Analogue-sequencer

Hey all,
I'm Steve and i have a Cirklon on order... go me (i've sent an email requesting an upgrade to CVIO, i hope i can get it).

Anyway, i was wondering for live use/improv, could i potentially run my bitstream 3x through the Cirklon to change levels etc on other gear?
i.e. controlling the levels of individual elektron machinedrum machines, fx sends etc.

Is this possible, or even an effecient way of working with the Cirklon?

Thanks in advance

Cheers
Steve G

On 12/09/2011 02:23, digitalbunny81 wrote:
> Hey all,
> I'm Steve and i have a Cirklon on order... go me (i've sent an email requesting an upgrade to CVIO, i hope i can get it).
>
> Anyway, i was wondering for live use/improv, could i potentially run my bitstream 3x through the Cirklon to change levels etc on other gear?
> i.e. controlling the levels of individual elektron machinedrum machines, fx sends etc.

I don't see why not. I've created track values so that I can control my 
Octatrack direct from Cirklon. At the moment I'm only sending the CCs 
for: Pitch, Rate, Sample Start and FX 2 amount, plus Mute and Solo (you 
have to enter a menu in Octatrack before you can solo a track so remote 
control makes it faster). Naturally Cirklon's mixer controls the track 
levels but its pan doesn't change the Octatrack's balance (Elektron used 
CC8 rather than CC10 for this).

> Is this possible, or even an effecient way of working with the Cirklon?

Certainly possible, I don't know what it adds that Cirklon can't already 
do - but then I don't know much about the bitstream.

-- 
Paul
---
http://www.softroom.co.uk
http://paulnagle.bandcamp.com/  ** live album available **

> > I'm Steve and i have a Cirklon on order... go me (i've sent 
> an email requesting an upgrade to CVIO, i hope i can get it).

Adding a CVIO is no problem. Barbara will confirm when she gets back to
work.

> > Anyway, i was wondering for live use/improv, could i 
> potentially run my bitstream 3x through the Cirklon to change 
> levels etc on other gear?
> > i.e. controlling the levels of individual elektron 
> machinedrum machines, fx sends etc.

You can set up track values to control external gear with CCs direct from
Cirklon, and you can store starting values for each song or scene.
Adding a knob box to send CCs from a physical knob would mean you always
have direct access to the controls, without switching to the track value
page.
I'm adding support for the track values to pick up CCs that pass through, so
in combination with an external knob box, you'll be able to control the gear
with permanently live knobs, and also capture the current settings to store
as a preset with the song/scene.

Cheers,
Colin

Ahh ok,
Thanks Paul
So just to get my head around this (i've been skimming the manual, but haven't really got my head around this sort of part) - can you have the 'mixer' page open at the same time as changing parts/patterns etc? That would indeed make an external box redundant... as long as you can freely assign CC's, as you say there's an issue with controlling your octatrack.

More info on the bitstream: http://www.waveidea.com/en/products/bitstream_3x/

Cheers

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, Paul Nagle <softroom@...> wrote:

>
> On 12/09/2011 02:23, digitalbunny81 wrote:
> > Hey all,
> > I'm Steve and i have a Cirklon on order... go me (i've sent an email requesting an upgrade to CVIO, i hope i can get it).
> >
> > Anyway, i was wondering for live use/improv, could i potentially run my bitstream 3x through the Cirklon to change levels etc on other gear?
> > i.e. controlling the levels of individual elektron machinedrum machines, fx sends etc.
> 
> I don't see why not. I've created track values so that I can control my 
> Octatrack direct from Cirklon. At the moment I'm only sending the CCs 
> for: Pitch, Rate, Sample Start and FX 2 amount, plus Mute and Solo (you 
> have to enter a menu in Octatrack before you can solo a track so remote 
> control makes it faster). Naturally Cirklon's mixer controls the track 
> levels but its pan doesn't change the Octatrack's balance (Elektron used 
> CC8 rather than CC10 for this).
> 
> > Is this possible, or even an effecient way of working with the Cirklon?
> 
> Certainly possible, I don't know what it adds that Cirklon can't already 
> do - but then I don't know much about the bitstream.
> 
> -- 
> Paul
> ---
> http://www.softroom.co.uk
> http://paulnagle.bandcamp.com/  ** live album available **
>

Awesome news on CVIO! When you ship it, say it's under 1000 and call it a gift and i will kiss you!!

Wow... that's pretty amazing then. So when you're 'jamming' away, you could have the Cirklon on record and it would store all the data sent from an external midi controller!? Yikes, that's great.

