Cgs synth

>Hi All
>
>What follows is a posting I did to the EFF Support group. But the
>same idea applies here. While Ken does not supply full kits, there is
>still a need for front panels for the completed modules. So, that
>being said, is there any interest based on what follows?
>
>Since EFM supplies FracRack size blanks with their full kits, I was
>curious if anyone else was interested in making panels that would be
>compatible with the MOTM format? I have several MOTM kits, and expect
>to be getting more. Rather than messing with two different panel
>sizes, and patch cord multiples/format converters, I was thinking of
>makeing MOTM compatible panels. If there is any interest, maybe some
>of you would like to help me do the layouts? I have done a little
>research and there are sources we could piggyback on to get the panels
>made professionally if there is enough interest. Panels would probaly
>end up around USD25 to USD35 each. If we could make 5-10 of a single
>design, and 3 different designs (i.e. production run of 15 to 30
>panels total). As with most issues of this type, the major costs are
>in the setup, so the more panels of the same design made, the lower
>the cost per panel. Also, in the MOTM format, a normal setup does 3
>different designs in a single silk screen master.
>
>BTW, the intent here is NOT to start a flame war, but to see if there
>is some interest in this panel size as a common format. I find that I
>get the most use out of systems that have mixed sources. I am also
>working on some CGS PCB's and I will be looking at the possibility of
>MOTM format panels for them as well.
>
>Thanks all, and I'll look forward to hearing from you. If you wish to
>reply off-list, please feel free to e-mail me: ltroth@...
>Otherwise, I look forward to seeing how this discussion evolves on the
>list.
>
>Larry Troth

>Hi All
>
>What follows is a posting I did to the EFF Support group. But the
>same idea applies here. While Ken does not supply full kits, there is
>still a need for front panels for the completed modules. So, that
>being said, is there any interest based on what follows?
>
>Since EFM supplies FracRack size blanks with their full kits, I was
>curious if anyone else was interested in making panels that would be
>compatible with the MOTM format? I have several MOTM kits, and expect
>to be getting more. Rather than messing with two different panel
>sizes, and patch cord multiples/format converters, I was thinking of
>makeing MOTM compatible panels. If there is any interest, maybe some
>of you would like to help me do the layouts? I have done a little
>research and there are sources we could piggyback on to get the panels
>made professionally if there is enough interest. Panels would probaly
>end up around USD25 to USD35 each. If we could make 5-10 of a single
>design, and 3 different designs (i.e. production run of 15 to 30
>panels total). As with most issues of this type, the major costs are
>in the setup, so the more panels of the same design made, the lower
>the cost per panel. Also, in the MOTM format, a normal setup does 3
>different designs in a single silk screen master.
>
>BTW, the intent here is NOT to start a flame war, but to see if there
>is some interest in this panel size as a common format. I find that I
>get the most use out of systems that have mixed sources. I am also
>working on some CGS PCB's and I will be looking at the possibility of
>MOTM format panels for them as well.
>
>Thanks all, and I'll look forward to hearing from you. If you wish to
>reply off-list, please feel free to e-mail me: ltroth@...
>Otherwise, I look forward to seeing how this discussion evolves on the
>list.
>
>Larry Troth

--- In cgs_synth@y..., "Thom Somneevich" <thom_s4@h...> wrote:
> Who are you going to use for the frontpanels? I like the idea of
using
> Schaeffer because I know the software and don't have to worry about
cutting
> the metal and getting the mounting holes right on, but it seems kind
of
> wasteful to ship it all the way from Germany. If you have someone
stateside,
> that would be cool. I'd be willing to design some. I have the dual
> psycho-lfo in the files section (schaeffer file).
>
> To keep cost down and be able to fit the larger rotary-switch boards
in the
> MOTM/Oakley format, you could add more to the module. For the burst
> generator, for example, you could make it 2u wide and add mults, or
edge
> another board in there -- a psycho lfo (for some crazy clocking?) or
a dc
> mixer or something from efm or oakley. Make sure the cgs board is on
the
> right so that any overlap can still fit in the open space on the
left in the
> adjoining MOTM board -- to make the rotary switch properly aligned,
there
> will still be overlap on one side; mildly punk rock, but if you're
not
> opposed to that... :)
>
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: sasami@b...
> Reply-To: cgs_synth@y...
> To: cgs_synth@y...
> Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Front Panels
> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:55:16 +1100 (EST)
>
> I think it is a good idea. At the time the form factor of the MOTM
modules
> was being discussed, I was also looking at what form factor to make
my own
> modules, and was involved in the discussion with Paul, along with
other SDIY
> members. I came to a descision before Paul, and chose the Moog
format, with
> the exception that I used 1/8th jacks. I was expeting Paul would
adopt the
> true moog form also, though instead he went with the slightly
narrower 1U
> format. He at least did go with the 5U height.
>
> Some of my panel designs would probably transport across pretty
easilly,
> though of course I need less space for the jacks.
>
> Boards such as the burt generator may cause grief if trying to fit
it on a
> single 1U panel, as the PCB itself is the width of a moog module. Of
course,
> if you are prepared to hand wire the switch , there will be no
problem.
>
> While a lot of my other boards are of the same width, it will not be
an
> issue, as they can easilly be mounted at 90 degrees to the panel.
>
> Ken
>
> >Hi All
> >
> >What follows is a posting I did to the EFF Support group. But the
> >same idea applies here. While Ken does not supply full kits,
there is
> >still a need for front panels for the completed modules. So, that
> >being said, is there any interest based on what follows?
> >
> >Since EFM supplies FracRack size blanks with their full kits, I
was
> >curious if anyone else was interested in making panels that would
be
> >compatible with the MOTM format? I have several MOTM kits, and
expect
> >to be getting more. Rather than messing with two different panel
> >sizes, and patch cord multiples/format converters, I was thinking
of
> >makeing MOTM compatible panels. If there is any interest, maybe
some
> >of you would like to help me do the layouts? I have done a little
> >research and there are sources we could piggyback on to get the
panels
> >made professionally if there is enough interest. Panels would
probaly
> >end up around USD25 to USD35 each. If we could make 5-10 of a
single
> >design, and 3 different designs (i.e. production run of 15 to 30
> >panels total). As with most issues of this type, the major costs
are
> >in the setup, so the more panels of the same design made, the
lower
> >the cost per panel. Also, in the MOTM format, a normal setup does
3
> >different designs in a single silk screen master.
> >
> >BTW, the intent here is NOT to start a flame war, but to see if
there
> >is some interest in this panel size as a common format. I find
that I
> >get the most use out of systems that have mixed sources. I am
also
> >working on some CGS PCB's and I will be looking at the possibility
of
> >MOTM format panels for them as well.
> >
> >Thanks all, and I'll look forward to hearing from you. If you
wish to
> >reply off-list, please feel free to e-mail me: ltroth@s...
> >Otherwise, I look forward to seeing how this discussion evolves on
the
> >list.
> >
> >Larry Troth
>
>
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_
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> Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
> Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies
<http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
>
>
>
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--- In cgs_synth@y..., "Thom Somneevich" <thom_s4@h...> wrote:
> Who are you going to use for the frontpanels? I like the idea of
using
> Schaeffer because I know the software and don't have to worry about
cutting
> the metal and getting the mounting holes right on, but it seems kind
of
> wasteful to ship it all the way from Germany. If you have someone
stateside,
> that would be cool. I'd be willing to design some. I have the dual
> psycho-lfo in the files section (schaeffer file).
>
> To keep cost down and be able to fit the larger rotary-switch boards
in the
> MOTM/Oakley format, you could add more to the module. For the burst
> generator, for example, you could make it 2u wide and add mults, or
edge
> another board in there -- a psycho lfo (for some crazy clocking?) or
a dc
> mixer or something from efm or oakley. Make sure the cgs board is on
the
> right so that any overlap can still fit in the open space on the
left in the
> adjoining MOTM board -- to make the rotary switch properly aligned,
there
> will still be overlap on one side; mildly punk rock, but if you're
not
> opposed to that... :)
>
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: sasami@b...
> Reply-To: cgs_synth@y...
> To: cgs_synth@y...
> Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Front Panels
> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:55:16 +1100 (EST)
>
> I think it is a good idea. At the time the form factor of the MOTM
modules
> was being discussed, I was also looking at what form factor to make
my own
> modules, and was involved in the discussion with Paul, along with
other SDIY
> members. I came to a descision before Paul, and chose the Moog
format, with
> the exception that I used 1/8th jacks. I was expeting Paul would
adopt the
> true moog form also, though instead he went with the slightly
narrower 1U
> format. He at least did go with the 5U height.
>
> Some of my panel designs would probably transport across pretty
easilly,
> though of course I need less space for the jacks.
>
> Boards such as the burt generator may cause grief if trying to fit
it on a
> single 1U panel, as the PCB itself is the width of a moog module. Of
course,
> if you are prepared to hand wire the switch , there will be no
problem.
>
> While a lot of my other boards are of the same width, it will not be
an
> issue, as they can easilly be mounted at 90 degrees to the panel.
>
> Ken
>
> >Hi All
> >
> >What follows is a posting I did to the EFF Support group. But the
> >same idea applies here. While Ken does not supply full kits,
there is
> >still a need for front panels for the completed modules. So, that
> >being said, is there any interest based on what follows?
