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2010-08-30 by analog1k
Hi Colin, As a previous owner of a P3, can you exactly say what the proper price is for the Cirklon. I know you said under a £1000 for it, but i would like to know how much it's really going cost before i commit my order and my cash, but it does look great though, a remarkable job well done :) Cheers
2010-08-30 by Colin Fraser
> As a previous owner of a P3, can you exactly say what the > proper price is for the Cirklon. I know you said under a > £1000 for it, but i would like to know how much it's really > going cost before i commit my order and my cash, but it does > look great though, a remarkable job well done :) There are still some unknown costs on the production side - mainly the question of how much standard/optional CV/gate to provide. So I need to stick the 'sub 1000 quid' figure for the time being. It gives me some room to manoeuvre. As soon as I know a precise figure, you will. Best regards, Colin Fraser Sequentix Music Systems Ltd http://www.sequentix.com
2010-08-30 by Colin Fraser
Folks, A quick poll... If you had 24 pins on a connector free for signals (one has to be ground), how would you divide them up ? It could be, for example: - 16 CVs, 8 gates - 12 CVs, 12 gates - 8 CV and 4 gate outs, 8 CV and 4 gate ins etc. I'm leaning towards not having any gate inputs as such, since a CV input can be quantised to 1 bit if needed. Same applies to CV outputs, in most cases. So I guess it's more of a question of how many CV outputs to sacrifice for CV input ? Best regards, Colin Fraser Sequentix Music Systems Ltd http://www.sequentix.com
2010-08-30 by Vco3
16 cv and 8 gate outs would be good. 8 of those cvs for note pitch and the other 8 for a velocity row and the 8 gates to trigger envelopes.. cya analog-jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Fraser <colin@sequentix.com>
To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:56 pm
Subject: [analogue-sequencer] How to use 25 pins ?
Folks,
A quick poll...
If you had 24 pins on a connector free for signals (one has to be ground),
how would you divide them up ?
It could be, for example:
- 16 CVs, 8 gates
- 12 CVs, 12 gates
- 8 CV and 4 gate outs, 8 CV and 4 gate ins
etc.
I'm leaning towards not having any gate inputs as such, since a CV input can
be quantised to 1 bit if needed.
Same applies to CV outputs, in most cases.
So I guess it's more of a question of how many CV outputs to sacrifice for
CV input ?
Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2010-08-30 by zahir_manek@yahoo.com
16 cvs and 8 gates. Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry device on the Bell network. Envoy� sans fil par mon terminal mobile BlackBerry sur le r�seau de Bell.
-----Original Message----- From: "Colin Fraser" <colin@sequentix.com> Sender: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:56:29 To: <analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com Subject: [analogue-sequencer] How to use 25 pins ? Folks, A quick poll... If you had 24 pins on a connector free for signals (one has to be ground), how would you divide them up ? It could be, for example: - 16 CVs, 8 gates - 12 CVs, 12 gates - 8 CV and 4 gate outs, 8 CV and 4 gate ins etc. I'm leaning towards not having any gate inputs as such, since a CV input can be quantised to 1 bit if needed. Same applies to CV outputs, in most cases. So I guess it's more of a question of how many CV outputs to sacrifice for CV input ? Best regards, Colin Fraser Sequentix Music Systems Ltd http://www.sequentix.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-08-30 by Miguel Mendoza
I second 16 + 8. It can be interesting to have any cv + gate input but I don't see myself using them very much.
From: Colin Fraser Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 12:56 AM To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com Subject: [analogue-sequencer] How to use 25 pins ? Folks, A quick poll... If you had 24 pins on a connector free for signals (one has to be ground), how would you divide them up ? It could be, for example: - 16 CVs, 8 gates - 12 CVs, 12 gates - 8 CV and 4 gate outs, 8 CV and 4 gate ins etc. I'm leaning towards not having any gate inputs as such, since a CV input can be quantised to 1 bit if needed. Same applies to CV outputs, in most cases. So I guess it's more of a question of how many CV outputs to sacrifice for CV input ? Best regards, Colin Fraser Sequentix Music Systems Ltd http://www.sequentix.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-08-30 by Keith Sterling
I had horrendous crosstalk from running 24 signals + 1 ground on a DB-25/ribbon cable once, but as long as there's no crosstalk, 16 cv + 8 gates would be great over here. --- On Mon, 8/30/10, Colin Fraser <colin@sequentix.com> wrote:
From: Colin Fraser <colin@sequentix.com>
Subject: [analogue-sequencer] How to use 25 pins ?
