Bc2000 (for the BCF2000 & BCR2000)

Hi Karel,
Thanks for your reply and now for your patience because I am a few concepts away from being able to wrap my brain around this. 
- I understand that bc manager can also work through a midi cable connection to bcr2000, not only through USB connection, is this correct?

- You use the word "template" in your email, I use the word "preset" on the bcr. That is about the two buttons that go up and down in the preset numbers. Are we talking about the same thing?

- if we are talking about the same thing, and on ONE PRESET it is possible to assign buttons that can make the same encoder transmit midi messages on different midi channels depending on what button is pushed first, then what would be the midi command on each button to change the midi channels on which the encoders are sending?

By the way, regarding this forum, I am just hitting "reply" in my email account. Would it be better to hit "reply to sender", "reply to group", or "reply via a web post" at the bottom of the email?

Edward  

On Sep 14, 2011, at 6:22 AM, karel skakal <s_y_nagual@...> wrote:

Hi Ed,

 BC editor makes it possible to quickly EDIT big chunks of info with details and functionality that without BC Manager I wonder if it would be possible at all (for me anyway), but only how BCRs' buttons and pots will behave. That is: how slow/fast the pot turns, its value 0-???, LED display.
What if a button needs to be in increments of 10, value 0-60? Or a pot needs to be 0-60-0, like pan with corresponding LEDs?
Thank Mark we got BCManager

As far as your assignment goes, you can assign Volume to 16 pots and Pan to other 16 pots, and on/off, to 16 buttons (mute or firing tracks) , on 16 midi channel on ONE template, all 16 mics instantly accessible for Volume, Pan, on/off. (In BCR the 16 encoders would have same CC number but different midi channel, same for Pan and on/off) You'll use 3 CCs and 3x16 channels, which will prevent you from accidentally moving other pots in conflict of same CC number...simple and basic (correction for my first post)

cheers
From: "edco2003@..." <edco2003@yahoo.com>
To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 14 September 2011, 5:31
Subject: Re: [bc2000] Re: Introduction

 
Hi Karel,

Tell me if I understand correctly:
I could build a workflow in which I  push one of the buttons to go to a bcr preset. In that preset, I could assign 16 encoders to control the 16 track volumes, all on midi channel one. 

I could then press another button to go to a second bcr preset. On that preset, for example, I could have the same 16 encoders control the frequency of the high pass filter of the EQ8 inserted on every track. And all these encoders would transmit on midi channel 2. 

And so on for up to 16 bcr presets transmitting on 16 different midi channels. Is my understanding correct? And Ableton will "midi learn" each midi command in the correct midi channel. 

Regarding bc manager, I downloaded it but have not tried it yet.  Seems like another mountain to climb, so I am trying to see how far I can get with manually programming the bcr and using the midi learn function in Ableton. Not actually sure what bcr manager is good for other than archiving or loading presets. Will have to look more into it. 

Thanks for sharing your knowledge. 
Edward 
   
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On Sep 13, 2011, at 3:03 AM, karel skakal <s_y_nagual@...>nn wrote:

 
Hi  Ed,
Thanks to Mark and Royce, BC Manager is probably the best editor to work with, so when you assign volume to 16 pots, you can assign also the display, to 'see' the volume.
In your case, if you need access to all 16 mics,  assign 2 rows of 8 for Volume. Then for stuff other then volume have the 16 buttons to access the16 channels for tweaking and specific stuff: pan, fx, etc, common to all 16
Top row of pots has also push on/off feature: mute/solo etc...
There are so many possibilities...

What I do when I make a template is I load  template # X,  in the buffer(#0) and in the buffer , you can do anything and immediately send it to BCR, MIDI icon is green, (if it is grey, you're not there) to see how it works...But you must stay on X, and then when done, save it (button store 2 x)
So basically, send the template (to buffer) that you want to use for your assignment, because you will overwrite that template...
Be careful not to send all midi, (you can save your template, but don't send it unless you know what you're doing, I don't), because it has happen to me, that I over-wrote and erased all of my templates with factory template or something else. This is the only feature that I don't like on BC manager (and wish it wasn't possible).  
cheers
PS. look at the editing features in BC manager, you assign "groups" with one click...

From: Edward Cosla <edco2003@...>
To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 13 September 2011, 2:30
Subject: Re: [bc2000] Re: Introduction

 
Hi Karel,
Thanks for giving me some good ideas on how common functions can be mapped.  Was not clear on using different midi channels before. I think I am understanding what you wrote, have to read and re-read again..

For this project, I think I would need to have constant access to all track volumes all the time (top 16 encoders mapped to 16 track volumes).  This will be a live theater production and I forsee needing to adjust more than one encoder at the same time. I think I understand in the way you are describing that I would have to choose each track by pushing a button before I could adjust any parameters on that track.

It still would be nice to be able to map an encoder to scroll through choosing/highlighting each channel as I turn one encoder.  I think something like this is possible because I remember reading about someone's template where they used one push encoder to scroll up and down through clips, and another to scroll left and right through clips, and then a push on one of the encoders to fire the clip.  

Thanks for your attention,
Edward

--- On Mon, 9/12/11, karel skakal <s_y_nagual@...> wrote:

From: karel skakal <s_y_nagual@...>
Subject: Re: [bc2000] Re: Introduction
To: "bc2000@yahoogroups.com" <bc2000@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, September 12, 2011, 2:42 AM

 
Hi Ed,
I would assign each of the 16 tracks/mics to 16 buttons. You can "see" where you are and it is accurate to switch between tracks.
Then all the pots would be assigned to (common) functions/controls...Each (pot) would have its MIDI channel, corresponding to track, (button)...
So you can assign top 8 pots to 8 functions =  16 x 8 = 128 assignments per row!....(16 x Volume, ch.1-16, pot #1 for example)
I don't know what you want to do, I imagine you want to control FX, volume, pan, etc..?


From: Royce <rpcfender@...>
To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 12 September 2011, 4:31
Subject: [bc2000] Re: Introduction

 
Hi Edward
I was hoping some of the expert Live users here would be better able to
help.

> I have decided it might be easier at this point to build a static
mapping for the bcr rather than to try a Mackie emulation or some
control surface. In the midi prefs of Ableton I just have the remotes on
for the rme digiface input and output midi ports, and have no control
surface selected.

If you have selected any one of the BCR USB modes then this turns the BC
into a Midi interface and you will need to select it in the Controller
section of Live.
Send the 'dump' to the BCR and then the tracks will correspond to the 8
columns of the BC (called Instant mapping see the tutorial help under
Control surfaces to see the mapping)
I am unaware of how you get to channel 9 to 16. In Sonar you simply
press the <> switches to move by 8 tracks.
I can see that the Novation has a next/previous 8 tracks so perhaps you 
could search out what Midi messages it sends to achieve this and program
the BC in the same way.

>
> Is there some way to program an encoder to scroll through and select
each track along it's travel?

Not that I am aware of. Anyone else know???
>
> To clarify: in the session view of Ableton, if I have 16 tracks and
each is a mic input. I would like to be able to select any one of the 16
tracks by turning one encoder on the lower row of the bcr. So when the
encoder is all the way counter clockwise track 1 is selected. When the
encoder is all the way clockwise, track 16 would be selected, and each
track in between would be selected as the encoder is turned.
>
> This would make navigating to see the inserted processing on each
track very easy.

So, I guess you would like to have a single 'strip' on the BC and select
the track that it would apply to?
Perhaps blocks of 8 might be easier.

Royce