Analogue-sequencer

Well I've had my P3 a couple of days now and it is, of course, a
fantastic instrument. I realise I'm preaching to the converted here,
but it's a good point so worth making again I feel. Anyway, I'm
beginning to get a grip on things but I've get a couple of what I
suspect are stupid newbie questions;

1) When I'm playing a keyboard using MIDI thru on the P3 it seems to
apply the current FTS settings - is there anyway of overriding that
for the 'thru' notes other than applying the FTS changes to the part
and then turning it off? 

2) I may be misunderstanding quite how the architecture of
patterns,playlists, parts track etc. works but I can't seem to get
'part copy' to work properly - I can do a 'copy all' from Part 1 to
Part 2 - however when I make changes to a pattern in Part 2 these
changes are also made in Part 1.

> Not at all. In fact I'm thinking of writing a user guide at some
> point, complete with examples, for all newcomers.

That would be exceedingly useful ;)


> >1) When I'm playing a keyboard using MIDI thru on the P3 it seems to
> >apply the current FTS settings - is there anyway of overriding that
> >for the 'thru' notes other than applying the FTS changes to the part
> >and then turning it off? 
> 
> Not have FTS on all the time? I don't understand... 8-)
> Is this when recording or just using the general thru? I must confess
> I don't use the play thru...I would have thought it would not put the
> play thru thru thru unless you asked it. 


Well I agree that I can't see any real reason to turn FTS off on the
P3 sequences.. my problem is this: I have my keyboard connected to the
P3. FTS is switched on, the sequencer is in run mode and everything is
burbling away happily. I set the MIDI thru to a channel that the P3
isn't using (for instance, the P3 is playing on channels 1-8 so I set
the thru to 16) so I can noodle away over the top. Then when I play
the keyboard, FTS is being applied to everything coming out on channel
16. Now while my keyboard playing needs all the help it can get it
would be nice to be able to override the FTS say for anything on the
'thru' channel.


> >2) I may be misunderstanding quite how the architecture of
> >patterns,playlists, parts track etc. works but I can't seem to get
> >'part copy' to work properly - I can do a 'copy all' from Part 1 to
> >Part 2 - however when I make changes to a pattern in Part 2 these
> >changes are also made in Part 1. 
> 
> To copy a part, hold the part copy Fn key (F2, I think), and the part
> which is the destination for the copy. All just happens magically,
> smoothly...

Yep, that bit seems to work fine. What then seems to happen is that if
I edit a pattern in Part 2 and then switch back to Part 1 it appears
to have changed the pattern in that part as well. Which seems odd.

Many thanks for your help...

hi Peter,

> Well I agree that I can't see any real reason to turn FTS off on the
> P3 sequences.. my problem is this: I have my keyboard connected to 
> the P3. FTS is switched on, the sequencer is in run mode and 
> everything is burbling away happily. I set the MIDI thru to a 
> channel that the P3 isn't using (for instance, the P3 is playing on 
> channels 1-8 so I set the thru to 16) so I can noodle away over the 
> top. Then when I play the keyboard, FTS is being applied to 
> everything coming out on channel 16. Now while my keyboard playing 
> needs all the help it can get it would be nice to be able to 
> override the FTS say for anything on the 'thru' channel.

i've recently had a similar problem; i have one P3 running thru the 
other, and wanted the 'slave' P3 to use an FTS setting while 
everything sent thru by the master remained unaffected. i'll quote 
Colin's response:
"That's controlled be the record mode FTS option - even in play mode.
You can turn it off in record mode, and the notes passed thru in play 
mode
will not be FTS'd."
so: in Pattern-edit mode, hit REC, then hit Page and set FTS to off. 
hit REC again to exit the record mode. about the part & patterns; i 
think you may be a bit confused. with a 6*8 memeory layout there is a 
total of 8 patterns per track in each bank. a playlist is nothing 
more than than an ordered list consisting of (combinations of) these 
8 patterns. a part is nothing more than a collection of 1 playlist 
per track. so if you edit a pattern in a playlist-step in part 3 for 
instance, this pattern will also be changed for all other playlists.
hope this helps.

grtz Chiel

On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 12:42:22 -0000, "Peter Lunnon"
<yahoo@chime.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>Well I've had my P3 a couple of days now and it is, of course, a
>fantastic instrument. I realise I'm preaching to the converted here,
>but it's a good point so worth making again I feel. Anyway, I'm
>beginning to get a grip on things but I've get a couple of what I
>suspect are stupid newbie questions;

Not at all. In fact I'm thinking of writing a user guide at some
point, complete with examples, for all newcomers.

>1) When I'm playing a keyboard using MIDI thru on the P3 it seems to
>apply the current FTS settings - is there anyway of overriding that
>for the 'thru' notes other than applying the FTS changes to the part
>and then turning it off? 

Not have FTS on all the time? I don't understand... 8-)
Is this when recording or just using the general thru? I must confess
I don't use the play thru...I would have thought it would not put the
play thru thru thru unless you asked it. 

>2) I may be misunderstanding quite how the architecture of
>patterns,playlists, parts track etc. works but I can't seem to get
>'part copy' to work properly - I can do a 'copy all' from Part 1 to
>Part 2 - however when I make changes to a pattern in Part 2 these
>changes are also made in Part 1. 

To copy a part, hold the part copy Fn key (F2, I think), and the part
which is the destination for the copy. All just happens magically,
smoothly...

apologies if any of this is bollcoks

Pail
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Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music
Email: paul@softroom.co.uk www.softroom.co.uk
                           www.BogusFocus.com

> i've recently had a similar problem; i have one P3 running thru the 
> other, and wanted the 'slave' P3 to use an FTS setting while 
> everything sent thru by the master remained unaffected. i'll quote 
> Colin's response:
> "That's controlled be the record mode FTS option - even in play mode.
> You can turn it off in record mode, and the notes passed thru in play 
> mode
> will not be FTS'd."
> so: in Pattern-edit mode, hit REC, then hit Page and set FTS to off. 
> hit REC again to exit the record mode.

That's great, that solves one problem - thanks!


> about the part & patterns; i 
> think you may be a bit confused. 

Yep, I think you might be right ;)

> with a 6*8 memeory layout there is a 
> total of 8 patterns per track in each bank. a playlist is nothing 
> more than than an ordered list consisting of (combinations of) these 
> 8 patterns. a part is nothing more than a collection of 1 playlist 
> per track. so if you edit a pattern in a playlist-step in part 3 for 
> instance, this pattern will also be changed for all other playlists.
> hope this helps.

It's a great help, thanks. I'm sure it'll all make sense to me
eventually :)


> grtz Chiel