> >
> >Since EFM supplies FracRack size blanks with their full kits, I
was
> >curious if anyone else was interested in making panels that would
be
> >compatible with the MOTM format? I have several MOTM kits, and
expect
> >to be getting more. Rather than messing with two different panel
> >sizes, and patch cord multiples/format converters, I was thinking
of
> >makeing MOTM compatible panels. If there is any interest, maybe
some
> >of you would like to help me do the layouts? I have done a little
> >research and there are sources we could piggyback on to get the
panels
> >made professionally if there is enough interest. Panels would
probaly
> >end up around USD25 to USD35 each. If we could make 5-10 of a
single
> >design, and 3 different designs (i.e. production run of 15 to 30
> >panels total). As with most issues of this type, the major costs
are
> >in the setup, so the more panels of the same design made, the
lower
> >the cost per panel. Also, in the MOTM format, a normal setup does
3
> >different designs in a single silk screen master.
> >
> >BTW, the intent here is NOT to start a flame war, but to see if
there
> >is some interest in this panel size as a common format. I find
that I
> >get the most use out of systems that have mixed sources. I am
also
> >working on some CGS PCB's and I will be looking at the possibility
of
> >MOTM format panels for them as well.
> >
> >Thanks all, and I'll look forward to hearing from you. If you
wish to
> >reply off-list, please feel free to e-mail me: ltroth@s...
> >Otherwise, I look forward to seeing how this discussion evolves on
the
> >list.
> >
> >Larry Troth
>
>
______________________________________________________________________
_
> Ken Stone sasami@b...
> Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
> Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies
<http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
>
>
>
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--- In cgs_synth@y..., "Thom Somneevich" <thom_s4@h...> wrote:
>
> I don't think Schaeffers look _exactly_ like MOTM, but the same as
Oakley (I
> started the panels from modifying his VCO file), which is good
enough for
> me. But I'd be interested in going in on a run nonetheless. Seems
like
> Schaeffers cost about the same, but shipping from Germany can't be
cheap.
>
> Are 'they' the Stooges? :) Secrets are fun. Do tell.
>
> Seriously though, I'm going to get most of Paul's designs, and
Ken's, and
> Tony's, and John's, and so on. Having the same format available for
them is
> very handy, and makes me want to invest more in all of them. Will
Blacet's
> new VCO come as an MOTM kit? Why not? I hope so. Oakley and MOTM
have a
> mutually beneficial relationship, even though they have many similar
> modules. They should ask Paul if he'd mind them selling panels. I
don't see
> why he would. If I save a few bucks, I'm going to throw it right
back into
> modules anyway. ;)
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Larry T." <larry@u...>
> Reply-To: cgs_synth@y...
> To: cgs_synth@y...
> Subject: [cgs_synth] Re: Front Panels
> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 23:57:18 -0000
>
> In order to protect the guilty, I was looking at working with some
> folks that are already doing custom MOTM panels. Then can do panels
> for anyone, but do not wish to create conflicts with the actual MOTM
> product line (very wise on their part I think). They normally do
not
> drill the panels, but they do have the centering marks to punch then
> drill your own (handy if you don't want to use MOTM jacks or pots).
> One of the issues with this method is that quantity counts. Doing
> only one of a panel costs a bundle. I don't know what the Schaeffer
> panels cost, but to they have the same 'look' as the MOTM's? If we
> could get 5 or 6, or more, of the same panel, then the cost gets
> reasonable. If we could get 5 or 6, or more, of 3 different panels,
> then we could probably get a complete production run scheduled when
we
> wanted it. (The silk screening masters support 3 panels at a time.)
> If you would like to see some of the finished products, let me know
> and I'll send the web site for the existing products via private
> e-mail. These guys are really nice (I've bought from one of them on
> several occasions) and I sure don't want to mess up their
relationship
> with MOTM. OTOH, some of Ken's designs are NOT competing with MOTM
> and, if there was a demand, they might do the do the panels outright
> and make then available independently. They do their layouts using
> Corel Draw, and can work from our masters or create one based on an
> idea, or use ours directly if it is clean.
>
> Larry Troth
>
> --- In cgs_synth@y..., "Thom Somneevich" <thom_s4@h...> wrote:
> > Who are you going to use for the frontpanels? I like the idea of
> using
> > Schaeffer because I know the software and don't have to worry
about
> cutting
> > the metal and getting the mounting holes right on, but it seems
kind
> of
> > wasteful to ship it all the way from Germany. If you have someone
> stateside,
> > that would be cool. I'd be willing to design some. I have the
dual
> > psycho-lfo in the files section (schaeffer file).
> >
> > To keep cost down and be able to fit the larger rotary-switch
boards
> in the
> > MOTM/Oakley format, you could add more to the module. For the
burst
> > generator, for example, you could make it 2u wide and add mults,
or
> edge
> > another board in there -- a psycho lfo (for some crazy clocking?)
or
> a dc
> > mixer or something from efm or oakley. Make sure the cgs board is
on
> the
> > right so that any overlap can still fit in the open space on the
> left in the
> > adjoining MOTM board -- to make the rotary switch properly
aligned,
> there
> > will still be overlap on one side; mildly punk rock, but if
you're
> not
> > opposed to that... :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: sasami@b...
> > Reply-To: cgs_synth@y...
> > To: cgs_synth@y...
> > Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Front Panels
> > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:55:16 +1100 (EST)
> >
> > I think it is a good idea. At the time the form factor of the
MOTM
> modules
> > was being discussed, I was also looking at what form factor to
make
> my own
> > modules, and was involved in the discussion with Paul, along with
> other SDIY
> > members. I came to a descision before Paul, and chose the Moog
> format, with
> > the exception that I used 1/8th jacks. I was expeting Paul would
> adopt the
> > true moog form also, though instead he went with the slightly
> narrower 1U
> > format. He at least did go with the 5U height.
> >
> > Some of my panel designs would probably transport across pretty
> easilly,
> > though of course I need less space for the jacks.
> >
> > Boards such as the burt generator may cause grief if trying to
fit
> it on a
> > single 1U panel, as the PCB itself is the width of a moog module.
Of
> course,
> > if you are prepared to hand wire the switch , there will be no
> problem.
> >
> > While a lot of my other boards are of the same width, it will not
be
> an
> > issue, as they can easilly be mounted at 90 degrees to the panel.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > >Hi All
> > >
> > >What follows is a posting I did to the EFF Support group. But
the
> > >same idea applies here. While Ken does not supply full kits,
> there is
> > >still a need for front panels for the completed modules. So,
that
> > >being said, is there any interest based on what follows?
> > >
> > >Since EFM supplies FracRack size blanks with their full kits, I
> was
> > >curious if anyone else was interested in making panels that
would
> be
> > >compatible with the MOTM format? I have several MOTM kits, and
> expect
> > >to be getting more. Rather than messing with two different
panel
> > >sizes, and patch cord multiples/format converters, I was
thinking
> of
> > >makeing MOTM compatible panels. If there is any interest,
maybe
> some
> > >of you would like to help me do the layouts? I have done a
little
> > >research and there are sources we could piggyback on to get the
> panels
> > >made professionally if there is enough interest. Panels would
> probaly
> > >end up around USD25 to USD35 each. If we could make 5-10 of a
> single
> > >design, and 3 different designs (i.e. production run of 15 to
30
> > >panels total). As with most issues of this type, the major
costs
> are
> > >in the setup, so the more panels of the same design made, the
> lower
> > >the cost per panel. Also, in the MOTM format, a normal setup
does
> 3
> > >different designs in a single silk screen master.
> > >
> > >BTW, the intent here is NOT to start a flame war, but to see if
> there
> > >is some interest in this panel size as a common format. I find
> that I
> > >get the most use out of systems that have mixed sources. I am
> also
> > >working on some CGS PCB's and I will be looking at the
possibility
> of
> > >MOTM format panels for them as well.
> > >
> > >Thanks all, and I'll look forward to hearing from you. If you
> wish to
> > >reply off-list, please feel free to e-mail me: ltroth@s...
> > >Otherwise, I look forward to seeing how this discussion evolves
on
> the
> > >list.
> > >
> > >Larry Troth
> >
> >
>
______________________________________________________________________
> _
> > Ken Stone sasami@b...
> > Modular Synth PCBs for sale
<http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
> > Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies
> <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
> >
> >
> >
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--- In cgs_synth@y..., "Thom Somneevich" <thom_s4@h...> wrote:
>
> I don't think Schaeffers look _exactly_ like MOTM, but the same as
Oakley (I
> started the panels from modifying his VCO file), which is good
enough for
> me. But I'd be interested in going in on a run nonetheless. Seems
like
> Schaeffers cost about the same, but shipping from Germany can't be
cheap.
>
> Are 'they' the Stooges? :) Secrets are fun. Do tell.
>
> Seriously though, I'm going to get most of Paul's designs, and
Ken's, and
> Tony's, and John's, and so on. Having the same format available for
them is
> very handy, and makes me want to invest more in all of them. Will
Blacet's
> new VCO come as an MOTM kit? Why not? I hope so. Oakley and MOTM
have a
> mutually beneficial relationship, even though they have many similar
> modules. They should ask Paul if he'd mind them selling panels. I
don't see
> why he would. If I save a few bucks, I'm going to throw it right
back into
> modules anyway. ;)
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Larry T." <larry@u...>
> Reply-To: cgs_synth@y...
> To: cgs_synth@y...
