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BCF2000 usability with Sonar vs. Cubase

BCF2000 usability with Sonar vs. Cubase

2006-10-31 by brainztain

Hey,

I used to be a hardcore Sonar user but ever since I bought the BCF2000 
and experienced the level of adaptability with Cubase I had to let go.

For some reason BCF2000 and Sonar just don't click in my opinion. 
Anybody else out there who has tried both Sonar and Cubase with the 
BCF2000 have different opinions?

Re: BCF2000 usability with Sonar vs. Cubase

2006-10-31 by Steve Meiers

brainztain,
btw: nice name
I'm curious about your switch to Cubase from Sonar, because I'm thinking of going the other way myself and wonder what made you change over. I'm not really influenced by the BCF, I use one, but my main mixer is a DDX3216, so I have digital control over it.
Basically, I noticed that Sonar seems to be getting more popular and Cubase less. I also notice the price differences, it seems that Sonar is more reasonablly priced, feature for feature, etc.
And the other reason is the GNX interface, so I can drive Sonar from my GNX guitar pedalboard without having to go to the computer keyboard. As a guitarist/engineer it makes life easier.
For me, using Cubase with the DDX or the BCF has been a very complex venture gettting it all configurd. I made my own paper template to help me remember the slider/know functions, too. This helps once it's all done. But the time spent getting it all working was almost not worth the results for me. I was hoping that Sonar and maybe TranzPort would be user friendlier, also coupled with the GNX for start/sop/record.
Steve M

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Re: [bc2000] Re: BCF2000 usability with Sonar vs. Cubase

2006-11-02 by Stan Manz

I have been using Sonar since it was Cakewalk. I have a BCR2000. It is a pain. Had to program it myself in order to get bi-directional feedback using UCS. That having been said, I wouldn't leave it. The new Sonar 6 doesn't helpin making BCR2000 easy to use with their new control surface intigration. Limited control of knobs and no bidirectional feedback. But all that is probably BCR specific. It has been a very stable and easy to use program with enough features to handle whatever you throw at it.
So you may want to see if Trazport is easily intigrated with Sonar. Check the cakewalk user forum at cakewalk.com

Steve Meiers wrote:
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brainztain,
btw: nice name
I'm curious about your switch to Cubase from Sonar, because I'm thinking of going the other way myself and wonder what made you change over. I'm not really influenced by the BCF, I use one, but my main mixer is a DDX3216, so I have digital control over it.
Basically, I noticed that Sonar seems to be getting more popular and Cubase less. I also notice the price differences, it seems that Sonar is more reasonablly priced, feature for feature, etc.
And the other reason is the GNX interface, so I can drive Sonar from my GNX guitar pedalboard without having to go to the computer keyboard. As a guitarist/engineer it makes life easier.
For me, using Cubase with the DDX or the BCF has been a very complex venture gettting it all configurd. I made my own paper template to help me remember the slider/know functions, too. This helps once it's all done. But the time spent getting it all working was almost not worth the results for me. I was hoping that Sonar and maybe TranzPort would be user friendlier, also coupled with the GNX for start/sop/record.
Steve M
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Re: BCF2000 usability with Sonar vs. Cubase

2006-11-03 by brainztain

"btw: nice name"
thanks!

I went from Sonar to Cubase because I found the BCF much more 
productive in cubase.  I was able to automate almost every parameter 
without having to set anything up (almost anything).

I used Sonar for about 5 years but ever sine I made the change over 
to Cubase I haven't been missing Sonar's features.  Now, with sonar 
6.... that may be a different story since it has so many new fatures, 
but the BCF will still keep me on the Cubase side.

If changing over to sonar will allow you to have better control of 
you DAW over your control surface then do it.  BUT, make sure you 
KNOW it will help.  A lot of people using SONAR 6 have been 
complaining about having puchased SONAR because of thier new MIDI 
control feature (forgot what it's called), which doesn't even work 
with the BCF2000... I was about ready to jump over to SONAR again, 
fortunately my friend let me install my BCF on his DAW running Sonar 
6 to see how it would work... no improvement.

I know what you mean about making your own little paper! I did that 
myself.  So many button combinations can get you all confused. Brain 
overload!

good luck and peace out.

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, Steve Meiers <tekrytor@...> wrote:
>
> brainztain,
>    
>   btw: nice name
>    
>   I'm curious about your switch to Cubase from Sonar, because I'm 
thinking of going the other way myself and wonder what made you 
change over. I'm not really influenced by the BCF, I use one, but my 
main mixer is a DDX3216, so I have digital control over it.
>    
>   Basically, I noticed that Sonar seems to be getting more popular 
and Cubase less. I also notice the price differences, it seems that 
Sonar is more reasonablly priced, feature for feature, etc.
>    
>   And the other reason is the GNX interface, so I can drive Sonar 
from my GNX guitar pedalboard without having to go to the computer 
keyboard. As a guitarist/engineer it makes life easier.
>    
>   For me, using Cubase with the DDX or the BCF has been a very 
complex venture gettting it all configurd. I made my own paper 
template to help me remember the slider/know functions, too. This 
helps once it's all done. But the time spent getting it all working 
was almost not worth the results for me. I was hoping that Sonar and 
maybe TranzPort would be user friendlier, also coupled with the GNX 
for start/sop/record.
>    
>   Steve M
> 
>  
> ---------------------------------
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>

Re: [bc2000] Re: BCF2000 usability with Sonar vs. Cubase

2006-11-03 by Marc Borkan

Hi,
Maybe you could help me. I have a BCR 2000 and cubase and I have not got it to work. It sees a few random knobs,buttons and sliders, but other than that i'm clueless.
Thank you for any assistance,
Marc

brainztain wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
"btw: nice name"
thanks!

