I don't think Schaeffers look _exactly_ like MOTM, but the same as Oakley (I
started the panels from modifying his VCO file), which is good enough for
me. But I'd be interested in going in on a run nonetheless. Seems like
Schaeffers cost about the same, but shipping from Germany can't be cheap.
Are 'they' the Stooges? :) Secrets are fun. Do tell.
Seriously though, I'm going to get most of Paul's designs, and Ken's, and
Tony's, and John's, and so on. Having the same format available for them is
very handy, and makes me want to invest more in all of them. Will Blacet's
new VCO come as an MOTM kit? Why not? I hope so. Oakley and MOTM have a
mutually beneficial relationship, even though they have many similar
modules. They should ask Paul if he'd mind them selling panels. I don't see
why he would. If I save a few bucks, I'm going to throw it right back into
modules anyway. ;)
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Larry T." <larry@...>
Reply-To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [cgs_synth] Re: Front Panels
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 23:57:18 -0000
In order to protect the guilty, I was looking at working with some
folks that are already doing custom MOTM panels. Then can do panels
for anyone, but do not wish to create conflicts with the actual MOTM
product line (very wise on their part I think). They normally do not
drill the panels, but they do have the centering marks to punch then
drill your own (handy if you don't want to use MOTM jacks or pots).
One of the issues with this method is that quantity counts. Doing
only one of a panel costs a bundle. I don't know what the Schaeffer
panels cost, but to they have the same 'look' as the MOTM's? If we
could get 5 or 6, or more, of the same panel, then the cost gets
reasonable. If we could get 5 or 6, or more, of 3 different panels,
then we could probably get a complete production run scheduled when we
wanted it. (The silk screening masters support 3 panels at a time.)
If you would like to see some of the finished products, let me know
and I'll send the web site for the existing products via private
e-mail. These guys are really nice (I've bought from one of them on
several occasions) and I sure don't want to mess up their relationship
with MOTM. OTOH, some of Ken's designs are NOT competing with MOTM
and, if there was a demand, they might do the do the panels outright
and make then available independently. They do their layouts using
Corel Draw, and can work from our masters or create one based on an
idea, or use ours directly if it is clean.
Larry Troth
started the panels from modifying his VCO file), which is good enough for
me. But I'd be interested in going in on a run nonetheless. Seems like
Schaeffers cost about the same, but shipping from Germany can't be cheap.
Are 'they' the Stooges? :) Secrets are fun. Do tell.
Seriously though, I'm going to get most of Paul's designs, and Ken's, and
Tony's, and John's, and so on. Having the same format available for them is
very handy, and makes me want to invest more in all of them. Will Blacet's
new VCO come as an MOTM kit? Why not? I hope so. Oakley and MOTM have a
mutually beneficial relationship, even though they have many similar
modules. They should ask Paul if he'd mind them selling panels. I don't see
why he would. If I save a few bucks, I'm going to throw it right back into
modules anyway. ;)
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Larry T." <larry@...>
Reply-To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [cgs_synth] Re: Front Panels
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 23:57:18 -0000
In order to protect the guilty, I was looking at working with some
folks that are already doing custom MOTM panels. Then can do panels
for anyone, but do not wish to create conflicts with the actual MOTM
product line (very wise on their part I think). They normally do not
drill the panels, but they do have the centering marks to punch then
drill your own (handy if you don't want to use MOTM jacks or pots).
One of the issues with this method is that quantity counts. Doing
only one of a panel costs a bundle. I don't know what the Schaeffer
panels cost, but to they have the same 'look' as the MOTM's? If we
could get 5 or 6, or more, of the same panel, then the cost gets
reasonable. If we could get 5 or 6, or more, of 3 different panels,
then we could probably get a complete production run scheduled when we
wanted it. (The silk screening masters support 3 panels at a time.)
If you would like to see some of the finished products, let me know
and I'll send the web site for the existing products via private
e-mail. These guys are really nice (I've bought from one of them on
several occasions) and I sure don't want to mess up their relationship
with MOTM. OTOH, some of Ken's designs are NOT competing with MOTM
and, if there was a demand, they might do the do the panels outright
and make then available independently. They do their layouts using
Corel Draw, and can work from our masters or create one based on an
idea, or use ours directly if it is clean.
