Analogue systems

Hallo,

still don´t know, for which of these two to decide.
can anybody tell something about advantages/disadvantages ?
for which one would you decide ?

thanks & best regards
patilon

Hi,

  there are three primary choices of true analogue sequencer in the
Eurorack format, although several more possibilities (look here for a
starter http://www.schneidersladen.de/english.html and look under step
sequencers)

  I have the A-155, and although it is a useabe sequencer, I feel
somewhat limited by only having 2 x 8 steps.  My own opinion is that
the RS200 is a better module, having for a start 3 x 8 steps although
its overall functionality is very similar.

  The third option, although it is more expensive is the Analogue
Solutions Oberkorn (http://www.analoguesolutions.com/ look under Oberkorn)

  The Oberkorn is 3 x 16 steps, giving three times the pattern
capability of the A-155 with greater functionality, including my
favourite, reset to step 16.  This allows you to reset the sequence so
that it starts at step 1, not step 2.  Of course, with this, the price
is starting to rise.  If I had the money, I would commission a custom
8 x 16 step sequencer with a half dozen gate/trigger outs.  Failing
that, I'd probably buy three Oberkorns!

In addition to a sequencer, you'll need a clock source (the Oberkorn
has one built in) such as a midi-CV converter, clock or LFO source.

A sequential Switch such as the A-151 or RS150 for chaining the
different rows of steps together.  I have altered my A151 to switch
between 2, 3 or 4 rows.

If you want to use your sequencer to generate musical sequences (i.e.
control the pitch of your VCOs) you'll probably need at least one
quantiser such as the RS260 or A156.  I have the A156 which is
perfectly serviceable.

Other options include Midi sequencers such as the MAQ 16/3 from
Doepfer, the Sequentix P3 (http://www.sequentix.com/) or the zeit rack
(http://www.infectionmusic.com/sequencers/zeitrack.html).

  There is also the DIY option (I tried it but have been unsuccessful,
so far.  I need to do some more troubleshooting) such as the CGS 59
Programmer (http://www.cgs.synth.net/) or the Milton
(http://www.buzzclick-music.com/about_milton.html).

There are also a number of "soft Sequencers such as the one in Reason,
or Numerology.  I tried the latter but I didn't really like it.  When
it comes down to it, I want to see lots of knobs and flashing LEDs.

Hope this helps,

Stuadh

--- In analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com, "gepiengedi" <patilon@...> wrote:

>
> Hallo,
> 
> still don´t know, for which of these two to decide.
> can anybody tell something about advantages/disadvantages ?
> for which one would you decide ?
> 
> thanks & best regards
> patilon
>

I don't own a sequencer yet, but looking at the difference between the RS200
and the A155, I think one should also note that the A155 has two completely
independent gate outputs while the RS200 has only one (well 3 but they're
not fully independent).  Also the A154 expander has some interesting options
that the RS200 lacks-- the ability to do the steps in "pendulum" sequence,
and random, and something else I think.

Monroe

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 7:32 PM, stuadh <stuadh@hotmail.com> wrote:

>   Hi,
>
> there are three primary choices of true analogue sequencer in the
> Eurorack format, although several more possibilities (look here for a
> starter http://www.schneidersladen.de/english.html and look under step
> sequencers)
>
> I have the A-155, and although it is a useabe sequencer, I feel
> somewhat limited by only having 2 x 8 steps. My own opinion is that
> the RS200 is a better module, having for a start 3 x 8 steps although
> its overall functionality is very similar.
>
> The third option, although it is more expensive is the Analogue
> Solutions Oberkorn (http://www.analoguesolutions.com/ look under Oberkorn)
>
> The Oberkorn is 3 x 16 steps, giving three times the pattern
> capability of the A-155 with greater functionality, including my
> favourite, reset to step 16. This allows you to reset the sequence so
> that it starts at step 1, not step 2. Of course, with this, the price
> is starting to rise. If I had the money, I would commission a custom
> 8 x 16 step sequencer with a half dozen gate/trigger outs. Failing
> that, I'd probably buy three Oberkorns!
>
> In addition to a sequencer, you'll need a clock source (the Oberkorn
> has one built in) such as a midi-CV converter, clock or LFO source.
>
> A sequential Switch such as the A-151 or RS150 for chaining the
> different rows of steps together. I have altered my A151 to switch
> between 2, 3 or 4 rows.
>
> If you want to use your sequencer to generate musical sequences (i.e.
> control the pitch of your VCOs) you'll probably need at least one
> quantiser such as the RS260 or A156. I have the A156 which is
> perfectly serviceable.
>
> Other options include Midi sequencers such as the MAQ 16/3 from
> Doepfer, the Sequentix P3 (http://www.sequentix.com/) or the zeit rack
> (http://www.infectionmusic.com/sequencers/zeitrack.html).
>
> There is also the DIY option (I tried it but have been unsuccessful,
> so far. I need to do some more troubleshooting) such as the CGS 59
> Programmer (http://www.cgs.synth.net/) or the Milton
> (http://www.buzzclick-music.com/about_milton.html).
>
> There are also a number of "soft Sequencers such as the one in Reason,
> or Numerology. I tried the latter but I didn't really like it. When
> it comes down to it, I want to see lots of knobs and flashing LEDs.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Stuadh
>
>
> --- In analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com<analogue_systems%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "gepiengedi" <patilon@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hallo,
> >
> > still don´t know, for which of these two to decide.
> > can anybody tell something about advantages/disadvantages ?
> > for which one would you decide ?
> >
> > thanks & best regards
> > patilon
> >
>
>  
>


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thank you!

>   I have the A-155, and although it is a useabe sequencer, I feel
> somewhat limited by only having 2 x 8 steps.  My own opinion is that
> the RS200 is a better module, having for a start 3 x 8 steps 
do you use it in kombination with the a-154 ? i heard the
possibillities are not bad (many different things possible)

> its overall functionality is very similar.
i found a test where i says about the third row of the rs-200:
"and a third gate pulse that's activated at each step regardless 
of the trigger output switches. "
at each step ... i don´t know, how this can be usefull ?

>   The third option, although it is more expensive is the Analogue
> Solutions Oberkorn (http://www.analoguesolutions.com/ look under 
oh, i also talked with schneider, and read in a german forum.
it seems that much luck is needed to get an oberkorn, which
works correctly. so i am careful about deciding for one.

i found another altnerative in the meantime, an mfb module,
which is programmed like a tr-606/808. 2x16 steps.
http://www.mfberlin.de/Produkte/Module/SEQ-01/seq-01.html
very cool concept, and there are rumors, that another one
with cv-voltages will come out. this in kombination with
a-154/155 could be great, what do you think ?

> In addition to a sequencer, you'll need a clock source 
the a-155 doesn´t have one ?
would be another argument für the mfb-doepfer kombination.
the mfb has clock (master/slave)

> has one built in) such as a midi-CV converter, clock or LFO source.
thats great.

>I have the A156 which is perfectly serviceable.
yes, i already search for this module, equal if in use with
a-155 or rs-200.

>There is also the DIY option (I tried it but have been 
diy is great, i did a microphone preamp, but it takes so much
time, that i really prefer a no-diy-sequencer at the moment ;)
even if the milton looks really nice, or is it a totally 
complete kit, with all parts included ?
 
> it comes down to it, I want to see lots of knobs and flashing LEDs.
yes, me too at the moment. i just want to make my experience
with modularsynthesizer + analog sequencer at the moment

thanks!!

regards
patilon