To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 10:56 PM
Folks,
A quick poll...
If you had 24 pins on a connector free for signals (one has to be ground),
how would you divide them up ?
It could be, for example:
- 16 CVs, 8 gates
- 12 CVs, 12 gates
- 8 CV and 4 gate outs, 8 CV and 4 gate ins
etc.
I'm leaning towards not having any gate inputs as such, since a CV input can
be quantised to 1 bit if needed.
Same applies to CV outputs, in most cases.
So I guess it's more of a question of how many CV outputs to sacrifice for
CV input ?
Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2010-08-31 by Rory
Hmm, my first reaction was to go agree with 16 CV and 8 gates, but actually having CV inputs sounds like a lot of fun. For those of us with modular or semi-modular synths the Cirklon could become part of the system, with two communication going on. I am imagining here that one could modulate internal Cirklon parameters with the CV inputs rather than just using them for recording pitches (although that might be fun too). Maybe that's not the case. Perhaps you could clarify just how CV inputs might work Colin? On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Colin Fraser <colin@sequentix.com> wrote: > > > Folks, > > A quick poll... > > If you had 24 pins on a connector free for signals (one has to be ground), > how would you divide them up ? > It could be, for example: > > - 16 CVs, 8 gates > - 12 CVs, 12 gates > - 8 CV and 4 gate outs, 8 CV and 4 gate ins > etc. > > I'm leaning towards not having any gate inputs as such, since a CV input > can > be quantised to 1 bit if needed. > Same applies to CV outputs, in most cases. > So I guess it's more of a question of how many CV outputs to sacrifice for > CV input ? > > Best regards, > Colin Fraser > Sequentix Music Systems Ltd > http://www.sequentix.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-08-31 by cramseur2000
8 cv = pitch + 8 cv = velocity 8 gates That's what I'd like. --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Colin Fraser" <colin@...> wrote:
> > Folks, > > A quick poll... > > If you had 24 pins on a connector free for signals (one has to be ground), > how would you divide them up ? > It could be, for example: > > - 16 CVs, 8 gates > - 12 CVs, 12 gates > - 8 CV and 4 gate outs, 8 CV and 4 gate ins > etc. > > I'm leaning towards not having any gate inputs as such, since a CV input can > be quantised to 1 bit if needed. > Same applies to CV outputs, in most cases. > So I guess it's more of a question of how many CV outputs to sacrifice for > CV input ? > > Best regards, > Colin Fraser > Sequentix Music Systems Ltd > http://www.sequentix.com >
2010-08-31 by James R. Coplin
My Peavey PC-1600x had a CV to MIDI input and honestly, I've used it maybe twice. It is so much easier and useful to sync things going the other way that I also vote 16 CV out and 8 gates out. James R. Coplin
> -----Original Message----- > From: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com [mailto:analogue- > sequencer@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rory > Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 7:24 PM > To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [analogue-sequencer] How to use 25 pins ? > > Hmm, my first reaction was to go agree with 16 CV and 8 gates, but > actually > having CV inputs sounds like a lot of fun. For those of us with modular > or > semi-modular synths the Cirklon could become part of the system, with > two > communication going on. I am imagining here that one could modulate > internal > Cirklon parameters with the CV inputs rather than just using them for > recording pitches (although that might be fun too). Maybe that's not > the > case. Perhaps you could clarify just how CV inputs might work Colin? > > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Colin Fraser <colin@sequentix.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > A quick poll... > > > > If you had 24 pins on a connector free for signals (one has to be > ground), > > how would you divide them up ? > > It could be, for example: > > > > - 16 CVs, 8 gates > > - 12 CVs, 12 gates > > - 8 CV and 4 gate outs, 8 CV and 4 gate ins > > etc. > > > > I'm leaning towards not having any gate inputs as such, since a CV > input > > can > > be quantised to 1 bit if needed. > > Same applies to CV outputs, in most cases. > > So I guess it's more of a question of how many CV outputs to > sacrifice for > > CV input ? > > > > Best regards, > > Colin Fraser > > Sequentix Music Systems Ltd > > http://www.sequentix.com > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
2010-08-31 by Richard Scott