So i guess incorporating a midi controller isn't redundant then?

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Colin f" <colin@...> wrote:

>
>  
> > > I'm Steve and i have a Cirklon on order... go me (i've sent 
> > an email requesting an upgrade to CVIO, i hope i can get it).
> 
> Adding a CVIO is no problem. Barbara will confirm when she gets back to
> work.
> 
> > > Anyway, i was wondering for live use/improv, could i 
> > potentially run my bitstream 3x through the Cirklon to change 
> > levels etc on other gear?
> > > i.e. controlling the levels of individual elektron 
> > machinedrum machines, fx sends etc.
> 
> You can set up track values to control external gear with CCs direct from
> Cirklon, and you can store starting values for each song or scene.
> Adding a knob box to send CCs from a physical knob would mean you always
> have direct access to the controls, without switching to the track value
> page.
> I'm adding support for the track values to pick up CCs that pass through, so
> in combination with an external knob box, you'll be able to control the gear
> with permanently live knobs, and also capture the current settings to store
> as a preset with the song/scene.
> 
> Cheers,
> Colin
>

On 13/09/2011 00:39, digitalbunny81 wrote:
> Ahh ok,
> Thanks Paul
> So just to get my head around this (i've been skimming the manual, but haven't really got my head around this sort of part) - can you have the 'mixer' page open at the same time as changing parts/patterns etc? That would indeed make an external box redundant... as long as you can freely assign CC's, as you say there's an issue with controlling your octatrack.

There's no issue controlling my Octatrack, in fact some operations are 
slicker using Cirklon than from the Octatrack's own controls (e.g. 
Cirklon has true independent track lengths, something Octatrack doesn't, 
yet).
Cirklon's mixer can stay open as scenes change but if you need to 
manually change a pattern you currently need to leave the mixer page. 
Similarly to access the track values you currently need to get to the 
track and page for the values you want in order to tweak the encoders.

I have a couple of MIDI controllers routed permanently through Cirklon 
to a specific synth and hardware looper (Repeater) and those controllers 
give me instant access regardless of Cirklon's pages - a technique I 
think that will always be useful even as Cirklon's control powers grow. 
I can record a new Cirklon pattern with controller tweaks in it at any 
time, which is rather lovely also.

> More info on the bitstream: http://www.waveidea.com/en/products/bitstream_3x/

Looks a wicked controller - I seem to recall the SOS review now you 
mention it.

-- 
Paul
---
http://www.softroom.co.uk
http://paulnagle.bandcamp.com/  ** live album available **

Great news, thanks Paul.
Sounds like a great combo, being able to record external tweaks via the Cirklon.
Very excited.
I just paid off the Moog Voyager XL just minutes ago and am looking at the Vermona DRM1 MK3 as well, so the Cirklon will certainly give them a smashing!

Cheers
Steve G

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, Paul Nagle <softroom@...> wrote:

>
> On 13/09/2011 00:39, digitalbunny81 wrote:
> > Ahh ok,
> > Thanks Paul
> > So just to get my head around this (i've been skimming the manual, but haven't really got my head around this sort of part) - can you have the 'mixer' page open at the same time as changing parts/patterns etc? That would indeed make an external box redundant... as long as you can freely assign CC's, as you say there's an issue with controlling your octatrack.
> 
> There's no issue controlling my Octatrack, in fact some operations are 
> slicker using Cirklon than from the Octatrack's own controls (e.g. 
> Cirklon has true independent track lengths, something Octatrack doesn't, 
> yet).
> Cirklon's mixer can stay open as scenes change but if you need to 
> manually change a pattern you currently need to leave the mixer page. 
> Similarly to access the track values you currently need to get to the 
> track and page for the values you want in order to tweak the encoders.
> 
> I have a couple of MIDI controllers routed permanently through Cirklon 
> to a specific synth and hardware looper (Repeater) and those controllers 
> give me instant access regardless of Cirklon's pages - a technique I 
> think that will always be useful even as Cirklon's control powers grow. 
> I can record a new Cirklon pattern with controller tweaks in it at any 
> time, which is rather lovely also.
> 
> > More info on the bitstream: http://www.waveidea.com/en/products/bitstream_3x/
> 
> Looks a wicked controller - I seem to recall the SOS review now you 
> mention it.
> 
> -- 
> Paul
> ---
> http://www.softroom.co.uk
> http://paulnagle.bandcamp.com/  ** live album available **
>