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MCU Presets - too good to be true

MCU Presets - too good to be true

2009-11-19 by chisel316

I was so excited after looking at all the posts and files regarding user presets that contain Mackie Emulation.  I immediately downloaded BC Manager and the Live presets from this forum.  I launched Live and started testing out the different presets.  Then reality set in when I found two major drawbacks to using MCU mode in presets:

1)  V-Pot LEDs don't sync with the DAW.
2)  I can't use BCFView.

Please tell me that there are solutions to the above two problems.  Otherwise, I'll just have to go back to MCU mode.

Peace \/
chisel316

Re: MCU Presets - too good to be true - Kips thread stealer - sorry.

2009-11-20 by -

Nothing in this world is perfect -
I have been working with mackie emulation so long now... and I don't mean actually using it, I mean learning about it and creating emulations... that I loose sight of the important part.
These are here to "help" us with workflow, to help us create music in a more seemless... no that is not the word... less removed from the process feel.
I am still trying to find the "ultimate" layout for controls in and for a mix of flexibility thru a variety of methods, including; Rockum and I doing autohotkey (very cool and powerful scripting language) work to create FreeMce (mackie without a controller!). (Appologies to be - off bc topic).

I am currentlyworking on:
Taking midi input (from a bcr or bcf or other midi controller and converting cc/notes/pbs to keypresses (like bomes without bomes.) I already have something working. It will be released free open source and I would love to have help on it (email me, I'll get you up to speed), it will be for either reaper and or Live.
A guy just made QWmidi (check ahk forum) a very nice and small midi keyboard for pc keyboard (ok now I am way off topic, sorry.)

The problem that I have run into is two fold...
1. I am notmaking music when i work on this stuff.
2. When I am not making music, I forget what what my workflow is... that is what I need to have streamlined or how I want to change my workflow to be more efficent.
Now there is the rub.

So for a long drawn out answer to your questions ...

1 - No solution - to the vpot led thing as I know it - the problem is the relative midi data.
The Led's can't get a fix on position from relative data. I know it's a rub... but eh... when using live, you give up clip_fires. and to me those are more important.
2. I don't even have a bcf, only a bcr, so I can not even use bcfview, so I don't miss it. I finde I don't even use huskervu unless I am trying to tweak plugins and I like the dpots better for that anyway.

My advice - unless you want to join me or others making emulations (and I must say it has become an addiction of sorts or maybe an excuse because my music is lame...), use what you can, change it to your liking (if you can) but mostly get back to working on music, isn't that what it is all about?


--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "chisel316" wrote:
>
> I was so excited after looking at all the posts and files regarding user presets that contain Mackie Emulation. I immediately downloaded BC Manager and the Live presets from this forum. I launched Live and started testing out the different presets. Then reality set in when I found two major drawbacks to using MCU mode in presets:
>
> 1) V-Pot LEDs don't sync with the DAW.
> 2) I can't use BCFView.
>
> Please tell me that there are solutions to the above two problems. Otherwise, I'll just have to go back to MCU mode.
>
> Peace \/
> chisel316
>

Re: [bc2000] Re: MCU Presets - too good to be true - Kips thread stealer - sorry.

2009-11-25 by Jeff B

Hi Skip,

A friend of mine wants me to write some custom software for him to control his MOTU 828 mk2 mixer via mackie control emulation.  Apparently it is supposed to be compatible with a mackie control surface, but he's having a hard time trying to get specs for it (for some reason neither MOTU nor Mackie are releasing specs).

What can you tell me about Mackie Controller emulation?  Is there a spec available?

Thanks,

Jeff



--- On Fri, 11/20/09, - <k5kip_1999@...> wrote:

From: - <k5kip_1999@yahoo.com>
Subject: [bc2000] Re: MCU Presets  - too good to be true - Kips thread stealer - sorry.
To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 6:51 AM







 



  


    
      
      
      
Nothing in this world is perfect -
I have been working with mackie emulation so long now... and I don't mean actually using it, I mean learning about it and creating emulations.. . that I loose sight of the important part.
These are here to "help" us with workflow, to help us create music in a more seemless... no that is not the word... less removed from the process feel.
I am still trying to find the "ultimate" layout for controls in and for a mix of flexibility thru a variety of methods, including; Rockum and I doing autohotkey (very cool and powerful scripting language) work to create FreeMce (mackie without a controller!) . (Appologies to be -  off bc topic).

I am currentlyworking on:
Taking midi input (from a bcr or bcf or other midi controller and converting cc/notes/pbs  to keypresses (like bomes without bomes.) I already have something working. It will be released free open source and I would love to have help on it (email me, I'll get you up to speed), it will be for either reaper and or Live.
A guy just made QWmidi (check ahk forum) a very nice and small midi keyboard for pc keyboard (ok now I am way off topic, sorry.)

The problem that I have run into is two fold...
1. I  am notmaking music when i work on this stuff.
2. When I am not making music, I forget what what my workflow is... that is what I need to have streamlined or how I want to change my workflow to be more efficent. 
Now there is the rub.