I very much agree with Rory. The whole point of having CV is to work with analogue. A sequencer in a analaogue modular system is potentially not just a controller or computer substitute but an intergrated part of the system. I need to be able to modulate the digital cirklon from analogue as well as to modulate analogue from digital - 4 inputs is the absolute minimum, 8 is better. It looks like not everyone will use the inputs, I think they are only interesting to those of us with modulars, but then I don't think most multitimbral mnidi systh users will ever use the analogue outputs either. But missing the inputs out would compromise an otherwise rather perfect concept - and I am sure it would lose cirklon sales to modular users too. Richard
On 8/31/10 1:23 AM, Rory wrote: > Hmm, my first reaction was to go agree with 16 CV and 8 gates, but actually > having CV inputs sounds like a lot of fun. For those of us with modular or > semi-modular synths the Cirklon could become part of the system, with two > communication going on. I am imagining here that one could modulate internal > Cirklon parameters with the CV inputs rather than just using them for > recording pitches (although that might be fun too). Maybe that's not the > case. Perhaps you could clarify just how CV inputs might work Colin? > > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Colin Fraser<colin@sequentix.com> wrote: > >> >> >> Folks, >> >> A quick poll... >> >> If you had 24 pins on a connector free for signals (one has to be ground), >> how would you divide them up ? >> It could be, for example: >> >> - 16 CVs, 8 gates >> - 12 CVs, 12 gates >> - 8 CV and 4 gate outs, 8 CV and 4 gate ins >> etc. >> >> I'm leaning towards not having any gate inputs as such, since a CV input >> can >> be quantised to 1 bit if needed. >> Same applies to CV outputs, in most cases. >> So I guess it's more of a question of how many CV outputs to sacrifice for >> CV input ? >> >> Best regards, >> Colin Fraser >> Sequentix Music Systems Ltd >> http://www.sequentix.com >> >> >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
2010-08-31 by Martin Naef
On 31.08.2010 00:56, Colin Fraser wrote: > If you had 24 pins on a connector free for signals (one has to be ground), > how would you divide them up ? I will use neither CV input nor outputs in any great number. However, I think a pedal input would be useful. In my sequences, I like to use aux tools with the knobs to control the density of patterns. Using a pedal for the same purpose instead would be useful as I wouldn't need to take the hands off my other synths. However, I wouldn't be willing to spend a big premium for that feature. Martin
2010-08-31 by Ancient Eyeball Recipe
another vote for some analog inputs. > I very much agree with Rory. The whole point of having CV is to work > with analogue. A sequencer in a analaogue modular system is potentially > not just a controller or computer substitute but an intergrated part of > the system. I need to be able to modulate the digital cirklon from > analogue as well as to modulate analogue from digital - 4 inputs is the > absolute minimum, 8 is better. > > It looks like not everyone will use the inputs, I think they are only > interesting to those of us with modulars, but then I don't think most > multitimbral mnidi systh users will ever use the analogue outputs > either. But missing the inputs out would compromise an otherwise rather > perfect concept - and I am sure it would lose cirklon sales to modular > users too. > > Richard > > On 8/31/10 1:23 AM, Rory wrote: > > Hmm, my first reaction was to go agree with 16 CV and 8 gates, but actually > > having CV inputs sounds like a lot of fun. For those of us with modular or > > semi-modular synths the Cirklon could become part of the system, with two > > communication going on. I am imagining here that one could modulate internal > > Cirklon parameters with the CV inputs rather than just using them for > > recording pitches (although that might be fun too). Maybe that's not the > > case. Perhaps you could clarify just how CV inputs might work Colin? > > > > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Colin Fraser<colin@sequentix.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Folks, > >> > >> A quick poll... > >> > >> If you had 24 pins on a connector free for signals (one has to be ground), > >> how would you divide them up ? > >> It could be, for example: > >> > >> - 16 CVs, 8 gates > >> - 12 CVs, 12 gates > >> - 8 CV and 4 gate outs, 8 CV and 4 gate ins > >> etc. > >> > >> I'm leaning towards not having any gate inputs as such, since a CV input > >> can > >> be quantised to 1 bit if needed. > >> Same applies to CV outputs, in most cases. > >> So I guess it's more of a question of how many CV outputs to sacrifice for > >> CV input ? > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Colin Fraser > >> Sequentix Music Systems Ltd > >> http://www.sequentix.com > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-08-31 by Bob S.
