Analogue-sequencer

Hi all..

I am searching to try experience in "analog" sequencing, and i would
try this with a P3;
So if someone sell it for TRUE price,please reply post because i am
interested.



thanks and all the best

Miroslav Toffolon

True price is determined by market value.
The more people popping up looking for something as rare as P3 is, the more
its market value will increase.
P3 production has been over for some time now, so seeing 1 go for as low as
750 Euro is honestly kind of a fluke.
Best of luck in your search!
-josh

On Jan 21, 2008 7:13 AM, miroslav.toffolon <miroslav.toffolon@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>   Hi all..
>
> I am searching to try experience in "analog" sequencing, and i would
> try this with a P3;
> So if someone sell it for TRUE price,please reply post because i am
> interested.
>
> thanks and all the best
>
> Miroslav Toffolon
>
>  
>


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thank you for u'r interest.
I don't like it,but i know the business rules..

anyway 750 euros is reasonable price and good for me.


thanks

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "miroslav.toffolon" 
<miroslav.toffolon@...> wrote:
>
> thank you for u'r interest.
> I don't like it,but i know the business rules..
> 
> anyway 750 euros is reasonable price and good for me.

Let me tell you a story. We all have or have heard of a friend (or a 
friend of a friend) who once found a crappy knobby little silver box in 
a flea market, with "Bassline Roland TB-303" written all over it. 
He/she did't know what it was but found it was a pretty looking little 
box ;) so he/she haggled it down from the initial asking price, which 
was £50.
The seller would argue that the list price for that was something like 
£215 and that given its age, he would not let it go for less than £25 
for it. 

But hey, wake up, it was 1990, i.e. pre-internet era, and, more 
importantly, well before the "I'm a thirty/fourty-something nostalgist 
and I'm packed with a lot of disposable income, so why not starting an 
expensive analogue gear collection" era. I know because I am one, and 
since I became one, my music became less and less interesting :) and my 
trading margins higher, but that's another subject 

Back to the subject, I believe you won't find a P3 for 750 euros unless 
the seller has not ever used eBay in the past 2 years or does not even 
know what he is selling. Which, in that case, will surely mean it's 
been stolen or something.

I wouldn't normally butt in like this, but I'm finding this thread
quite irritating, & I suspect that colin himself must be in the
process of transition between bemusement & irritation too.
can we get back onto the subject of actually /using/ the thing?

colin will have weighed up the whole supply/demand debate himself,
while deciding whether to carry on supplying this original & powerful
tool, or to move on & design the next model. we are bloody lucky he
continues to support the p3- many larger manufacturers would have said
"we've had y'r money, thanks, now f*ck off".

let's try to be the moral, honest, sensible people we should be, & if
we decide to sell a p3, let's not try to exploit their scarcity as if
we were hoarding pre-CBS fenders or something. that's just cheesy.
this sort of profiteering doesn't belong amongst musicians.

duncan.

Thank you Duncan, a voice of reason...if you want to make money become
a lawyer. We are musicians i.e. creators not destroyers. It's hard
enough to survive without ripping off ourselves. The P3 is a fantastic
tool and I paid too much for mine...I say too much because none of the
benefit went to the original creator..it cost me £800 on ebay. I hope
Colin will see whats happening in the second hand market and realise
that his work is appreciated (though not financially...yet) For those
of you still suffering from greed can I reccomend Affluenza by Oliver
James...now stop speculating and start playing.

Damn, is that a direct insult to the guy who just sold his for "the
price that made him happy, and eveyone else happy too"? or what?

>  Back to the subject, I believe you won't find a P3 for 750 euros unless
>  the seller has not ever used eBay in the past 2 years or does not even
>  know what he is selling. Which, in that case, will surely mean it's
>  been stolen or something.

Agreed.

The only thing I'd add is that is was 750 uk pounds, not 750 euro, that the
unit (I think we're talking about - dunno, I'm losing the will to live on
this topic) was sold = over 1000 euro.

Me, I just wanna remember how to do the Chris Franke trill. :-)

> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com [mailto:analogue-
> >sequencer@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of duncan
> >Sent: 22 January 2008 16:01
> >To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [analogue-sequencer] Re: selling
> >
> >I wouldn't normally butt in like this, but I'm finding this thread
> >quite irritating, & I suspect that colin himself must be in the
> >process of transition between bemusement & irritation too.
> >can we get back onto the subject of actually /using/ the thing?
> >
> >colin will have weighed up the whole supply/demand debate himself,
> >while deciding whether to carry on supplying this original & powerful
> >tool, or to move on & design the next model. we are bloody lucky he
> >continues to support the p3- many larger manufacturers would have said
> >"we've had y'r money, thanks, now f*ck off".
> >
> >let's try to be the moral, honest, sensible people we should be, & if
> >we decide to sell a p3, let's not try to exploit their scarcity as if
> >we were hoarding pre-CBS fenders or something. that's just cheesy.
> >this sort of profiteering doesn't belong amongst musicians.
> >
> >duncan.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >

Graham Getty wrote:

> Me, I just wanna remember how to do the Chris Franke trill. :-)

Hehe, you want the aux event type "repeat". Then you choose how many you 
want or use "repeat by length" so you can have different repeats on 
different steps according to the note length. If you set your repeat 
events on aux B then you can use aux A to randomly or conditionally mask 
them.

Regards,

-- 
Paul
---
"Effectus super absolutionem"
http://www.JointIntelligenceCommittee.com
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>>you want the aux event type "repeat". Then you choose how many you
want or use "repeat by length"<<

paul's right- that's the closest approximation of the infamous trill
that the p3 can do. but if you listen really carefully, franke's
triplets are ahead of the beat, not behind it.... :-)

duncan.

> but if you listen really carefully, franke's
> triplets are ahead of the beat, not behind it.... :-)

You could have it on the previous step, and delayed...
you would 'loose' any note hitting at the beginning of that previous
step, or to avoid this you could do it within an entirely seperate
track set to the same MIDI channel.

duncan wrote:
>>> you want the aux event type "repeat". Then you choose how many you
> want or use "repeat by length"<<
> 
> paul's right- that's the closest approximation of the infamous trill
> that the p3 can do. but if you listen really carefully, franke's
> triplets are ahead of the beat, not behind it.... :-)

Good point; in that case you can get interesting results from delaying a 
note then setting the repeat on that delayed note. This then leads into 
the next one in a similar way.
Also, experimenting with the set tbase aux event at key points in the 
sequence is worth a try. It means a little more planning cos you have to 
think in terms of the overall length and so on but could help.

-- 
Paul
---
"Effectus super absolutionem"
http://www.JointIntelligenceCommittee.com
http://www.myspace.com/jointintelligencecommittee