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Behringer BCR XL Control Script

Behringer BCR XL Control Script

2016-08-24 by gimmiesound@...

Well my bcr has been gathering dust for years now since I stopped using Reason. Until today got a hold of the Behringer BCR XL Control Script for use with Ableton live, worth every penny! I felt like one of the hartnoll brothers it turns the bcr in the the most powerful groovebox/mixer I have ever used :-)


Sigabort BCR Control Surface Script for Ableton Live

Sigabort BCR Control Surface Script for Ableton Live
A fully featured Control Surface Script for use with Ableton Live, giving Mixer and Parameter Control with on screen Ring Focus (Red Box) for navigation
View on isotonikstudios.com
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Re: Behringer BCR XL Control Script

2016-09-14 by senang@...

Hi,

I just looked at Isotonik's website and am very impressed by what they have to offer. Still I don't quite understand the differences: You can buy PrEditor, a BCR control script and a BCF control script.

I have both a BCF&BCR and while I have the BCF in Mackie Mode in Ableton Live I still needed to find time to map the BCR to several VSTs. I thought about using BC Manager from Mountain Utilities as this seems to be the go-to (and free) editor but I am unsure about the differences with the Isotonik tools.

Am I correct in assuming the tool PrEditor is necessary for using this Sigabort Control Scripts for the BCR&BCF? And are those scripts something you could essentialy create yourself using PrEditor?

And also what is the difference with BC Manager? Is the functionality the same or are there differences? It seems to me PrEditor is easier to use (as in a more appealing GUI) but is that really the case?

Thanks in advance!

Re: [bc2000] Re: Behringer BCR XL Control Script

2016-09-14 by Smiley

i cannot speak on the specifics of your post but just want to chime in that BC Manager for me has been a terrific app.
i like the GUI and found that i became really fast and accurate with it.
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 10:38 AM, senang@... [bc2000] <bc2000@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi,

I just looked at Isotonik's website and am very impressed by what they have to offer. Still I don't quite understand the differences: You can buy PrEditor, a BCR control script and a BCF control script.

I have both a BCF&BCR and while I have the BCF in Mackie Mode in Ableton Live I still needed to find time to map the BCR to several VSTs. I thought about using BC Manager from Mountain Utilities as this seems to be the go-to (and free) editor but I am unsure about the differences with the Isotonik tools.

Am I correct in assuming the tool PrEditor is necessary for using this Sigabort Control Scripts for the BCR&BCF? And are those scripts something you could essentialy create yourself using PrEditor?

And also what is the difference with BC Manager? Is the functionality the same or are there differences? It seems to me PrEditor is easier to use (as in a more appealing GUI) but is that really the case?

Thanks in advance!




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Re: Behringer BCR XL Control Script

2016-09-18 by senang@...

I realize BC Manager is awesome. I have much respect for the developer as well since he chose to make it availble for free -along with some other great tools as well.

It's just that this Sigabort script and PrEditor Tool seem so much more intuitive to me. I guess you could call me lazy in not putting effort in BC Manager but I am a musician first and although I have some nice hardware and tools for now they only seem to cost me time and stand between me and my creative workflow. So the easier the better for me.

Plus it does seem this new tool & script has more options than BC Manager but I really need some feedback on that since there's not much info on the web so far.

Re: Behringer BCR XL Control Script

2016-09-18 by w.james.meagher@...

Disclaimer: I have firsthand experience with BCmanager, but I have only read the website info on Sigabort and PrEditor.

From what I can gather they are apples and oranges. Everything about Sigabort and PrEditir is about using the BCR2000 as a dedicated Ableton control surface. They look like awesome one-trick ponies if what they do happens to be exactly the trick you're looking for.

If you want to do something different, like say create a custom BCR preset that controls a complex hardware or software synth or fx plugin, (or three), I don't see Sigabort having that flexibility of letting you make the BCR do WHATEVER you want it to do like BCmanager does.

So if what you want your BCmanager to do is precisely what Isotonik describes (in great detail). Sigabort doing within Ableton Live - Awesome! If you want your BCR to do anything else you'll be wanting to learn how to use BCmanager.

I recently dove into BCmanager to create a Vec4.X Roland Super JX controller. It was extremely daunting at first, but I dove in with a bit of helpful advice from this group and the forum at Mountain Utilities (where BCmanager lives). The best piece of advice I got was to actually start with a preset script that somebody else had written for a vaguely similar application, and then rewrite for my needs. In the end there was not one single remaining piece of script from that preset I started with, everything had been written over or deleted, but it allowed to see from the start what the script should look like, where values go, etc.

This reminds me, I swore I'd donate for my use of BCmanager when payday came - and payday just came!

Re: Behringer BCR XL Control Script

2016-09-18 by senang

Thanks for your response!

I hear what you're saying but I think (again, I'm looking for info so 
I'm not that knowledgeable about Isotonik/Sigabort) you're wrong about 
the one-trick pony aspect.
True, the Sigabort script is a dedicated Ableton Live script. Seems 
pretty awesome having all (or most) native plugins pre-mapped but I 
think -and this was part of my original question-
you need the tool PrEditor to use the Sigabort Live Script and it does 
mention mappings for Kontakt and Diva -which are 3rd party VST's- so 
this makes me think PrEditor works similair to BC Manager in that regard.