I'm with Martin. I have 44 synths including a couple of newer analogs and none have CV/Gate inputs or outputs except one mono one (FutureRetro Revolution) so I really have no use for them.....everything is via MIDI. So, since you are asking, I would like to see a little external control on these or other lines. Yes, I can program a MIDI pedal such as the FCB1010 to do start/stop and some variation over MIDI, but a quick way to get some control without my hands, like plugging in a footswitch or pedal, would be nice.... (well, you asked for opinions....) Bob El Segundo, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: Martin Naef
To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 00:11
Subject: Re: [analogue-sequencer] How to use 25 pins ?
On 31.08.2010 00:56, Colin Fraser wrote:
> If you had 24 pins on a connector free for signals (one has to be ground),
> how would you divide them up ?
I will use neither CV input nor outputs in any great number. However, I
think a pedal input would be useful. In my sequences, I like to use aux
tools with the knobs to control the density of patterns. Using a pedal
for the same purpose instead would be useful as I wouldn't need to take
the hands off my other synths. However, I wouldn't be willing to spend a
big premium for that feature.
Martin
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2010-08-31 by Paolo
I, as modular synths user, think that yes, it would be nice to have also some CV inputs.. But I'd choose to have as many possible outs. In the 24 signals case, for me its ok to have 12 CVs and 12 gates, because I'm planning to use the Cirklon to drive both synths and analog-triggered drum machines with pitch and/or velocity set on the machines and not remotely. That said, I for sure would pay some additional cash [or "I would work on demultiplexing.."], for to have more CVs/gates outputs than 24. -Paolo
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, Colin Fraser wrote: > Folks, > > A quick poll... > > If you had 24 pins on a connector free for signals (one has to be ground), > how would you divide them up ? > It could be, for example: > > - 16 CVs, 8 gates > - 12 CVs, 12 gates > - 8 CV and 4 gate outs, 8 CV and 4 gate ins > etc. > > I'm leaning towards not having any gate inputs as such, since a CV input can > be quantised to 1 bit if needed. > Same applies to CV outputs, in most cases. > So I guess it's more of a question of how many CV outputs to sacrifice for > CV input ? > > Best regards, > Colin Fraser > Sequentix Music Systems Ltd > http://www.sequentix.com > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
2010-08-31 by Tom Adam
I would love some inputs too. And a couple of clock CV's to drive my analog sequencers. Cheers, -- ToAd <http://www.thebigear.be> On Aug 31, 2010 07:36 "Richard Scott" <richard_scott@rwnc.co.uk> wrote: > > > I very much agree with Rory. The whole point of having CV is to work > with analogue. A sequencer in a analaogue modular system is > potentially > not just a controller or computer substitute but an intergrated part > of > the system. I need to be able to modulate the digital cirklon from > analogue as well as to modulate analogue from digital - 4 inputs is > the > absolute minimum, 8 is better. > > It looks like not everyone will use the inputs, I think they are only > interesting to those of us with modulars, but then I don't think most > multitimbral mnidi systh users will ever use the analogue outputs > either. But missing the inputs out would compromise an otherwise > rather > perfect concept - and I am sure it would lose cirklon sales to modular > users too. > > Richard > > On 8/31/10 1:23 AM, Rory wrote: > > Hmm, my first reaction was to go agree with 16 CV and 8 gates, but > > actually > > having CV inputs sounds like a lot of fun. For those of us with > > modular or > > semi-modular synths the Cirklon could become part of the system, > > with two > > communication going on. I am imagining here that one could modulate > > internal > > Cirklon parameters with the CV inputs rather than just using them > > for > > recording pitches (although that might be fun too). Maybe that's not > > the > > case. Perhaps you could clarify just how CV inputs might work Colin? > > > > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Colin Fraser<colin@sequentix.com > > <mailto:colin%40sequentix.com>> wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Folks, > >> > >> A quick poll... > >> > >> If you had 24 pins on a connector free for signals (one has to be > >> ground), > >> how would you divide them up ? > >> It could be, for example: > >> > >> - 16 CVs, 8 gates > >> - 12 CVs, 12 gates > >> - 8 CV and 4 gate outs, 8 CV and 4 gate ins > >> etc. > >> > >> I'm leaning towards not having any gate inputs as such, since a CV > >> input > >> can > >> be quantised to 1 bit if needed. > >> Same applies to CV outputs, in most cases. > >> So I guess it's more of a question of how many CV outputs to > >> sacrifice for > >> CV input ? > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Colin Fraser > >> Sequentix Music Systems Ltd > >> <http://www.sequentix.com> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-08-31 by Colin Fraser