> Subject: [cgs_synth] Re: Front Panels
> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 23:57:18 -0000
>
> In order to protect the guilty, I was looking at working with some
> folks that are already doing custom MOTM panels. Then can do panels
> for anyone, but do not wish to create conflicts with the actual MOTM
> product line (very wise on their part I think). They normally do
not
> drill the panels, but they do have the centering marks to punch then
> drill your own (handy if you don't want to use MOTM jacks or pots).
> One of the issues with this method is that quantity counts. Doing
> only one of a panel costs a bundle. I don't know what the Schaeffer
> panels cost, but to they have the same 'look' as the MOTM's? If we
> could get 5 or 6, or more, of the same panel, then the cost gets
> reasonable. If we could get 5 or 6, or more, of 3 different panels,
> then we could probably get a complete production run scheduled when
we
> wanted it. (The silk screening masters support 3 panels at a time.)
> If you would like to see some of the finished products, let me know
> and I'll send the web site for the existing products via private
> e-mail. These guys are really nice (I've bought from one of them on
> several occasions) and I sure don't want to mess up their
relationship
> with MOTM. OTOH, some of Ken's designs are NOT competing with MOTM
> and, if there was a demand, they might do the do the panels outright
> and make then available independently. They do their layouts using
> Corel Draw, and can work from our masters or create one based on an
> idea, or use ours directly if it is clean.
>
> Larry Troth
>
> --- In cgs_synth@y..., "Thom Somneevich" <thom_s4@h...> wrote:
> > Who are you going to use for the frontpanels? I like the idea of
> using
> > Schaeffer because I know the software and don't have to worry
about
> cutting
> > the metal and getting the mounting holes right on, but it seems
kind
> of
> > wasteful to ship it all the way from Germany. If you have someone
> stateside,
> > that would be cool. I'd be willing to design some. I have the
dual
> > psycho-lfo in the files section (schaeffer file).
> >
> > To keep cost down and be able to fit the larger rotary-switch
boards
> in the
> > MOTM/Oakley format, you could add more to the module. For the
burst
> > generator, for example, you could make it 2u wide and add mults,
or
> edge
> > another board in there -- a psycho lfo (for some crazy clocking?)
or
> a dc
> > mixer or something from efm or oakley. Make sure the cgs board is
on
> the
> > right so that any overlap can still fit in the open space on the
> left in the
> > adjoining MOTM board -- to make the rotary switch properly
aligned,
> there
> > will still be overlap on one side; mildly punk rock, but if
you're
> not
> > opposed to that... :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: sasami@b...
> > Reply-To: cgs_synth@y...
> > To: cgs_synth@y...
> > Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Front Panels
> > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:55:16 +1100 (EST)
> >
> > I think it is a good idea. At the time the form factor of the
MOTM
> modules
> > was being discussed, I was also looking at what form factor to
make
> my own
> > modules, and was involved in the discussion with Paul, along with
> other SDIY
> > members. I came to a descision before Paul, and chose the Moog
> format, with
> > the exception that I used 1/8th jacks. I was expeting Paul would
> adopt the
> > true moog form also, though instead he went with the slightly
> narrower 1U
> > format. He at least did go with the 5U height.
> >
> > Some of my panel designs would probably transport across pretty
> easilly,
> > though of course I need less space for the jacks.
> >
> > Boards such as the burt generator may cause grief if trying to
fit
> it on a
> > single 1U panel, as the PCB itself is the width of a moog module.
Of
> course,
> > if you are prepared to hand wire the switch , there will be no
> problem.
> >
> > While a lot of my other boards are of the same width, it will not
be
> an
> > issue, as they can easilly be mounted at 90 degrees to the panel.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > >Hi All
> > >
> > >What follows is a posting I did to the EFF Support group. But
the
> > >same idea applies here. While Ken does not supply full kits,
> there is
> > >still a need for front panels for the completed modules. So,
that
> > >being said, is there any interest based on what follows?
> > >
> > >Since EFM supplies FracRack size blanks with their full kits, I
> was
> > >curious if anyone else was interested in making panels that
would
> be
> > >compatible with the MOTM format? I have several MOTM kits, and
> expect
> > >to be getting more. Rather than messing with two different
panel
> > >sizes, and patch cord multiples/format converters, I was
thinking
> of
> > >makeing MOTM compatible panels. If there is any interest,
maybe
> some
> > >of you would like to help me do the layouts? I have done a
little
> > >research and there are sources we could piggyback on to get the
> panels
> > >made professionally if there is enough interest. Panels would
> probaly
> > >end up around USD25 to USD35 each. If we could make 5-10 of a
> single
> > >design, and 3 different designs (i.e. production run of 15 to
30
> > >panels total). As with most issues of this type, the major
costs
> are
> > >in the setup, so the more panels of the same design made, the
> lower
> > >the cost per panel. Also, in the MOTM format, a normal setup
does
> 3
> > >different designs in a single silk screen master.
> > >
> > >BTW, the intent here is NOT to start a flame war, but to see if
> there
> > >is some interest in this panel size as a common format. I find
> that I
> > >get the most use out of systems that have mixed sources. I am
> also
> > >working on some CGS PCB's and I will be looking at the
possibility
> of
> > >MOTM format panels for them as well.
> > >
> > >Thanks all, and I'll look forward to hearing from you. If you
> wish to
> > >reply off-list, please feel free to e-mail me: ltroth@s...
> > >Otherwise, I look forward to seeing how this discussion evolves
on
> the
> > >list.
> > >
> > >Larry Troth
> >
> >
>
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> _
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> > Modular Synth PCBs for sale
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--- In cgs_synth@y..., "Thom Somneevich" <thom_s4@h...> wrote:
>
> 2u Schaeffers are about 55dm -- so about $27, not including
shipping. No
> minimum order. If you order 5-9, it's 10% off. -20 is 20% off, and
-30 (in
> case you want a _lot_ of psychos!) is 30% off. They're actually
engraved and
> inked, not printed.
>
> I just did a 5u Serge-style layout, w/ 112 component holes (whee!),
mounting
> holes, and five engraved rectangles to section parts off from each
other,
> and it's about $75. Chromated natural aluminum. All the etching for
the
> individual component labels will drive that price up quite a bit --
about
> $.25/word.
>
> Front panels and formats are the two things that really chafe my
rump.
>
> thom
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Larry" <ltroth@s...>
> Reply-To: cgs_synth@y...
> To: cgs_synth@y...
> Subject: [cgs_synth] Re: Front Panels
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 02:52:13 -0000
>
> What do the Schaeffers cost? And what is the minimum order
quantity?
>
> As for the Stooges, cooould beeee.
>
> It's a shame that this kind of fab work is so expensive. Tom at EFM
> is looking into a printed vinyl self adhesive overlay for his
modules,
> and he might, just might, be interested in doing MOTM sized panels
> after that. Only thing is that the vinyl will probably be white
with
> black lettering. I'm also going to check out adhesive labels at the
> local office supply store, mayby 8-1/2x11 labels with color printing
> and clear spray on laquer will work? If it turns out to be too
> difficult or expensive to get the MOTM formats done, and if the
vinyl
> looks good, I will probably end up doing my own in a similar fashion
> and will just use a 1u x 19" filler panel with several 1/8"-1/4"
jack
> multiples and one of Ken's DC Mixers.
>
> Larry
>
> --- In cgs_synth@y..., "Thom Somneevich" <thom_s4@h...> wrote:
> >
> > I don't think Schaeffers look _exactly_ like MOTM, but the same
as
> Oakley (I
> > started the panels from modifying his VCO file), which is good
> enough for
> > me. But I'd be interested in going in on a run nonetheless. Seems
> like
> > Schaeffers cost about the same, but shipping from Germany can't
be
> cheap.
> >
> > Are 'they' the Stooges? :) Secrets are fun. Do tell.
> >
> > Seriously though, I'm going to get most of Paul's designs, and
> Ken's, and
> > Tony's, and John's, and so on. Having the same format available
for
> them is
> > very handy, and makes me want to invest more in all of them. Will
> Blacet's
> > new VCO come as an MOTM kit? Why not? I hope so. Oakley and MOTM
> have a
> > mutually beneficial relationship, even though they have many
similar
> > modules. They should ask Paul if he'd mind them selling panels. I
> don't see
> > why he would. If I save a few bucks, I'm going to throw it right
> back into
> > modules anyway. ;)
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: "Larry T." <larry@u...>
> > Reply-To: cgs_synth@y...
> > To: cgs_synth@y...
> > Subject: [cgs_synth] Re: Front Panels
> > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 23:57:18 -0000
> >
> > In order to protect the guilty, I was looking at working with
some
> > folks that are already doing custom MOTM panels. Then can do
panels
> > for anyone, but do not wish to create conflicts with the actual
MOTM
> > product line (very wise on their part I think). They normally do
> not
> > drill the panels, but they do have the centering marks to punch
then
> > drill your own (handy if you don't want to use MOTM jacks or
pots).
> > One of the issues with this method is that quantity counts.
Doing
> > only one of a panel costs a bundle. I don't know what the
Schaeffer
> > panels cost, but to they have the same 'look' as the MOTM's? If
we
> > could get 5 or 6, or more, of the same panel, then the cost gets
> > reasonable. If we could get 5 or 6, or more, of 3 different
panels,
> > then we could probably get a complete production run scheduled
when
> we
> > wanted it. (The silk screening masters support 3 panels at a
time.)
