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New file uploaded to analogue-sequencer

2005-01-23 by analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the analogue-sequencer 
group.

  File        : /P3ToolsNotes.pdf 
  Uploaded by : em_dkj <david@davekj.f2s.com> 
  Description : Some notes on P3Tools 

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/analogue-sequencer/files/P3ToolsNotes.pdf 

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Regards,

em_dkj <david@davekj.f2s.com>

Re: New file uploaded to analogue-sequencer

2005-01-23 by em_dkj

This is a set of notes that I hope will explain what P3Tools is and 
how it might help.

I will put the P3Tools executables up within a few hours.


Dave

Re: New file uploaded to analogue-sequencer

2005-01-23 by ch.³l

hi Dave,

> I will put the P3Tools executables up within a few hours.

sweet! i'm running winME and it works absolutely fine here...of 
course i tried it without R'ing TFM first, but i quickly discovered 
that i did indeed need to RTFM to get the transfer going. 
of course i immediately have a question, about the P3 definitions & 
identification, as i'm one of those lucky/greedy buggers with 2 P3's..
i have a single pair of midi connectors coming from my PC, with the 
rest of my setup linked through a Roland a-880 midi-patchbay, in 
which P3-b is chained after P3-a. is some sort of user-bit or 
identification-bit added to the .SP3 files so the 2 P3's are 
recognized as different machines even though they're connected to the 
same physical port? or would i just need to make sure that only the 
P3 i'm wanting to address is in SysEx receive-mode while the other 
one isn't? i'm guessing the second option is the correct one, but i'm 
hoping for the first..;-) i have no way to test it at the moment 
though as one of my 2 is temporarily taking a short vacation.

and...erm...i believe i warned you about the feature & update 
requests before, didn't i? well here's the first one: me being a die-
hard keyboard shortcut user i'd love to see shortcut keys for the 
functions, mainly for the "Name" function. although it's already cool 
that it's possible to edit a name with a double click as well as via 
the drop-down menu. 

anyways, great job Dave! Colin, may i suggest you ship this lovely 
little app. with any P3's you'll be sending out in the future (if 
Dave's okay with it of course..)? i think it'd be handy for beginning 
users to get an idea of the basic internal structure of the P3.

grtz Chiel

RE: [analogue-sequencer] Re: New file uploaded to analogue-sequencer

2005-01-23 by Colin f

> of course i immediately have a question, about the P3 definitions & 
> identification, as i'm one of those lucky/greedy buggers with 2 P3's..
> i have a single pair of midi connectors coming from my PC, with the 
> rest of my setup linked through a Roland a-880 midi-patchbay, in 
> which P3-b is chained after P3-a. is some sort of user-bit or 
> identification-bit added to the .SP3 files so the 2 P3's are 
> recognized as different machines even though they're connected to the 
> same physical port?

Since there's no 'device id' within P3 itself, Dave wouldn't have been able
to implement this.
I guess it's something I could add, though it could be a little tricky to do
it in a way that didn't involve changing the existing P3 sysex format.

> or would i just need to make sure that only the 
> P3 i'm wanting to address is in SysEx receive-mode while the other 
> one isn't? i'm guessing the second option is the correct one, but i'm 
> hoping for the first..;-)

Second option is the only way ATM.

> anyways, great job Dave!

Indeed. I've been beta testing it for Dave for a while. Being able to use
handshaking for the firmware update must have saved me an hour or two
already...

> Colin, may i suggest you ship this lovely 
> little app. with any P3's you'll be sending out in the future (if 
> Dave's okay with it of course..)? i think it'd be handy for beginning 
> users to get an idea of the basic internal structure of the P3.

If we get that tutorial DVD done sometime, I'm sure a DVD-ROM software
section would include the latest version.

Cheers,
Colin f

RE: [analogue-sequencer] Re: New file uploaded to analogue-sequencer

2005-01-23 by Colin f

> > i have a single pair of midi connectors coming from my PC, with the 
> > rest of my setup linked through a Roland a-880 midi-patchbay, in 
> > which P3-b is chained after P3-a. is some sort of user-bit or 
> > identification-bit added to the .SP3 files so the 2 P3's are 
> > recognized as different machines even though they're 
> connected to the 
> > same physical port?

Reading that again, I see you're just meaning in the dump files
themselves...
Dave ?

Just forget I suggested giving the P3s ids ;-)

Cheers,
Colin f

Re: New file uploaded to analogue-sequencer

2005-01-24 by em_dkj

> sweet! i'm running winME and it works absolutely fine here.

It works under ME ! ... that great.
Thank goodness someone ignored my assumption and gave it a go.
I'll change the user notes at some point to say as such. Grrrr ... 
out of date already ;-)

> i have a single pair of midi connectors coming from my PC, with the 
> rest of my setup linked through a Roland a-880 midi-patchbay, in 
> which P3-b is chained after P3-a. is some sort of user-bit or 
> identification-bit added to the .SP3 files so the 2 P3's are 
> recognized as different machines even though they're connected to 
the 
> same physical port? or would i just need to make sure that only the 
> P3 i'm wanting to address is in SysEx receive-mode while the other 
> one isn't? i'm guessing the second option is the correct one, but 
i'm 
> hoping for the first..;-) i have no way to test it at the moment 
> though as one of my 2 is temporarily taking a short vacation.

At the moment, the SP3 file does not contain any information that 
identifies that the data is associated with a particular P3. The P3 
Name is not stored in the file, nor are the midi port numbers.

You can save data from your P3-a today, and next week you could send 
it to P3-a or P3-b. I have left it entirely up to the user to manage 
that. Just like a .SYX file, you could email me one of your .SP3 
files and I could load it into P3Tools here and send it to my P3.

I have to admit, I had imagined that people with multiple P3's would 
have them arranged so that they were connected to the PC on seperate 
midi ports. I don't know why I did; I just did. I guess you have it 
set up like that so P3-a clocks P3-b. As such, you are right that 
only the P3 you want to address must be in SYS EX Receive Mode at 
that time.

Therefore you have probably realised that for your set-up, you 
actually only have to "define" one P3 in P3Tools with the one set of 
PC midi ports.

BUT keep your two definitions for now. This has given me some ideas 
which I will think about over the next week or so. I may end up 
putting the P3 Name in the file after all so that I can .... Actually 
I'll keep it to myself for the moment until I have thought it 
through  ;-)


> 
> and...erm...i believe i warned you about the feature & update 
> requests before, didn't i? well here's the first one: me being a 
die-
> hard keyboard shortcut user i'd love to see shortcut keys for the 
> functions, mainly for the "Name" function. although it's already 
cool 
> that it's possible to edit a name with a double click as well as 
via 
> the drop-down menu. 

I'm a keyboard man myself, so keyboard launched copy/paste/naming is 
bound to happen soon !!!



Cheers

Dave

Re: [analogue-sequencer] Re: New file uploaded to analogue-sequencer

2005-01-26 by Andy Wilson

On 24 Jan 2005 at 3:17, em_dkj wrote:

> 
> 
> > sweet! i'm running winME and it works absolutely fine here.
> 
> It works under ME ! ... that great.
> Thank goodness someone ignored my assumption and gave it a go.
> I'll change the user notes at some point to say as such. Grrrr ... 
> out of date already ;-)

And for the record; it also works under Win98SE :->)

Cheers

Andy
---

Andy Wilson
http://www.techman.synth.net
andy@techman.synth.net

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