Analogue-sequencer

I've been in love with the system and a member since it's startup. As a kid I couldn't afford even the DIY system. Now as an adult I'm sad to see even now I can't touch this new model w the price being 1000 pounds Brit. Anyone else who would be more keen on buying as a kit or bare-bones please let's show some feedback.   Thanks!

I would suggest trying to get your hands on a P3 maybe?

On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:44 AM, loopkingstu <loopkingstu@yahoo.com> wrote:

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> I've been in love with the system and a member since it's startup. As a kid
> I couldn't afford even the DIY system. Now as an adult I'm sad to see even
> now I can't touch this new model w the price being 1000 pounds Brit. Anyone
> else who would be more keen on buying as a kit or bare-bones please let's
> show some feedback. Thanks!
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I didn't think the price had been finalised, the only comment I've seen is
that it is expected to be below £1000.

The pre-built P3 was viewed as "not cheap" when it was released, but I
suspect most people who bought it at original RRP then sold it made quite a
bit of profit. Something to bear in mind.

I think Colin has already commented that because of the increased complexity
(& smaller footprint?) a DIY kit is not practical.

Any (rough) Cirklon ETA Colin? 

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> >I've been in love with the system and a member since it's 
> >startup. As a kid I couldn't afford even the DIY system. Now 
> >as an adult I'm sad to see even now I can't touch this new 
> >model w the price being 1000 pounds Brit. Anyone else who 
> >would be more keen on buying as a kit or bare-bones please 
> >let's show some feedback.   Thanks!
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> I didn't think the price had been finalised, the only comment 
> I've seen is that it is expected to be below £1000.

The final price still depends largely on one cost I don't have - that of the
production enclosure, which is the single largest expense on the bill of
materials by a long way. I'm presently waiting on people coming back to me
with quotes.

The sticker price will be based directly on the cost price.
Building a piece of electronic equipment in low volume, to a high quality
level, with most of the work done in a country with a minimum wage is always
going to be expensive by comparison to mass-market consumer electronic
devices churned out of a factory in China where the workers have low pay and
no rights.
If I used cheaper tact switches, encoders and knobs, I could probably shave
a bit off the price too.
But the aim here is to produce something that feels solid and durable, not
cheap and disposable.

> I think Colin has already commented that because of the 
> increased complexity (& smaller footprint?) a DIY kit is not 
> practical.

True enough.
P3 was all thru-hole, and easily hand-solderable.
Cirklon uses various 0.5mm pitch ICs that take skill and practice to solder
reliably.

Issues of build-ability aside, there is a huge amount of development effort
in a device like Cirklon.
If I sell a low-price kit, there is very little return on that investment.
Kudos won't pay the mortgage.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

I can certainly understand, but given the price of hardware step  
sequencers, especially with cv/gate - the Cirklon seems to be very  
nicely priced.

Perhaps it's not fair to compare to the Octopus, since you're paying  
for the form factor, cosmetics, etc  -  but maybe the Schrittmacher is  
a good comparison. The Cirklon should be coming in well below that.  
The Signal Arts Tetra MAPS is another good comparison - it's a bit  
less than the Cirklon, and has its own unique style to recommend it -  
but the Cirklon is overall much more powerful, Colin has a history of  
updating the firmware much more frequently. And while the  
Schrittmacher also has some things to recommend, it also doesn't  
compare overall with the feature set of the Cirklon, and doesn't have  
cv/gate at all.

There is the Nemo - my personal experience with it was that the  
interface was nowhere near as friendly as the Octopus, and it also has  
no cv/gate.

Of course, that doesn't help you if you don't have the $ - but once  
these reach production, there will eventually be used ones at lower  
prices.

And it looks like the Cirklon will sell at a lower price than used  
p3's were going for just awhile back.



> I've been in love with the system and a member since it's startup.  
> As a kid I couldn't afford even the DIY system. Now as an adult I'm  
> sad to see even now I can't touch this new model w the price being  
> 1000 pounds Brit. Anyone else who would be more keen on buying as a  
> kit or bare-bones please let's show some feedback. Thanks!
>
>
> 



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I agree, I think "under £1000", whatever that ultimately ends up being, sounds like a very fair price, when you consider the competition (which is not the Electribes).

If that's out of reach, that's (a) hardly Colin's fault since I doubt he's buying yachts with his earnings, and (b) not the end of the world, since I imagine used P3's will be showing up at more affordable prices as soon as the Cirklon lands.

And I'm eagerly awaiting that landing.


Charles.

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, Ancient Eyeball Recipe <implode7@...> wrote:

>
> I can certainly understand, but given the price of hardware step  
> sequencers, especially with cv/gate - the Cirklon seems to be very  
> nicely priced.
> 
> Perhaps it's not fair to compare to the Octopus, since you're paying  
> for the form factor, cosmetics, etc  -  but maybe the Schrittmacher is  
> a good comparison. The Cirklon should be coming in well below that.  
> The Signal Arts Tetra MAPS is another good comparison - it's a bit  
> less than the Cirklon, and has its own unique style to recommend it -  
> but the Cirklon is overall much more powerful, Colin has a history of  
> updating the firmware much more frequently. And while the  
> Schrittmacher also has some things to recommend, it also doesn't  
> compare overall with the feature set of the Cirklon, and doesn't have  
> cv/gate at all.
> 
> There is the Nemo - my personal experience with it was that the  
> interface was nowhere near as friendly as the Octopus, and it also has  
> no cv/gate.
> 
> Of course, that doesn't help you if you don't have the $ - but once  
> these reach production, there will eventually be used ones at lower  
> prices.
> 
> And it looks like the Cirklon will sell at a lower price than used  
> p3's were going for just awhile back.
> 
> 
> 
> > I've been in love with the system and a member since it's startup.  
> > As a kid I couldn't afford even the DIY system. Now as an adult I'm  
> > sad to see even now I can't touch this new model w the price being  
> > 1000 pounds Brit. Anyone else who would be more keen on buying as a  
> > kit or bare-bones please let's show some feedback. Thanks!
> >
> >
> > 
> 
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