> > If you would like to see some of the finished products, let me
know
> > and I'll send the web site for the existing products via private
> > e-mail. These guys are really nice (I've bought from one of them
on
> > several occasions) and I sure don't want to mess up their
> relationship
> > with MOTM. OTOH, some of Ken's designs are NOT competing with
MOTM
> > and, if there was a demand, they might do the do the panels
outright
> > and make then available independently. They do their layouts
using
> > Corel Draw, and can work from our masters or create one based on
an
> > idea, or use ours directly if it is clean.
> >
> > Larry Troth
> >
> > --- In cgs_synth@y..., "Thom Somneevich" <thom_s4@h...> wrote:
> > > Who are you going to use for the frontpanels? I like the idea
of
> > using
> > > Schaeffer because I know the software and don't have to worry
> about
> > cutting
> > > the metal and getting the mounting holes right on, but it
seems
> kind
> > of
> > > wasteful to ship it all the way from Germany. If you have
someone
> > stateside,
> > > that would be cool. I'd be willing to design some. I have the
> dual
> > > psycho-lfo in the files section (schaeffer file).
> > >
> > > To keep cost down and be able to fit the larger rotary-switch
> boards
> > in the
> > > MOTM/Oakley format, you could add more to the module. For the
> burst
> > > generator, for example, you could make it 2u wide and add
mults,
> or
> > edge
> > > another board in there -- a psycho lfo (for some crazy
clocking?)
> or
> > a dc
> > > mixer or something from efm or oakley. Make sure the cgs board
is
> on
> > the
> > > right so that any overlap can still fit in the open space on
the
> > left in the
> > > adjoining MOTM board -- to make the rotary switch properly
> aligned,
> > there
> > > will still be overlap on one side; mildly punk rock, but if
> you're
> > not
> > > opposed to that... :)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----Original Message Follows----
> > > From: sasami@b...
> > > Reply-To: cgs_synth@y...
> > > To: cgs_synth@y...
> > > Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Front Panels
> > > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:55:16 +1100 (EST)
> > >
> > > I think it is a good idea. At the time the form factor of the
> MOTM
> > modules
> > > was being discussed, I was also looking at what form factor to
> make
> > my own
> > > modules, and was involved in the discussion with Paul, along
with
> > other SDIY
> > > members. I came to a descision before Paul, and chose the Moog
> > format, with
> > > the exception that I used 1/8th jacks. I was expeting Paul
would
> > adopt the
> > > true moog form also, though instead he went with the slightly
> > narrower 1U
> > > format. He at least did go with the 5U height.
> > >
> > > Some of my panel designs would probably transport across
pretty
> > easilly,
> > > though of course I need less space for the jacks.
> > >
> > > Boards such as the burt generator may cause grief if trying to
> fit
> > it on a
> > > single 1U panel, as the PCB itself is the width of a moog
module.
> Of
> > course,
> > > if you are prepared to hand wire the switch , there will be no
> > problem.
> > >
> > > While a lot of my other boards are of the same width, it will
not
> be
> > an
> > > issue, as they can easilly be mounted at 90 degrees to the
panel.
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > > >Hi All
> > > >
> > > >What follows is a posting I did to the EFF Support group.
But
> the
> > > >same idea applies here. While Ken does not supply full
kits,
> > there is
> > > >still a need for front panels for the completed modules.
So,
> that
> > > >being said, is there any interest based on what follows?
> > > >
> > > >Since EFM supplies FracRack size blanks with their full
kits, I
> > was
> > > >curious if anyone else was interested in making panels that
> would
> > be
> > > >compatible with the MOTM format? I have several MOTM kits,
and
> > expect
> > > >to be getting more. Rather than messing with two different
> panel
> > > >sizes, and patch cord multiples/format converters, I was
> thinking
> > of
> > > >makeing MOTM compatible panels. If there is any interest,
> maybe
> > some
> > > >of you would like to help me do the layouts? I have done a
> little
> > > >research and there are sources we could piggyback on to get
the
> > panels
> > > >made professionally if there is enough interest. Panels
would
> > probaly
> > > >end up around USD25 to USD35 each. If we could make 5-10 of
a
> > single
> > > >design, and 3 different designs (i.e. production run of 15
to
> 30
> > > >panels total). As with most issues of this type, the major
> costs
> > are
> > > >in the setup, so the more panels of the same design made,
the
> > lower
> > > >the cost per panel. Also, in the MOTM format, a normal
setup
> does
> > 3
> > > >different designs in a single silk screen master.
> > > >
> > > >BTW, the intent here is NOT to start a flame war, but to see
if
> > there
> > > >is some interest in this panel size as a common format. I
find
> > that I
> > > >get the most use out of systems that have mixed sources. I
am
> > also
> > > >working on some CGS PCB's and I will be looking at the
> possibility
> > of
> > > >MOTM format panels for them as well.
> > > >
> > > >Thanks all, and I'll look forward to hearing from you. If
you
> > wish to
> > > >reply off-list, please feel free to e-mail me: ltroth@s...
> > > >Otherwise, I look forward to seeing how this discussion
evolves
> on
> > the
> > > >list.
> > > >
> > > >Larry Troth
> > >
> > >
> >
>
______________________________________________________________________
> > _
> > > Ken Stone sasami@b...
> > > Modular Synth PCBs for sale
> <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
> > > Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies
> > <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
> > >
> > >
> > >
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--- In cgs_synth@y..., "Thom Somneevich" <thom_s4@h...> wrote:
>
> 2u Schaeffers are about 55dm -- so about $27, not including
shipping. No
> minimum order. If you order 5-9, it's 10% off. -20 is 20% off, and
-30 (in
> case you want a _lot_ of psychos!) is 30% off. They're actually
engraved and
> inked, not printed.
>
> I just did a 5u Serge-style layout, w/ 112 component holes (whee!),
mounting
> holes, and five engraved rectangles to section parts off from each
other,
> and it's about $75. Chromated natural aluminum. All the etching for
the
> individual component labels will drive that price up quite a bit --
about
> $.25/word.
>
> Front panels and formats are the two things that really chafe my
rump.
>
> thom
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Larry" <ltroth@s...>
> Reply-To: cgs_synth@y...
> To: cgs_synth@y...
> Subject: [cgs_synth] Re: Front Panels
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 02:52:13 -0000
>
> What do the Schaeffers cost? And what is the minimum order
quantity?
>
> As for the Stooges, cooould beeee.
>
> It's a shame that this kind of fab work is so expensive. Tom at EFM
> is looking into a printed vinyl self adhesive overlay for his
modules,
> and he might, just might, be interested in doing MOTM sized panels
> after that. Only thing is that the vinyl will probably be white
with
> black lettering. I'm also going to check out adhesive labels at the
> local office supply store, mayby 8-1/2x11 labels with color printing
> and clear spray on laquer will work? If it turns out to be too
> difficult or expensive to get the MOTM formats done, and if the
vinyl
> looks good, I will probably end up doing my own in a similar fashion
> and will just use a 1u x 19" filler panel with several 1/8"-1/4"
jack
> multiples and one of Ken's DC Mixers.
>
> Larry
>
> --- In cgs_synth@y..., "Thom Somneevich" <thom_s4@h...> wrote:
> >
> > I don't think Schaeffers look _exactly_ like MOTM, but the same
as
> Oakley (I
> > started the panels from modifying his VCO file), which is good
> enough for
> > me. But I'd be interested in going in on a run nonetheless. Seems
> like
> > Schaeffers cost about the same, but shipping from Germany can't
be
> cheap.
> >
> > Are 'they' the Stooges? :) Secrets are fun. Do tell.
> >
> > Seriously though, I'm going to get most of Paul's designs, and
> Ken's, and
> > Tony's, and John's, and so on. Having the same format available
for
> them is
> > very handy, and makes me want to invest more in all of them. Will
> Blacet's
> > new VCO come as an MOTM kit? Why not? I hope so. Oakley and MOTM
> have a
> > mutually beneficial relationship, even though they have many
similar
> > modules. They should ask Paul if he'd mind them selling panels. I
> don't see
> > why he would. If I save a few bucks, I'm going to throw it right
> back into
> > modules anyway. ;)
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: "Larry T." <larry@u...>
> > Reply-To: cgs_synth@y...
> > To: cgs_synth@y...
> > Subject: [cgs_synth] Re: Front Panels
> > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 23:57:18 -0000
> >
> > In order to protect the guilty, I was looking at working with
some
> > folks that are already doing custom MOTM panels. Then can do
panels
> > for anyone, but do not wish to create conflicts with the actual
MOTM
> > product line (very wise on their part I think). They normally do
> not
> > drill the panels, but they do have the centering marks to punch
then
> > drill your own (handy if you don't want to use MOTM jacks or
pots).
> > One of the issues with this method is that quantity counts.
Doing
> > only one of a panel costs a bundle. I don't know what the
Schaeffer
> > panels cost, but to they have the same 'look' as the MOTM's? If
we
> > could get 5 or 6, or more, of the same panel, then the cost gets
> > reasonable. If we could get 5 or 6, or more, of 3 different
panels,
> > then we could probably get a complete production run scheduled
when
> we
> > wanted it. (The silk screening masters support 3 panels at a
time.)
> > If you would like to see some of the finished products, let me
know
> > and I'll send the web site for the existing products via private
> > e-mail. These guys are really nice (I've bought from one of them
on
> > several occasions) and I sure don't want to mess up their
> relationship
> > with MOTM. OTOH, some of Ken's designs are NOT competing with
MOTM
> > and, if there was a demand, they might do the do the panels
outright
> > and make then available independently. They do their layouts
using
> > Corel Draw, and can work from our masters or create one based on
an
> > idea, or use ours directly if it is clean.
