Bc2000 (for the BCF2000 & BCR2000)

From: Royce <rpcfender@...>
To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 10:52:21 AM
Subject: [bc2000] Re: Tweaking on a BCR/BCF?

  
Hi Robin
>>Now my question is, how do i tweak? How Do i have to assign knobs and how?
All knobs and the learn function do not work in other vST´s and that´s my main 
goal.

I think you need to be more specific about what you want to do to which VST.
Tweek??
If the VST won't respond to external Midi messages to adjust its parameters then 
you are out of luck.
Midi continuous controller (CC) messages are the common way to control VSTs - 
there is a preset from Behringer with all the BCR controls assigned to a 
different CCs.
You then assign the CC to the VST parameter with Learn on the VST , but it looks 
like you have already tried this

Post some more info and we'll see if we can help 

> Get the BC MIdi Implementation Manual, the document Secrets of BC by
> Joyce Craven, and the soft BC Manager and you are done

I seem to have had a sex change. 
All the best

Royce Craven.

From: Narcissus <narcissus05@...>
To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 9:38:42 AM
Subject: Re: [bc2000] Tweaking on a BCR/BCF?

  
Get the BC MIdi Implementation Manual, the document Secrets of BC by Joyce 
Craven, and the soft BC Manager and you are done

Now my question is, how do i tweak? How Do i have to assign knobs and how?

All knobs and the learn function do not work in other vST´s and that´s my main goal.

From: Sunrider <Sunrider7@...>
To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 12:07:20 PM
Subject: Re: [bc2000] Tweaking on a BCR/BCF?

  
Am 23.08.2010 06:22, schrieb Robin Lont:   

 Now my question is, how do i tweak? How Do i have to assign knobs and how? 
>All knobs and the learn function do not work in other vST´s and that´s my main 
>goal.
>
Hi Robin,

if the plugins you want to control are providing a MIDI-learn function, you 
could use the same Pro53 preset and assign the plugin's parameters to the 
Behringer's knobs.
If they don't provide such a learn function you could wrap them with "MCX" from 
Midevice (might be a problem, because the developers website seems to be 
abandoned...).

cu

Sunrider

From: Sunrider <Sunrider7@...>
To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 4:14:59 PM
Subject: Re: [bc2000] Tweaking on a BCR/BCF?

  
Am 23.08.2010 14:32, schrieb Robin Lont: 
  
> The plugins do have the ACT function, but if i use the Pro53 setting nothing 
>happens.What is ACT? A Sonar internal device, like Cubendo's Generic Remote?

There is unfortenatly not such a site anymore.
>
>http://www.midevice.com/Products.aspx?ProductID=0

But if you look into their forum, it'is full of spambot postings and they do not 
reply to the user's questions anymore...

cu

Sunrider

From: Ricardo Miraballes <narcissus05@...>
To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 9:08:48 PM
Subject: [bc2000] Re: Tweaking on a BCR/BCF?

  


--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, Robin Lont <robinlont@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Narcissus,
> 
> Thanks for the info, where can i find that?
> 
> Best
> 
> Robin

It´s right here in the FILES area : 
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/bc2000/files/Documentation/

I didn´t quite understand the amazing job Joyce had done until i really tried to 
get to the guts of my BCR. If you want to understand the way to program it, you 
must read those files.

Regarding BC Manager software : at first i wasn´t quite comfortable using it, it 
may seem a litlle mangled at first touch, but when you get the whole idea and 
really pay attention to the manual, there´s nothing you can´t do with this 
little great soft.

In any case you need to know exactly what you are trying to control. Took some 
time on my ESX to figure out all those NRPN but once i did, i can control almost 
anything on the korg.

From: Royce <rpcfender@...>
To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 4:07:28 AM
Subject: [bc2000] Re: Tweaking on a BCR/BCF?

  
Hi
---> I would like to tweek for 
> example Kore 2 from NI, 8 knobs. They
> give great effect by using a mouse but here is where the BCF could comes in. I 

> have panning and volume in Sonar.


> Wich preset from Berhinger to you mean?

bcr_Only_Controllers.zip  
Down the bottom of the page are a bunch of presets

http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/BCR2000.aspx 



> I can load the Pro 53 from NI preset and that is the only one who works. I 
>still 
>
> read on the net that people use for example
> Massive from NI, they won´t tell how, so it should be possible.

You don't say what DAW you are using.  Abelton Live can give you more 
flexibility as far as Midi channels in the CC

Select the CC preset on the BC
Start Massive in the stand alone version.
Set up Massive with Midi input from you keyboard and the BC.
Right click on a Massive knob and you will see 'Midi Learn' - select that
Twist the encoder you want to use and the Massive knob should move and now this 
knob will be controlled by the BC. Massve turns off Midi learn for that knob 
once it has a valid CC.
Right click the next Massive knob and repeat.
Save the settings File/Options Midi tab 

Load this file the next time you start Massive.