I went from Sonar to Cubase because I found the BCF much more
productive in cubase. I was able to automate almost every parameter
without having to set anything up (almost anything).

I used Sonar for about 5 years but ever sine I made the change over
to Cubase I haven't been missing Sonar's features. Now, with sonar
6.... that may be a different story since it has so many new fatures,
but the BCF will still keep me on the Cubase side.

If changing over to sonar will allow you to have better control of
you DAW over your control surface then do it. BUT, make sure you
KNOW it will help. A lot of people using SONAR 6 have been
complaining about having puchased SONAR because of thier new MIDI
control feature (forgot what it's called), which doesn't even work
with the BCF2000... I was about ready to jump over to SONAR again,
fortunately my friend let me install my BCF on his DAW running Sonar
6 to see how it would work... no improvement.

I know what you mean about making your own little paper! I did that
myself. So many button combinations can get you all confused. Brain
overload!

good luck and peace out.

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, Steve Meiers .> wrote:
>
> brainztain,
>
> btw: nice name
>
> I'm curious about your switch to Cubase from Sonar, because I'm
thinking of going the other way myself and wonder what made you
change over. I'm not really influenced by the BCF, I use one, but my
main mixer is a DDX3216, so I have digital control over it.
>
> Basically, I noticed that Sonar seems to be getting more popular
and Cubase less. I also notice the price differences, it seems that
Sonar is more reasonablly priced, feature for feature, etc.
>
> And the other reason is the GNX interface, so I can drive Sonar
from my GNX guitar pedalboard without having to go to the computer
keyboard. As a guitarist/engineer it makes life easier.
>
> For me, using Cubase with the DDX or the BCF has been a very
complex venture gettting it all configurd. I made my own paper
template to help me remember the slider/know functions, too. This
helps once it's all done. But the time spent getting it all working
was almost not worth the results for me. I was hoping that Sonar and
maybe TranzPort would be user friendlier, also coupled with the GNX
for start/sop/record.
>
> Steve M
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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Re: [bc2000] Re: BCF2000 usability with Sonar vs. Cubase

2006-11-03 by Brain Ztain

Hey,
I don't have a BCR so I can't help much,. but here's my advice:
First thing you should do is update your firmware (like drivers but inside you BCR). I'm not sure if BCR uses the same procedure as BCF, but I think it most likeley does. Go to the behringer website and download the firmware (if there is any). Then do the update for that. Then you'll need to also download the latest drivers (these are the drivers for your PC). Next you'll need to find out which is the best way to use the BCR in cubase. I use my BCF with a Mackie emulation mode, but I don't even think that's possible with the BCR because they're all knobs and no sliders.
Your best bet is going to the Behringer site and reading all the latest documents/manuals.
Peace

Marc Borkan wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
Hi,
Maybe you could help me. I have a BCR 2000 and cubase and I have not got it to work. It sees a few random knobs,buttons and sliders, but other than that i'm clueless.
Thank you for any assistance,
Marc

brainztain com> wrote:
"btw: nice name"
thanks!

I went from Sonar to Cubase because I found the BCF much more
productive in cubase. I was able to automate almost every parameter
without having to set anything up (almost anything).

I used Sonar for about 5 years but ever sine I made the change over
to Cubase I haven't been missing Sonar's features. Now, with sonar
6.... that may be a different story since it has so many new fatures,
but the BCF will still keep me on the Cubase side.

If changing over to sonar will allow you to have better control of
you DAW over your control surface then do it. BUT, make sure you
KNOW it will help. A lot of people using SONAR 6 have been
complaining about having puchased SONAR because of thier new MIDI
control feature (forgot what it's called), which doesn't even work
with the BCF2000... I was about ready to jump over to SONAR again,
fortunately my friend let me install my BCF on his DAW running Sonar
6 to see how it would work... no improvement.

I know what you mean about making your own little paper! I did that
myself. So many button combinations can get you all confused. Brain
overload!

good luck and peace out.

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, Steve Meiers .> wrote:
>
> brainztain,
>
> btw: nice name
>
> I'm curious about your switch to Cubase from Sonar, because I'm
thinking of going the other way myself and wonder what made you
change over. I'm not really influenced by the BCF, I use one, but my
main mixer is a DDX3216, so I have digital control over it.
>
> Basically, I noticed that Sonar seems to be getting more popular
and Cubase less. I also notice the price differences, it seems that
Sonar is more reasonablly priced, feature for feature, etc.
>
> And the other reason is the GNX interface, so I can drive Sonar
from my GNX guitar pedalboard without having to go to the computer
keyboard. As a guitarist/engineer it makes life easier.
>
> For me, using Cubase with the DDX or the BCF has been a very
complex venture gettting it all configurd. I made my own paper
template to help me remember the slider/know functions, too. This
helps once it's all done. But the time spent getting it all working
was almost not worth the results for me. I was hoping that Sonar and
maybe TranzPort would be user friendlier, also coupled with the GNX
for start/sop/record.
>
> Steve M
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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>


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