> >
> > Larry Troth
> >
> > --- In cgs_synth@y..., "Thom Somneevich" <thom_s4@h...> wrote:
> > > Who are you going to use for the frontpanels? I like the idea
of
> > using
> > > Schaeffer because I know the software and don't have to worry
> about
> > cutting
> > > the metal and getting the mounting holes right on, but it
seems
> kind
> > of
> > > wasteful to ship it all the way from Germany. If you have
someone
> > stateside,
> > > that would be cool. I'd be willing to design some. I have the
> dual
> > > psycho-lfo in the files section (schaeffer file).
> > >
> > > To keep cost down and be able to fit the larger rotary-switch
> boards
> > in the
> > > MOTM/Oakley format, you could add more to the module. For the
> burst
> > > generator, for example, you could make it 2u wide and add
mults,
> or
> > edge
> > > another board in there -- a psycho lfo (for some crazy
clocking?)
> or
> > a dc
> > > mixer or something from efm or oakley. Make sure the cgs board
is
> on
> > the
> > > right so that any overlap can still fit in the open space on
the
> > left in the
> > > adjoining MOTM board -- to make the rotary switch properly
> aligned,
> > there
> > > will still be overlap on one side; mildly punk rock, but if
> you're
> > not
> > > opposed to that... :)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----Original Message Follows----
> > > From: sasami@b...
> > > Reply-To: cgs_synth@y...
> > > To: cgs_synth@y...
> > > Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Front Panels
> > > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:55:16 +1100 (EST)
> > >
> > > I think it is a good idea. At the time the form factor of the
> MOTM
> > modules
> > > was being discussed, I was also looking at what form factor to
> make
> > my own
> > > modules, and was involved in the discussion with Paul, along
with
> > other SDIY
> > > members. I came to a descision before Paul, and chose the Moog
> > format, with
> > > the exception that I used 1/8th jacks. I was expeting Paul
would
> > adopt the
> > > true moog form also, though instead he went with the slightly
> > narrower 1U
> > > format. He at least did go with the 5U height.
> > >
> > > Some of my panel designs would probably transport across
pretty
> > easilly,
> > > though of course I need less space for the jacks.
> > >
> > > Boards such as the burt generator may cause grief if trying to
> fit
> > it on a
> > > single 1U panel, as the PCB itself is the width of a moog
module.
> Of
> > course,
> > > if you are prepared to hand wire the switch , there will be no
> > problem.
> > >
> > > While a lot of my other boards are of the same width, it will
not
> be
> > an
> > > issue, as they can easilly be mounted at 90 degrees to the
panel.
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > > >Hi All
> > > >
> > > >What follows is a posting I did to the EFF Support group.
But
> the
> > > >same idea applies here. While Ken does not supply full
kits,
> > there is
> > > >still a need for front panels for the completed modules.
So,
> that
> > > >being said, is there any interest based on what follows?
> > > >
> > > >Since EFM supplies FracRack size blanks with their full
kits, I
> > was
> > > >curious if anyone else was interested in making panels that
> would
> > be
> > > >compatible with the MOTM format? I have several MOTM kits,
and
> > expect
> > > >to be getting more. Rather than messing with two different
> panel
> > > >sizes, and patch cord multiples/format converters, I was
> thinking
> > of
> > > >makeing MOTM compatible panels. If there is any interest,
> maybe
> > some
> > > >of you would like to help me do the layouts? I have done a
> little
> > > >research and there are sources we could piggyback on to get
the
> > panels
> > > >made professionally if there is enough interest. Panels
would
> > probaly
> > > >end up around USD25 to USD35 each. If we could make 5-10 of
a
> > single
> > > >design, and 3 different designs (i.e. production run of 15
to
> 30
> > > >panels total). As with most issues of this type, the major
> costs
> > are
> > > >in the setup, so the more panels of the same design made,
the
> > lower
> > > >the cost per panel. Also, in the MOTM format, a normal
setup
> does
> > 3
> > > >different designs in a single silk screen master.
> > > >
> > > >BTW, the intent here is NOT to start a flame war, but to see
if
> > there
> > > >is some interest in this panel size as a common format. I
find
> > that I
> > > >get the most use out of systems that have mixed sources. I
am
> > also
> > > >working on some CGS PCB's and I will be looking at the
> possibility
> > of
> > > >MOTM format panels for them as well.
> > > >
> > > >Thanks all, and I'll look forward to hearing from you. If
you
> > wish to
> > > >reply off-list, please feel free to e-mail me: ltroth@s...
> > > >Otherwise, I look forward to seeing how this discussion
evolves
> on
> > the
> > > >list.
> > > >
> > > >Larry Troth
> > >
> > >
> >
>
______________________________________________________________________
> > _
> > > Ken Stone sasami@b...
> > > Modular Synth PCBs for sale
> <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
> > > Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies
> > <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
> > >
> > >
> > >
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>
> Who are you going to use for the frontpanels? I like the idea of using
>
> Schaeffer because I know the software and don't have to worry about
> cutting
> the metal and getting the mounting holes right on, but it seems kind
> of
> wasteful to ship it all the way from Germany. If you have someone
> stateside,
> that would be cool. I'd be willing to design some. I have the dual
> psycho-lfo in the files section (schaeffer file).
>
> To keep cost down and be able to fit the larger rotary-switch boards
> in the
> MOTM/Oakley format, you could add more to the module. For the burst
> generator, for example, you could make it 2u wide and add mults, or
> edge
> another board in there -- a psycho lfo (for some crazy clocking?) or a
> dc
> mixer or something from efm or oakley. Make sure the cgs board is on
> the
> right so that any overlap can still fit in the open space on the left
> in the
> adjoining MOTM board -- to make the rotary switch properly aligned,
> there
> will still be overlap on one side; mildly punk rock, but if you're not
>
> opposed to that... :)
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: sasami@...
> Reply-To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
> To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Front Panels
> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:55:16 +1100 (EST)
>
> I think it is a good idea. At the time the form factor of the MOTM
> modules
> was being discussed, I was also looking at what form factor to make my
> own
> modules, and was involved in the discussion with Paul, along with
> other SDIY
> members. I came to a descision before Paul, and chose the Moog format,
> with
> the exception that I used 1/8th jacks. I was expeting Paul would adopt
> the
> true moog form also, though instead he went with the slightly narrower
> 1U
> format. He at least did go with the 5U height.
>
> Some of my panel designs would probably transport across pretty
> easilly,
> though of course I need less space for the jacks.
>
> Boards such as the burt generator may cause grief if trying to fit it
> on a
> single 1U panel, as the PCB itself is the width of a moog module. Of
> course,
> if you are prepared to hand wire the switch , there will be no
> problem.
>
> While a lot of my other boards are of the same width, it will not be
> an
> issue, as they can easilly be mounted at 90 degrees to the panel.
>
> Ken
>
> >Hi All
> >
> >What follows is a posting I did to the EFF Support group. But the
> >same idea applies here. While Ken does not supply full kits, there
> is
> >still a need for front panels for the completed modules. So, that
> >being said, is there any interest based on what follows?
> >
> >Since EFM supplies FracRack size blanks with their full kits, I was
> >curious if anyone else was interested in making panels that would be
> >compatible with the MOTM format? I have several MOTM kits, and
> expect
> >to be getting more. Rather than messing with two different panel
> >sizes, and patch cord multiples/format converters, I was thinking of
> >makeing MOTM compatible panels. If there is any interest, maybe some
> >of you would like to help me do the layouts? I have done a little
> >research and there are sources we could piggyback on to get the
> panels
> >made professionally if there is enough interest. Panels would
> probaly
> >end up around USD25 to USD35 each. If we could make 5-10 of a single
> >design, and 3 different designs (i.e. production run of 15 to 30
> >panels total). As with most issues of this type, the major costs are
> >in the setup, so the more panels of the same design made, the lower
> >the cost per panel. Also, in the MOTM format, a normal setup does 3
> >different designs in a single silk screen master.
> >
> >BTW, the intent here is NOT to start a flame war, but to see if there
> >is some interest in this panel size as a common format. I find that
> I
> >get the most use out of systems that have mixed sources. I am also
> >working on some CGS PCB's and I will be looking at the possibility of
> >MOTM format panels for them as well.
> >
> >Thanks all, and I'll look forward to hearing from you. If you wish
> to
> >reply off-list, please feel free to e-mail me: ltroth@...
> >Otherwise, I look forward to seeing how this discussion evolves on
> the
> >list.
> >
> >Larry Troth
>
> _______________________________________________________________________
> Ken Stone sasami@...
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> Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies
> <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
>
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>
> Who are you going to use for the frontpanels? I like the idea of using
>
> Schaeffer because I know the software and don't have to worry about
> cutting
> the metal and getting the mounting holes right on, but it seems kind
> of
> wasteful to ship it all the way from Germany. If you have someone
> stateside,
> that would be cool. I'd be willing to design some. I have the dual
> psycho-lfo in the files section (schaeffer file).
>
> To keep cost down and be able to fit the larger rotary-switch boards
> in the
> MOTM/Oakley format, you could add more to the module. For the burst
> generator, for example, you could make it 2u wide and add mults, or
> edge
> another board in there -- a psycho lfo (for some crazy clocking?) or a
> dc
> mixer or something from efm or oakley. Make sure the cgs board is on
> the
> right so that any overlap can still fit in the open space on the left
> in the
> adjoining MOTM board -- to make the rotary switch properly aligned,
> there
> will still be overlap on one side; mildly punk rock, but if you're not
>
> opposed to that... :)
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: sasami@...