In Live you will need to have the BCR on in at least  the 'Track' 

 
> Where do i get the BC Midi Implementation Manual, the document of BC by Royce 
> Craven and the BC manager?

BC Midi Implementation Manual and BC manager from Mark's excellent web site.
http://home.kpn.nl/f2hmjvandenberg281/ 

My document is in the Files section of the group in the Documentation folder and 
is called Secrets.pdf because Behringer wouldn't tell us about the extra stuff 
in the BC.

Secret.pdf location 


All the best
Royce

From: Royce <rpcfender@yahoo.com.au>
To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 4:38:55 AM
Subject: [bc2000] Re: Tweaking on a BCR/BCF?

  
Re: Tweaking on a BCR/BCF?

I have created a simple CC on channel 1 preset for the BCR.
It is in the Files/Preset section of the group.

If you are using Mark's editor it will load either file.
If not you can send the sysex to the BCR2000

Encoder 1 to 56 (4 banks in the top row) are CC 20 to 75 with a range of 0 to
127
Button 1 to 48 (4 banks of encoder switches and 2 button banks below) are CC 76
to 123

> Oh ofcourse i forgat, i am using Sonar 8 Producer.

Using Sonar ACT - take a deep breath, I hate ACT.

Enable the BCR Midi In and out
Options/Controllers/Surfaces
Add 'ACT Midi controller'
Select the In and out ports to the BCR
Check the ACT and WAI (Where am I) boxes for the BCR
Close
Tools should now have an option 'ACT MIDI Controller' select it
Drop down the Presets box and select Behringer BCR2000 (Custom)

Decide what rows of encoders you want to use - let's use the 3 banks of non
switched lower encoders to match the ACT layout
Click on the 'Enc 41' and you can change the Label if you want to.
Click on the area below the label and it will say 'midi learn'.
Twist the BCR Encoder (top left) and Sonar will store and respond to the data
coming in (it should read 0% to 100%)

It can sometimes take a second or two to make this register.

Once you have finished save the ACT preset
Keep this dialog open

Now to connect the ACT BCR to Massive
Insert a synth track of Massive

Click the Massive dialog to make sure it is the active window.
The ACT Controller dialog should change showing the attached Massive parameters.
Click on the ACT button in the Massive dialog (top right)
Move a Massive control then twist a BCR encoder to link the two.
Repeat this for all the other controls you want to link
Click on the ACT button again and it should bring up a messages box about x
Parameters and x Controls etc. Press Yes

They are now linked. When you exit Sonar the linking file is saved

All the best

Royce

>
> Hi Royce,
> 
> Thanks for this information, i have been a bit busy lately. I will see what ik 
> can do.
> Where can i find the Files/preset of the group?
> 
> Best
> 
> Robin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Royce <rpcfender@...>
> To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 4:38:55 AM
> Subject: [bc2000] Re: Tweaking on a BCR/BCF?
> 
> Â  
> Re: Tweaking on a BCR/BCF?
> 
> I have created a simple CC on channel 1 preset for the BCR.
> It is in the Files/Preset section of the group.
> 
> If you are using Mark's editor it will load either file.
> If not you can send the sysex to the BCR2000
> 
> Encoder 1 to 56 (4 banks in the top row) are CC 20 to 75 with a range of 0 to
> 127
> Button 1 to 48 (4 banks of encoder switches and 2 button banks below) are CC 76
> to 123
> 
> > Oh ofcourse i forgat, i am using Sonar 8 Producer.
> 
> Using Sonar ACT - take a deep breath, I hate ACT.
> 
> Enable the BCR Midi In and out
> Options/Controllers/Surfaces
> Add 'ACT Midi controller'
> Select the In and out ports to the BCR
> Check the ACT and WAI (Where am I) boxes for the BCR
> Close
> Tools should now have an option 'ACT MIDI Controller' select it
> Drop down the Presets box and select Behringer BCR2000 (Custom)
> 
> Decide what rows of encoders you want to use - let's use the 3 banks of non
> switched lower encoders to match the ACT layout
> Click on the 'Enc 41' and you can change the Label if you want to.
> Click on the area below the label and it will say 'midi learn'.
> Twist the BCR Encoder (top left) and Sonar will store and respond to the data
> coming in (it should read 0% to 100%)
> 
> It can sometimes take a second or two to make this register.
> 
> Once you have finished save the ACT preset
> Keep this dialog open
> 
> Now to connect the ACT BCR to Massive
> Insert a synth track of Massive
> 
> Click the Massive dialog to make sure it is the active window.
> The ACT Controller dialog should change showing the attached Massive parameters.
> Click on the ACT button in the Massive dialog (top right)
> Move a Massive control then twist a BCR encoder to link the two.
> Repeat this for all the other controls you want to link
> Click on the ACT button again and it should bring up a messages box about x
> Parameters and x Controls etc. Press Yes
> 
> They are now linked. When you exit Sonar the linking file is saved
> 
> All the best
> 
> Royce
>