I only work with Ableton Live now. Like I mentioned I am a musician 
first and when I discovered the virtual DAW environment I went crazy (in 
a positive way) wanting to read about every possible plugin and own 
every piece of hardware
and lost months deciding on a proper DAW and all. But it was a 
rabbithole for me so I decided I should settle for one DAW (Live) and 
every piece of hardware I own is second hand or B-stock (musician = poor 
;)).

So although logically this would mean I'd go for the (free) BC Manager I 
find all the technical stuff daunting enough as it is and if PrEditor 
would be only a little bit easier I'd choose that so I'd really like 
some more info about this tool.
I was hoping the original poster would chip in as well, since he was the 
one raving about it ;)

In any case I do appreciate all the feedback as this group seems to be 
the go-to place for BCR/BCF anywhere and it's nice to see people are 
keeping it alive.

Re: [bc2000] Re: Behringer BCR XL Control Script

2016-09-18 by Jan Vandeweyer

Are you aware that you do not need BC Manager nor other software to map third party vstis like Diva or Kontakt? You can do all that on the BCR controller itself while it is connected to your DAW. Sometimes it is quicker to use BC Manager and easy to export or import your templates. On the other hand, BC Manager has a lot of extra functions built in. I doń't know nothing about your control script but when it only works for Ableton live, than that is already the biggest limitation and difference with BC Manager.

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Op 18-sep.-2016 5:52 PM schreef "senang senang@... [bc2000]" <bc2000@yahoogroups.com>:

Thanks for your response!

I hear what you're saying but I think (again, I'm looking for info so
I'm not that knowledgeable about Isotonik/Sigabort) you're wrong about
the one-trick pony aspect.
True, the Sigabort script is a dedicated Ableton Live script. Seems
pretty awesome having all (or most) native plugins pre-mapped but I
think -and this was part of my original question-
you need the tool PrEditor to use the Sigabort Live Script and it does
mention mappings for Kontakt and Diva -which are 3rd party VST's- so
this makes me think PrEditor works similair to BC Manager in that regard.

I only work with Ableton Live now. Like I mentioned I am a musician
first and when I discovered the virtual DAW environment I went crazy (in
a positive way) wanting to read about every possible plugin and own
every piece of hardware
and lost months deciding on a proper DAW and all. But it was a
rabbithole for me so I decided I should settle for one DAW (Live) and
every piece of hardware I own is second hand or B-stock (musician = poor
;)).

So although logically this would mean I'd go for the (free) BC Manager I
find all the technical stuff daunting enough as it is and if PrEditor
would be only a little bit easier I'd choose that so I';d really like
some more info about this tool.
I was hoping the original poster would chip in as well, since he was the
one raving about it ;)

In any case I do appreciate all the feedback as this group seems to be
the go-to place for BCR/BCF anywhere and it's nice to see people are
keeping it alive.

Re: Behringer BCR XL Control Script

2016-09-18 by senang@...

Yeah, I know you can map directly and BC Manager is just a tool/interface to make mapping more easy. I also know there are some other tools but so far BC Manager is the best I know -and indeed universal). But as it's meant to make things easier I don't feel there's anything wrong with looking into another tool that might be even more easy ;)

I started out with Sonar X2 and the ACT midi learn was really a breeze but I sold it and decided I now only focus on Ableton so -just for my purpose- the perceived limitations are in fact "custom tailored".

Re: Behringer BCR XL Control Script

2016-09-19 by rpcfender@...

I think you will find there is a learning curve whichever way you go.
SO the three options
1) Set up a CC preset (Behringer has one, but they are every where and are easy to program) in the BC, then go into Midi edit mode on Abelton and simply map the controls - easy to do but you should think about what all the controls do -what control goes where - before you start. I find this the hardest part, but it will save you a lot of time doing it first.
2) The Control Script looks like it has this done for you already - so if it looks like the right layout for you, spend the money and start creating.
3) Programming the BC - this is not for everyone, simply because, to make a device that will cater for 90% of your controller needs it needs to be flexible and this means it looks scaringly complicated when you first start.

An editor is an editor. One will work better for you than another, so you choose.
There are many editors for the BC out there, including the frustrating piece of Java rubbish supplied by Behringer.
The Birdie editor was much better, but, as it turned out, was very limited as Behringer kept a lot of info on what the BC could do to itself.

My early editor can get to everything the BC can do, but it was just for programmers.
Mark wrote not only a complete and detailed manual on the way the BC works and can be programmed, but also a graphic editor that takes most of the coding away from the user.

His editor is complete and can program the BC to do everything it is capable of.
Still I rarely use it and instead I wrote my own graphic editor (don't ask - too weird for others to use) that I prefer.

I think the script and their editor is a limited path, but being closely couple with Abelton it might be all you need and I might be selling them short as they seem to write pretty good software.
In any case you are always welcome to come back here when you creativity demands bigger and more complicated things

All the best
Royce

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