> Reply-To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
> To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Front Panels
> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:55:16 +1100 (EST)
>
> I think it is a good idea. At the time the form factor of the MOTM
> modules
> was being discussed, I was also looking at what form factor to make my
> own
> modules, and was involved in the discussion with Paul, along with
> other SDIY
> members. I came to a descision before Paul, and chose the Moog format,
> with
> the exception that I used 1/8th jacks. I was expeting Paul would adopt
> the
> true moog form also, though instead he went with the slightly narrower
> 1U
> format. He at least did go with the 5U height.
>
> Some of my panel designs would probably transport across pretty
> easilly,
> though of course I need less space for the jacks.
>
> Boards such as the burt generator may cause grief if trying to fit it
> on a
> single 1U panel, as the PCB itself is the width of a moog module. Of
> course,
> if you are prepared to hand wire the switch , there will be no
> problem.
>
> While a lot of my other boards are of the same width, it will not be
> an
> issue, as they can easilly be mounted at 90 degrees to the panel.
>
> Ken
>
> >Hi All
> >
> >What follows is a posting I did to the EFF Support group. But the
> >same idea applies here. While Ken does not supply full kits, there
> is
> >still a need for front panels for the completed modules. So, that
> >being said, is there any interest based on what follows?
> >
> >Since EFM supplies FracRack size blanks with their full kits, I was
> >curious if anyone else was interested in making panels that would be
> >compatible with the MOTM format? I have several MOTM kits, and
> expect
> >to be getting more. Rather than messing with two different panel
> >sizes, and patch cord multiples/format converters, I was thinking of
> >makeing MOTM compatible panels. If there is any interest, maybe some
> >of you would like to help me do the layouts? I have done a little
> >research and there are sources we could piggyback on to get the
> panels
> >made professionally if there is enough interest. Panels would
> probaly
> >end up around USD25 to USD35 each. If we could make 5-10 of a single
> >design, and 3 different designs (i.e. production run of 15 to 30
> >panels total). As with most issues of this type, the major costs are
> >in the setup, so the more panels of the same design made, the lower
> >the cost per panel. Also, in the MOTM format, a normal setup does 3
> >different designs in a single silk screen master.
> >
> >BTW, the intent here is NOT to start a flame war, but to see if there
> >is some interest in this panel size as a common format. I find that
> I
> >get the most use out of systems that have mixed sources. I am also
> >working on some CGS PCB's and I will be looking at the possibility of
> >MOTM format panels for them as well.
> >
> >Thanks all, and I'll look forward to hearing from you. If you wish
> to
> >reply off-list, please feel free to e-mail me: ltroth@...
> >Otherwise, I look forward to seeing how this discussion evolves on
> the
> >list.
> >
> >Larry Troth
>
> _______________________________________________________________________
> Ken Stone sasami@...
> Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
> Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies
> <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
>
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--- In cgs_synth@y..., "Thom Somneevich" <thom_s4@h...> wrote:
>
> How much do they charge for shipping? Are you in the US?
> I think the Stooge panels look better, from the pics.
>
> Larry/Gino:
> Will the Stooges do anything you design or do they just do limited
runs of
> Dark Star designs, for example?
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: J G Wong <adaaxs@e...>
> Reply-To: cgs_synth@y...
> To: cgs_synth@y...
> Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Front Panels
> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:25:48 -0500
>
> I have been buying shaeffer panels and stooge panels and had some
> fabricated elsewhere and it turns out that the shaeffer panels are a
> pretty good deal esp at the current exchange rate.
>
> g wong
>
> Thom Somneevich wrote:
> >
> > Who are you going to use for the frontpanels? I like the idea of
using
> >
> > Schaeffer because I know the software and don't have to worry
about
> > cutting
> > the metal and getting the mounting holes right on, but it seems
kind
> > of
> > wasteful to ship it all the way from Germany. If you have someone
> > stateside,
> > that would be cool. I'd be willing to design some. I have the
dual
> > psycho-lfo in the files section (schaeffer file).
> >
> > To keep cost down and be able to fit the larger rotary-switch
boards
> > in the
> > MOTM/Oakley format, you could add more to the module. For the
burst
> > generator, for example, you could make it 2u wide and add mults,
or
> > edge
> > another board in there -- a psycho lfo (for some crazy clocking?)
or a
> > dc
> > mixer or something from efm or oakley. Make sure the cgs board is
on
> > the
> > right so that any overlap can still fit in the open space on the
left
> > in the
> > adjoining MOTM board -- to make the rotary switch properly
aligned,
> > there
> > will still be overlap on one side; mildly punk rock, but if
you're not
> >
> > opposed to that... :)
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: sasami@b...
> > Reply-To: cgs_synth@y...
> > To: cgs_synth@y...
> > Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Front Panels
> > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:55:16 +1100 (EST)
> >
> > I think it is a good idea. At the time the form factor of the
MOTM
> > modules
> > was being discussed, I was also looking at what form factor to
make my
> > own
> > modules, and was involved in the discussion with Paul, along with
> > other SDIY
> > members. I came to a descision before Paul, and chose the Moog
format,
> > with
> > the exception that I used 1/8th jacks. I was expeting Paul would
adopt
> > the
> > true moog form also, though instead he went with the slightly
narrower
> > 1U
> > format. He at least did go with the 5U height.
> >
> > Some of my panel designs would probably transport across pretty
> > easilly,
> > though of course I need less space for the jacks.
> >
> > Boards such as the burt generator may cause grief if trying to
fit it
> > on a
> > single 1U panel, as the PCB itself is the width of a moog module.
Of
> > course,
> > if you are prepared to hand wire the switch , there will be no
> > problem.
> >
> > While a lot of my other boards are of the same width, it will not
be
> > an
> > issue, as they can easilly be mounted at 90 degrees to the panel.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > >Hi All
> > >
> > >What follows is a posting I did to the EFF Support group. But
the
> > >same idea applies here. While Ken does not supply full kits,
there
> > is
> > >still a need for front panels for the completed modules. So,
that
> > >being said, is there any interest based on what follows?
> > >
> > >Since EFM supplies FracRack size blanks with their full kits, I
was
> > >curious if anyone else was interested in making panels that
would be
> > >compatible with the MOTM format? I have several MOTM kits, and
> > expect
> > >to be getting more. Rather than messing with two different
panel
> > >sizes, and patch cord multiples/format converters, I was
thinking of
> > >makeing MOTM compatible panels. If there is any interest, maybe
some
> > >of you would like to help me do the layouts? I have done a
little
> > >research and there are sources we could piggyback on to get the
> > panels
> > >made professionally if there is enough interest. Panels would
> > probaly
> > >end up around USD25 to USD35 each. If we could make 5-10 of a
single
> > >design, and 3 different designs (i.e. production run of 15 to 30
> > >panels total). As with most issues of this type, the major
costs are
> > >in the setup, so the more panels of the same design made, the
lower
> > >the cost per panel. Also, in the MOTM format, a normal setup
does 3
> > >different designs in a single silk screen master.
> > >
> > >BTW, the intent here is NOT to start a flame war, but to see if
there
> > >is some interest in this panel size as a common format. I find
that
> > I
> > >get the most use out of systems that have mixed sources. I am
also
> > >working on some CGS PCB's and I will be looking at the
possibility of
> > >MOTM format panels for them as well.
> > >
> > >Thanks all, and I'll look forward to hearing from you. If you
wish
> > to
> > >reply off-list, please feel free to e-mail me: ltroth@s...
> > >Otherwise, I look forward to seeing how this discussion evolves
on
> > the
> > >list.
> > >
> > >Larry Troth
> >
> >
______________________________________________________________________
_
> > Ken Stone sasami@b...
> > Modular Synth PCBs for sale
<http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
> > Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies
> > <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
> >
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> >
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>
> The Stooges will do anything. But the cost per panel is very high in
> single quantities. As the quantity goes up, the unit cost goes down.
> That's why I was suggesting a common panel design for some of Ken's
> PCB's, and then get a group to order so we could make then affordable
> if we each only wanted one or two.
>
> Larry Troth
>
> --- In cgs_synth@y..., "Thom Somneevich" <thom_s4@h...> wrote:
> >
> > How much do they charge for shipping? Are you in the US?
> > I think the Stooge panels look better, from the pics.
> >
> > Larry/Gino:
> > Will the Stooges do anything you design or do they just do limited
> runs of
> > Dark Star designs, for example?
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: J G Wong <adaaxs@e...>
> > Reply-To: cgs_synth@y...
> > To: cgs_synth@y...
> > Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Front Panels
> > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:25:48 -0500
> >
> > I have been buying shaeffer panels and stooge panels and had some
> > fabricated elsewhere and it turns out that the shaeffer panels are a
> > pretty good deal esp at the current exchange rate.
> >
> > g wong
> >
> > Thom Somneevich wrote:
> > >
> > > Who are you going to use for the frontpanels? I like the idea of
> using
> > >
> > > Schaeffer because I know the software and don't have to worry
> about
> > > cutting
> > > the metal and getting the mounting holes right on, but it seems
> kind
> > > of
> > > wasteful to ship it all the way from Germany. If you have someone
> > > stateside,
> > > that would be cool. I'd be willing to design some. I have the
> dual
> > > psycho-lfo in the files section (schaeffer file).