Larry Troth
--- In cgs_synth@y..., "Thom Somneevich" <thom_s4@h...> wrote:
> Who are you going to use for the frontpanels? I like the idea of
using
> Schaeffer because I know the software and don't have to worry about
cutting
> the metal and getting the mounting holes right on, but it seems kind
of
> wasteful to ship it all the way from Germany. If you have someone
stateside,
> that would be cool. I'd be willing to design some. I have the dual
> psycho-lfo in the files section (schaeffer file).
>
> To keep cost down and be able to fit the larger rotary-switch boards
in the
> MOTM/Oakley format, you could add more to the module. For the burst
> generator, for example, you could make it 2u wide and add mults, or
edge
> another board in there -- a psycho lfo (for some crazy clocking?) or
a dc
> mixer or something from efm or oakley. Make sure the cgs board is on
the
> right so that any overlap can still fit in the open space on the
left in the
> adjoining MOTM board -- to make the rotary switch properly aligned,
there
> will still be overlap on one side; mildly punk rock, but if you're
not
> opposed to that... :)
>
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: sasami@b...
> Reply-To: cgs_synth@y...
> To: cgs_synth@y...
> Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Front Panels
> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:55:16 +1100 (EST)
>
> I think it is a good idea. At the time the form factor of the MOTM
modules
> was being discussed, I was also looking at what form factor to make
my own
> modules, and was involved in the discussion with Paul, along with
other SDIY
> members. I came to a descision before Paul, and chose the Moog
format, with
> the exception that I used 1/8th jacks. I was expeting Paul would
adopt the
> true moog form also, though instead he went with the slightly
narrower 1U
> format. He at least did go with the 5U height.
>
> Some of my panel designs would probably transport across pretty
easilly,
> though of course I need less space for the jacks.
>
> Boards such as the burt generator may cause grief if trying to fit
it on a
> single 1U panel, as the PCB itself is the width of a moog module. Of
course,
> if you are prepared to hand wire the switch , there will be no
problem.
>
> While a lot of my other boards are of the same width, it will not be
an
> issue, as they can easilly be mounted at 90 degrees to the panel.
>
> Ken
>
> >Hi All
> >
> >What follows is a posting I did to the EFF Support group. But the
> >same idea applies here. While Ken does not supply full kits,
there is
> >still a need for front panels for the completed modules. So, that
> >being said, is there any interest based on what follows?
> >
> >Since EFM supplies FracRack size blanks with their full kits, I
was
> >curious if anyone else was interested in making panels that would
be
> >compatible with the MOTM format? I have several MOTM kits, and
expect
> >to be getting more. Rather than messing with two different panel
> >sizes, and patch cord multiples/format converters, I was thinking
of
> >makeing MOTM compatible panels. If there is any interest, maybe
some
> >of you would like to help me do the layouts? I have done a little
> >research and there are sources we could piggyback on to get the
panels
> >made professionally if there is enough interest. Panels would
probaly
> >end up around USD25 to USD35 each. If we could make 5-10 of a
single
> >design, and 3 different designs (i.e. production run of 15 to 30
> >panels total). As with most issues of this type, the major costs
are
> >in the setup, so the more panels of the same design made, the
lower
> >the cost per panel. Also, in the MOTM format, a normal setup does
3
> >different designs in a single silk screen master.
> >
> >BTW, the intent here is NOT to start a flame war, but to see if
there
> >is some interest in this panel size as a common format. I find
that I
> >get the most use out of systems that have mixed sources. I am
also
> >working on some CGS PCB's and I will be looking at the possibility
of
> >MOTM format panels for them as well.
> >
> >Thanks all, and I'll look forward to hearing from you. If you
wish to
> >reply off-list, please feel free to e-mail me: ltroth@s...
> >Otherwise, I look forward to seeing how this discussion evolves on
the
> >list.
> >
> >Larry Troth
>
>
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