seems to have resolved the problem of 
getting hardware and software to work together by just saying NO. 
Unfortunately its not an option to use the P3 as the master clock as 
Cubase cant be synced to MIDI clock. Are you saying that Live can be 
synced to MIDI clock?

I had to throw out a perfectly good 8x8 MIDI interface from Steinberg as 
they dont do the drivers for MAC 10.5+, the only thing I could find that 
actually works with the new range of MACS is the MOTU range, it will be 
interesting to see if the MIDI express XT can actually merge MIDI clock 
and MIDI note date without totally messing up the timing. As the 
sync-lock essentially creates its own MIDI clock in hardware it should 
resolve the problem...we'll have to see.

Anyway let me get a few synths back in Chorlton and as soon as the 
sync-lock arrives I'll get in touch and we can have that beer
cheers
sean

Sound Engineer wrote:
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> Hi Sean.
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> Well i'm not far away from Chorlton and sometimes head out there for 
> drinks...
> I would be happy to bring round my 808 or circuit bent 606 to 
> participate in a Sync 24 test. They both have MIDI mods too so plenty 
> of scope for testing the all possibilities out.
> I'm intrigued myself by the Innerclock Systems Sync Lock unit and am 
> very intereted in the results/performance... and hearing PPG Wave and 
> OSCAR in the flesh would be a bonus
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> Recent tests of my own Midisport 8x8 MIDI patchbay unit have showed 
> maximum latency of 6-7ms with MIDItest64 which is poor, though at 
> least jitter is sub 1ms. The latest drivers don't work with it, nor 
> does the SP3 update which i've read helped reduce latency on many PC 
> systems. Maybe that's just on the audio side though.
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> I only used Cubase 4 last year briefly for one project but am 
> surprised you've had so much problem getting sync sorted but not 
> surprised to see so many people on the forum trying to offer advice 
> and possible solutions. Hope Sync Lock is it.
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> Has to be said though i do use my P3 as master clock for the rest of 
> my set-up, as Live for all it's flexibility has had it's fair share of 
> problems with external MIDI sync too, as anyone who checks their 
> forums would know. Don't know if these are all solved in Live 8.
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> As a few folk before have mentioned on here, i would allways trust a 
> hardware unit's ability for tighter Sync as the Master over a software 
> based unit. Sometimes PC's are so busy doing so much 
> clever/complicated stuff, they loose sight of basics like tight sync 
> as a priority...
>
> Anyway, i'll message you my mobile if you want to get in touch re. 
> tests when you are doing them, ok.
>
> Maybe all the Manchester (UK) based P3 users can hook up for a 
> "Sequencer Geeks Anonymous" meeting at an undisclosed Chorlton bar... 
> (and get pi$$ed)
>
> Cheers,
> Kev.
>
> --- On Sun, 25/10/09, sean zoega <sean@zoega.co.uk 
> <mailto:sean%40zoega.co.uk>> wrote:
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> From: sean zoega <sean@zoega.co.uk <mailto:sean%40zoega.co.uk>>
> Subject: Re: [analogue-sequencer] Re: syncing with cubase
> To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:analogue-sequencer%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, 25 October, 2009, 10:42
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> Just to let everyone know I have just ordered a sync-lock so I'll let
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> you know if it works. I realise that my earlier question asking if
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> anybody has tried it out was nonsense as the sync-lock is only just
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> available. Its pretty expensive £300 by the time you have paid the
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> postage and I dont know what the customs/VAT hit will be....but if it
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> does work (and it better for £300!) then it will be great and will allow
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> my whole studio to work in sync. The one thing that I have to try is to
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> see wether I can merge the MIDI clock from sync-lock with MIDI note
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> on/off messages from other controllers through the MOTO MIDI express
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> without messing up the sync. As I have a varied collection of stuff
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> (midi'd Jupiter 4, midi'd PPG wave 2.2, Oscar, CR78, Sequentix
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> (obviously) and Korg 700s, Roland system 100/100m under Kenton control)
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> it should be a reasonably thorough test. I'll let you know, if anybody
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> in Chorlton has a sync 24 devive that we could try out it would complete
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> the test. I must admit cant wait to get my old analogues working with
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> Reaktor....best of both worlds.
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> cheers
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> sean
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> sean zoega wrote:
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> > Colin, just read a fantastic article on the need for solid timing on the
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> > innerclock systems website by Steve Lipson
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> > thought you might also be interested
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> > http://web.webhost4 life.com/ innerclock/ index.asp? action=page& 
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> > <http://web.webhost4 life.com/ innerclock/ index.asp? action=page& 
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> > cheers
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> > sean
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> > Colin f wrote:
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> > > > Thanks Colin...I will investigate. I have lodged a question
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> > > > with Steinberg as I cant see any mentions of problems on any
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> > > > notice boards.
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> > > > Also I'll do the simple stuff like buying a higher quality
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> > > > shorter MIDI lead.
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> > > The sure way to see what's going in, if you can beg, borrow or steal
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> > > another
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> > > laptop, would be to pass the MIDI from Cubase to the P3 through
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> > something
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> > > like MIDI-Ox, so you can see exactly when MIDI clock bytes are being
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> > sent.
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> > > That should clear up very quickly whether there are any missing bytes,
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> > > clock
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> > > bytes bunched tightly together, or a.n.other problem.
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> > > > Can I ask a more general question..you
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> > > > mention new modes of working with MIDI clock with Cirklon but
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> > > > from my investigations MTC would seem to be the preferred
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> > > > method of syncing equipment... is there a reason why you are
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> > > > not going this route?
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> > > The new timing mechanism in Cirklon is going to allow support for MTC,
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> > > but I
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> > > still prefer MIDI clock.
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> > > MTC is a linear timecode. It doesn't carry any information about
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> > tempo but
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> > > rather provides an absolute timing reference, which a slaved device
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> > > can then
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> > > use to generate a pre-defined tempo clock.
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> > > This is primarily aimed at syncing devices where the tempo of a
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> > project is
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> > > fixed in advance, either at a single value, or at a series of values
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> > > defined
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> > > in a tempo map - essential if you're composing to a film or video
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> > source.
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> > > And it doesn't make much difference if you are locking MIDI tracks to
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> > > recorded audio tracks where the tempo is essentially fixed anyway.
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> > > I prefer to use MIDI clock, as I always set the tempo by feel, and
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> > > wouldn't
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> > > like to have a track tied to a certain tempo from the outset.
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> > > Best regards,
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> > > Colin Fraser
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> > > Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
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> > <http://www.sequenti x.com <http://www.sequenti x.com>>
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