> > >
> > > To keep cost down and be able to fit the larger rotary-switch
> boards
> > > in the
> > > MOTM/Oakley format, you could add more to the module. For the
> burst
> > > generator, for example, you could make it 2u wide and add mults,
> or
> > > edge
> > > another board in there -- a psycho lfo (for some crazy clocking?)
>
> or a
> > > dc
> > > mixer or something from efm or oakley. Make sure the cgs board is
>
> on
> > > the
> > > right so that any overlap can still fit in the open space on the
> left
> > > in the
> > > adjoining MOTM board -- to make the rotary switch properly
> aligned,
> > > there
> > > will still be overlap on one side; mildly punk rock, but if
> you're not
> > >
> > > opposed to that... :)
> > >
> > > ----Original Message Follows----
> > > From: sasami@b...
> > > Reply-To: cgs_synth@y...
> > > To: cgs_synth@y...
> > > Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Front Panels
> > > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:55:16 +1100 (EST)
> > >
> > > I think it is a good idea. At the time the form factor of the
> MOTM
> > > modules
> > > was being discussed, I was also looking at what form factor to
> make my
> > > own
> > > modules, and was involved in the discussion with Paul, along with
> > > other SDIY
> > > members. I came to a descision before Paul, and chose the Moog
> format,
> > > with
> > > the exception that I used 1/8th jacks. I was expeting Paul would
> adopt
> > > the
> > > true moog form also, though instead he went with the slightly
> narrower
> > > 1U
> > > format. He at least did go with the 5U height.
> > >
> > > Some of my panel designs would probably transport across pretty
> > > easilly,
> > > though of course I need less space for the jacks.
> > >
> > > Boards such as the burt generator may cause grief if trying to
> fit it
> > > on a
> > > single 1U panel, as the PCB itself is the width of a moog module.
>
> Of
> > > course,
> > > if you are prepared to hand wire the switch , there will be no
> > > problem.
> > >
> > > While a lot of my other boards are of the same width, it will not
>
> be
> > > an
> > > issue, as they can easilly be mounted at 90 degrees to the panel.
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > > >Hi All
> > > >
> > > >What follows is a posting I did to the EFF Support group. But
> the
> > > >same idea applies here. While Ken does not supply full kits,
> there
> > > is
> > > >still a need for front panels for the completed modules. So,
> that
> > > >being said, is there any interest based on what follows?
> > > >
> > > >Since EFM supplies FracRack size blanks with their full kits, I
> was
> > > >curious if anyone else was interested in making panels that
> would be
> > > >compatible with the MOTM format? I have several MOTM kits, and
> > > expect
> > > >to be getting more. Rather than messing with two different
> panel
> > > >sizes, and patch cord multiples/format converters, I was
> thinking of
> > > >makeing MOTM compatible panels. If there is any interest, maybe
>
> some
> > > >of you would like to help me do the layouts? I have done a
> little
> > > >research and there are sources we could piggyback on to get the
> > > panels
> > > >made professionally if there is enough interest. Panels would
> > > probaly
> > > >end up around USD25 to USD35 each. If we could make 5-10 of a
> single
> > > >design, and 3 different designs (i.e. production run of 15 to 30
> > > >panels total). As with most issues of this type, the major
> costs are
> > > >in the setup, so the more panels of the same design made, the
> lower
> > > >the cost per panel. Also, in the MOTM format, a normal setup
> does 3
> > > >different designs in a single silk screen master.
> > > >
> > > >BTW, the intent here is NOT to start a flame war, but to see if
> there
> > > >is some interest in this panel size as a common format. I find
> that
> > > I
> > > >get the most use out of systems that have mixed sources. I am
> also
> > > >working on some CGS PCB's and I will be looking at the
> possibility of
> > > >MOTM format panels for them as well.
> > > >
> > > >Thanks all, and I'll look forward to hearing from you. If you
> wish
> > > to
> > > >reply off-list, please feel free to e-mail me: ltroth@s...
> > > >Otherwise, I look forward to seeing how this discussion evolves
> on
> > > the
> > > >list.
> > > >
> > > >Larry Troth
> > >
> > >
> ______________________________________________________________________
> _
> > > Ken Stone sasami@b...
> > > Modular Synth PCBs for sale
> <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
> > > Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies
> > > <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
> > >
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> > > http://198.164.142.50/~cgs/
> > > http://shokbox.obscure.ca/~cgs/
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>
> The Stooges will do anything. But the cost per panel is very high in
> single quantities. As the quantity goes up, the unit cost goes down.
> That's why I was suggesting a common panel design for some of Ken's
> PCB's, and then get a group to order so we could make then affordable
> if we each only wanted one or two.
>
> Larry Troth
>
> --- In cgs_synth@y..., "Thom Somneevich" <thom_s4@h...> wrote:
> >
> > How much do they charge for shipping? Are you in the US?
> > I think the Stooge panels look better, from the pics.
> >
> > Larry/Gino:
> > Will the Stooges do anything you design or do they just do limited
> runs of
> > Dark Star designs, for example?
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: J G Wong <adaaxs@e...>
> > Reply-To: cgs_synth@y...
> > To: cgs_synth@y...
> > Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Front Panels
> > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:25:48 -0500
> >
> > I have been buying shaeffer panels and stooge panels and had some
> > fabricated elsewhere and it turns out that the shaeffer panels are a
> > pretty good deal esp at the current exchange rate.
> >
> > g wong
> >
> > Thom Somneevich wrote:
> > >
> > > Who are you going to use for the frontpanels? I like the idea of
> using
> > >
> > > Schaeffer because I know the software and don't have to worry
> about
> > > cutting
> > > the metal and getting the mounting holes right on, but it seems
> kind
> > > of
> > > wasteful to ship it all the way from Germany. If you have someone
> > > stateside,
> > > that would be cool. I'd be willing to design some. I have the
> dual
> > > psycho-lfo in the files section (schaeffer file).
> > >
> > > To keep cost down and be able to fit the larger rotary-switch
> boards
> > > in the
> > > MOTM/Oakley format, you could add more to the module. For the
> burst
> > > generator, for example, you could make it 2u wide and add mults,
> or
> > > edge
> > > another board in there -- a psycho lfo (for some crazy clocking?)
>
> or a
> > > dc
> > > mixer or something from efm or oakley. Make sure the cgs board is
>
> on
> > > the
> > > right so that any overlap can still fit in the open space on the
> left
> > > in the
> > > adjoining MOTM board -- to make the rotary switch properly
> aligned,
> > > there
> > > will still be overlap on one side; mildly punk rock, but if
> you're not
> > >
> > > opposed to that... :)
> > >
> > > ----Original Message Follows----
> > > From: sasami@b...
> > > Reply-To: cgs_synth@y...
> > > To: cgs_synth@y...
> > > Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Front Panels
> > > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:55:16 +1100 (EST)
> > >
> > > I think it is a good idea. At the time the form factor of the
> MOTM
> > > modules
> > > was being discussed, I was also looking at what form factor to
> make my
> > > own
> > > modules, and was involved in the discussion with Paul, along with
> > > other SDIY
> > > members. I came to a descision before Paul, and chose the Moog
> format,
> > > with
> > > the exception that I used 1/8th jacks. I was expeting Paul would
> adopt
> > > the
> > > true moog form also, though instead he went with the slightly
> narrower
> > > 1U
> > > format. He at least did go with the 5U height.
> > >
> > > Some of my panel designs would probably transport across pretty
> > > easilly,
> > > though of course I need less space for the jacks.
> > >
> > > Boards such as the burt generator may cause grief if trying to
> fit it
> > > on a
> > > single 1U panel, as the PCB itself is the width of a moog module.
>
> Of
> > > course,
> > > if you are prepared to hand wire the switch , there will be no
> > > problem.
> > >
> > > While a lot of my other boards are of the same width, it will not
>
> be
> > > an
> > > issue, as they can easilly be mounted at 90 degrees to the panel.
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > > >Hi All
> > > >
> > > >What follows is a posting I did to the EFF Support group. But
> the
> > > >same idea applies here. While Ken does not supply full kits,
> there
> > > is
> > > >still a need for front panels for the completed modules. So,
> that
> > > >being said, is there any interest based on what follows?
> > > >
> > > >Since EFM supplies FracRack size blanks with their full kits, I
> was
> > > >curious if anyone else was interested in making panels that
> would be
> > > >compatible with the MOTM format? I have several MOTM kits, and
> > > expect
> > > >to be getting more. Rather than messing with two different
> panel
> > > >sizes, and patch cord multiples/format converters, I was
> thinking of
> > > >makeing MOTM compatible panels. If there is any interest, maybe
>
> some
> > > >of you would like to help me do the layouts? I have done a
> little
> > > >research and there are sources we could piggyback on to get the
> > > panels
> > > >made professionally if there is enough interest. Panels would
> > > probaly
> > > >end up around USD25 to USD35 each. If we could make 5-10 of a
> single
> > > >design, and 3 different designs (i.e. production run of 15 to 30
> > > >panels total). As with most issues of this type, the major
> costs are
> > > >in the setup, so the more panels of the same design made, the
> lower
> > > >the cost per panel. Also, in the MOTM format, a normal setup
> does 3
> > > >different designs in a single silk screen master.