So for a long drawn out answer to your questions ...

1 - No solution - to the vpot led thing as I know it - the problem is the relative midi data.
The Led's can't get a fix on position from relative data. I know it's a rub... but eh... when using live, you give up clip_fires. and to me those are more important.  
2. I don't even have a bcf, only a bcr, so I can not even use bcfview, so I don't miss it. I finde I don't even use huskervu unless I am trying to tweak plugins and I like the dpots better for that anyway.

My advice - unless you want to join me or others making emulations (and I must say it has become an addiction of sorts or maybe an excuse because my music is lame...), use what you can, change it to your liking (if you can) but mostly get back to working on music, isn't that what it is all about? 


--- In bc2000@yahoogroups. com, "chisel316" <chisel316@.. .> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> I was so excited after looking at all the posts and files regarding user presets that contain Mackie Emulation.  I immediately downloaded BC Manager and the Live presets from this forum.  I launched Live and started testing out the different presets.  Then reality set in when I found two major drawbacks to using MCU mode in presets:
> 
> 1)  V-Pot LEDs don't sync with the DAW.
> 2)  I can't use BCFView.
> 
> Please tell me that there are solutions to the above two problems.  Otherwise, I'll just have to go back to MCU mode.
> 
> Peace \/
> chisel316
>

Re: [bc2000] Re: MCU Presets - too good to be true - Kips thread stealer - sorry.

2009-11-25 by Jeff B

Sorry everyone, this was meant to be sent just to Skip, not the entire group.

D'Oh!

Please disregard.

Jeff


--- On Tue, 11/24/09, Jeff B <jeffbee42@...> wrote:

From: Jeff B <jeffbee42@...>
Subject: Re: [bc2000] Re: MCU Presets  - too good to be true - Kips thread stealer - sorry.
To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 9:29 PM







 



  


    
      
      
      Hi Skip,

A friend of mine wants me to write some custom software for him to control his MOTU 828 mk2 mixer via mackie control emulation.  Apparently it is supposed to be compatible with a mackie control surface, but he's having a hard time trying to get specs for it (for some reason neither MOTU nor Mackie are releasing specs).

What can you tell me about Mackie Controller emulation?  Is there a spec available?

Thanks,

Jeff



--- On Fri, 11/20/09, - <k5kip_1999@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: - <k5kip_1999@yahoo. com>
Subject: [bc2000] Re: MCU Presets  - too good to be true - Kips thread stealer - sorry.
To: bc2000@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 6:51 AM







 



    
      
      
      
Nothing in this world is perfect -
I have been working with mackie emulation so long now... and I don't mean actually using it, I mean learning about it and creating emulations.. . that I loose sight of the important part.
These are here to "help" us with workflow, to help us create music in a more seemless... no that is not the word... less removed from the process feel.
I am still trying to find the "ultimate" layout for controls in and for a mix of flexibility thru a variety of methods, including; Rockum and I doing autohotkey (very cool and powerful scripting language) work to create FreeMce (mackie without a controller!) . (Appologies to be -  off bc topic).

I am currentlyworking on:
Taking midi input (from a bcr or bcf or other midi controller and converting
 cc/notes/pbs  to keypresses (like bomes without bomes.) I already have something working. It will be released free open source and I would love to have help on it (email me, I'll get you up to speed), it will be for either reaper and or Live.
A guy just made QWmidi (check ahk forum) a very nice and small midi keyboard for pc keyboard (ok now I am way off topic, sorry.)

The problem that I have run into is two fold...
1. I  am notmaking music when i work on this stuff.
2. When I am not making music, I forget what what my workflow is... that is what I need to have streamlined or how I want to change my workflow to be more efficent. 
Now there is the rub.

So for a long drawn out answer to your questions ...

1 - No solution - to the vpot led thing as I know it - the problem is the relative midi data.
The Led's can't get a fix on position from relative data. I know it's a rub... but eh... when using live, you give
 up clip_fires. and to me those are more important.  
2. I don't even have a bcf, only a bcr, so I can not even use bcfview, so I don't miss it. I finde I don't even use huskervu unless I am trying to tweak plugins and I like the dpots better for that anyway.

My advice - unless you want to join me or others making emulations (and I must say it has become an addiction of sorts or maybe an excuse because my music is lame...), use what you can, change it to your liking (if you can) but mostly get back to working on music, isn't that what it is all about? 


--- In bc2000@yahoogroups. com, "chisel316" <chisel316@.. .> wrote:
>
> I was so excited after looking at all the posts and files regarding user presets that contain Mackie Emulation.  I immediately downloaded BC Manager and the Live presets from this forum.  I launched Live and started testing out the different presets.  Then reality set in when I found two
 major drawbacks to using MCU mode in presets:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> 
> 1)  V-Pot LEDs don't sync with the DAW.
> 2)  I can't use BCFView.
> 
> Please tell me that there are solutions to the above two problems.  Otherwise, I'll just have to go back to MCU mode.
> 
> Peace \/
> chisel316
>

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