> And a couple of clock CV's to drive my analog sequencers. There are three lines on the DIN SYNC socket that could be configurable as different clock divide ratios, rather than being hard-coded to DIN RUN/CONTINUE/CLOCK. Best regards, Colin Fraser Sequentix Music Systems Ltd http://www.sequentix.com
2010-08-31 by companyofquail@gmail.com
Maybe do one line at full, the second at half and the third at one quarter? Sent on the Sprint� Now Network from my BlackBerry�
-----Original Message----- From: "Colin Fraser" <colin@sequentix.com> Sender: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:39:01 To: <analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Re: [analogue-sequencer] How to use 25 pins ? > And a couple of clock CV's to drive my analog sequencers. There are three lines on the DIN SYNC socket that could be configurable as different clock divide ratios, rather than being hard-coded to DIN RUN/CONTINUE/CLOCK. Best regards, Colin Fraser Sequentix Music Systems Ltd http://www.sequentix.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-08-31 by James R. Coplin
Or how about just use a pattern and the gate outs to drive sequencer instead of coding a solution... James R. Coplin
> -----Original Message----- > From: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com [mailto:analogue- > sequencer@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of companyofquail@gmail.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:49 PM > To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: Re: [analogue-sequencer] How to use 25 pins ? > > Maybe do one line at full, the second at half and the third at one > quarter? > > Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Colin Fraser" <colin@sequentix.com> > > Sender: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:39:01 > > To: <analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com> > > Reply-To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: Re: [analogue-sequencer] How to use 25 pins ? > > > > > > > And a couple of clock CV's to drive my analog sequencers. > > > > There are three lines on the DIN SYNC socket that could be configurable > as > > different clock divide ratios, rather than being hard-coded to DIN > > RUN/CONTINUE/CLOCK. > > > > Best regards, > > Colin Fraser > > Sequentix Music Systems Ltd > > http://www.sequentix.com > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
2010-08-31 by Tom Adam
OK, that will do the trick for me as I don't use the din sync right now. But what about people that use the din sync? And actually, I could use a start/stop output also ;-) Currently I have an arduino set up to convert a midi clk to pulse. It also generates a start/stop signal. I could keep on using this gizmo, but I'd prefer a single device taking care of this... Cheers, -- ToAd <http://www.thebigear.be> On Aug 31, 2010 21:39 "Colin Fraser" <colin@sequentix.com> wrote: > > > > > And a couple of clock CV's to drive my analog sequencers. > > There are three lines on the DIN SYNC socket that could be > configurable as > different clock divide ratios, rather than being hard-coded to DIN > RUN/CONTINUE/CLOCK. > > Best regards, > Colin Fraser > Sequentix Music Systems Ltd > <http://www.sequentix.com> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-08-31 by companyofquail@gmail.com
I was under the assumption din sync would still be present and the time divisions would be extra. If I am wrong then we should just keep the din sync Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: "Tom Adam" <tom.adam@thebigear.be> Sender: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 22:39:22 To: <analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [analogue-sequencer] How to use 25 pins ? OK, that will do the trick for me as I don't use the din sync right now. But what about people that use the din sync? And actually, I could use a start/stop output also ;-) Currently I have an arduino set up to convert a midi clk to pulse. It also generates a start/stop signal. I could keep on using this gizmo, but I'd prefer a single device taking care of this... Cheers, -- ToAd <http://www.thebigear.be> On Aug 31, 2010 21:39 "Colin Fraser" <colin@sequentix.com> wrote: > > > > > And a couple of clock CV's to drive my analog sequencers. > > There are three lines on the DIN SYNC socket that could be > configurable as > different clock divide ratios, rather than being hard-coded to DIN > RUN/CONTINUE/CLOCK. > > Best regards, > Colin Fraser > Sequentix Music Systems Ltd > <http://www.sequentix.com> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-08-31 by julianfincham
I feel that CV inputs would give the machine a very significant edge in some studios.... Julian