> > > >
> > > >BTW, the intent here is NOT to start a flame war, but to see if
> there
> > > >is some interest in this panel size as a common format. I find
> that
> > > I
> > > >get the most use out of systems that have mixed sources. I am
> also
> > > >working on some CGS PCB's and I will be looking at the
> possibility of
> > > >MOTM format panels for them as well.
> > > >
> > > >Thanks all, and I'll look forward to hearing from you. If you
> wish
> > > to
> > > >reply off-list, please feel free to e-mail me: ltroth@s...
> > > >Otherwise, I look forward to seeing how this discussion evolves
> on
> > > the
> > > >list.
> > > >
> > > >Larry Troth
> > >
> > >
> ______________________________________________________________________
> _
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>
> Ouch. Well, I'm going to order a couple panels from Schaeffer to see
> if I
> got it right on the design tip. Shipping is ~$22 for <5kg, which isn't
> too
> bad, and I've got to get quite a few, so...
>
> I'm going to get a least a Dual Psycho LFO, Oakley wavefolder, VCO and
>
> triple EG. Buy 5 of any one design and get 10% off their cost. Anyone
> interested? I'll be getting another batch after the holidays, so maybe
> we
> can order together and save some money -- ? (I'm a baker. We're
> talking
> poverty-line here :)
>
> If the dual psycho looks good, I'll try designing a dual 2u CGS
> Wavetable.
> That way we can have one of each rom in one handy-dandy panel :)
> Ken -- what are the dimensions going to be on the display? Will we be
> able
> to fit two on one panel?
> Any preferences on pushbutton styles?
>
> thom
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: J G Wong <adaaxs@...>
> Reply-To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
> To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Re: Front Panels
> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:42:24 -0500
>
> The last time I ordered stooge panels it took almost four months
> compared to four days from shaeffer. It screwed me up so bad I had to
> shelve my Oakley vcos because I couldn't schedule build time, that is
> not cool. I paid them to drill them and they drilled them off center,
> Well done though. If I could get a domestic panel that delivers or
> not
> when they say and doesn't cost more than a german panel, count me in.
> I
> really want some wavetable panels, I've got 6 rev 1 boards and would
> love to have a couple of matching pairs.
>
> How's that display board coming Ken ?
>
> gino
>

>
> Ouch. Well, I'm going to order a couple panels from Schaeffer to see
> if I
> got it right on the design tip. Shipping is ~$22 for <5kg, which isn't
> too
> bad, and I've got to get quite a few, so...
>
> I'm going to get a least a Dual Psycho LFO, Oakley wavefolder, VCO and
>
> triple EG. Buy 5 of any one design and get 10% off their cost. Anyone
> interested? I'll be getting another batch after the holidays, so maybe
> we
> can order together and save some money -- ? (I'm a baker. We're
> talking
> poverty-line here :)
>
> If the dual psycho looks good, I'll try designing a dual 2u CGS
> Wavetable.
> That way we can have one of each rom in one handy-dandy panel :)
> Ken -- what are the dimensions going to be on the display? Will we be
> able
> to fit two on one panel?
> Any preferences on pushbutton styles?
>
> thom
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: J G Wong <adaaxs@...>
> Reply-To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
> To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Re: Front Panels
> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:42:24 -0500
>
> The last time I ordered stooge panels it took almost four months
> compared to four days from shaeffer. It screwed me up so bad I had to
> shelve my Oakley vcos because I couldn't schedule build time, that is
> not cool. I paid them to drill them and they drilled them off center,
> Well done though. If I could get a domestic panel that delivers or
> not
> when they say and doesn't cost more than a german panel, count me in.
> I
> really want some wavetable panels, I've got 6 rev 1 boards and would
> love to have a couple of matching pairs.
>
> How's that display board coming Ken ?
>
> gino
>

>
> I didn't think you were dissing them, just telling what happened. I
> like the
> Stooges too, but it's good to know what you know, ya know?
>
> I'm not that good at electronics. How would you wire up the pot? I
> don't
> even see where to wire the switches in the schematic, now that I look.
> The
> bank and wave advances need a pulse, right? And are you talking about
> wiring
> a pot up to advance two Wavebanks in tandem? I would definitely prefer
> a
> pot, but can't wrap my brain around how to do it.
>
> A _Triple_ Psycho? You're scaring me! But it would be super easy to
> do.
>
> Thanks,
> thom
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: J G Wong <adaaxs@...>
> Reply-To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
> To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Re: Front Panels
> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 01:53:56 -0500
>
> I realise I sounded like I was dissing the stooges. I apologise if it
> seems so. I will continue to buy their beautiful work, including
> their,
> pcbs, panels and flat rails. The only place to get them.
>
> I think a switch or a pot (pot preferred) would be better than a push
> button on a dual wavetable module for my use a button will get used
> too
> much and I would be largely using a match paired table setting with
> detuning on the vcos classic technique stuff.
>
> The dual / triple module configuration is the way to go. I opened you
> dual Psycho lfo and it looks good. Lookslike it could make a nice
> triple.
>
> You can talk to those guys at shaeffer they speak english (email, you
> know) and they will give you feedback and can compare panel specs
> before
> fabrication.
>
> gino
>
> Thom Somneevich wrote:
> >
> > Ouch. Well, I'm going to order a couple panels from Schaeffer to see
> > if I
> > got it right on the design tip. Shipping is ~$22 for <5kg, which
> isn't
> > too
> > bad, and I've got to get quite a few, so...
> >
> > I'm going to get a least a Dual Psycho LFO, Oakley wavefolder, VCO
> and
> >
> > triple EG. Buy 5 of any one design and get 10% off their cost.
> Anyone
> > interested? I'll be getting another batch after the holidays, so
> maybe
> > we
> > can order together and save some money -- ? (I'm a baker. We're
> > talking
> > poverty-line here :)
> >
> > If the dual psycho looks good, I'll try designing a dual 2u CGS
> > Wavetable.
> > That way we can have one of each rom in one handy-dandy panel :)
> > Ken -- what are the dimensions going to be on the display? Will we
> be
> > able
> > to fit two on one panel?
> > Any preferences on pushbutton styles?
> >
> > thom
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: J G Wong <adaaxs@...>
> > Reply-To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
> > To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Re: Front Panels
> > Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:42:24 -0500
> >
> > The last time I ordered stooge panels it took almost four months
> > compared to four days from shaeffer. It screwed me up so bad I had
> to
> > shelve my Oakley vcos because I couldn't schedule build time, that
> is
> > not cool. I paid them to drill them and they drilled them off
> center,
> > Well done though. If I could get a domestic panel that delivers or
> > not
> > when they say and doesn't cost more than a german panel, count me
> in.
> > I
> > really want some wavetable panels, I've got 6 rev 1 boards and
> would
> > love to have a couple of matching pairs.
> >
> > How's that display board coming Ken ?
> >
> > gino
> >
>
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>Ken -- what are the dimensions going to be on the display? Will we be able
>to fit two on one panel?
>Any preferences on pushbutton styles?

>
> I didn't think you were dissing them, just telling what happened. I
> like the
> Stooges too, but it's good to know what you know, ya know?
>
> I'm not that good at electronics. How would you wire up the pot? I
> don't
> even see where to wire the switches in the schematic, now that I look.
> The
> bank and wave advances need a pulse, right? And are you talking about
> wiring
> a pot up to advance two Wavebanks in tandem? I would definitely prefer
> a
> pot, but can't wrap my brain around how to do it.
>
> A _Triple_ Psycho? You're scaring me! But it would be super easy to
> do.
>
> Thanks,
> thom
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: J G Wong <adaaxs@...>
> Reply-To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
> To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Re: Front Panels
> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 01:53:56 -0500
>
> I realise I sounded like I was dissing the stooges. I apologise if it
> seems so. I will continue to buy their beautiful work, including
> their,
> pcbs, panels and flat rails. The only place to get them.
>
> I think a switch or a pot (pot preferred) would be better than a push
> button on a dual wavetable module for my use a button will get used
> too
> much and I would be largely using a match paired table setting with
> detuning on the vcos classic technique stuff.
>
> The dual / triple module configuration is the way to go. I opened you
> dual Psycho lfo and it looks good. Lookslike it could make a nice
> triple.
>
> You can talk to those guys at shaeffer they speak english (email, you
> know) and they will give you feedback and can compare panel specs
> before
> fabrication.
>
> gino
>
> Thom Somneevich wrote:
> >
> > Ouch. Well, I'm going to order a couple panels from Schaeffer to see
> > if I
> > got it right on the design tip. Shipping is ~$22 for <5kg, which
> isn't
> > too
> > bad, and I've got to get quite a few, so...
> >
> > I'm going to get a least a Dual Psycho LFO, Oakley wavefolder, VCO
> and
> >
> > triple EG. Buy 5 of any one design and get 10% off their cost.
> Anyone
> > interested? I'll be getting another batch after the holidays, so
> maybe
> > we
> > can order together and save some money -- ? (I'm a baker. We're
> > talking
> > poverty-line here :)
> >
> > If the dual psycho looks good, I'll try designing a dual 2u CGS
> > Wavetable.
> > That way we can have one of each rom in one handy-dandy panel :)
> > Ken -- what are the dimensions going to be on the display? Will we
> be
> > able
> > to fit two on one panel?
> > Any preferences on pushbutton styles?
> >
> > thom
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: J G Wong <adaaxs@...>
> > Reply-To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
> > To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Re: Front Panels
> > Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:42:24 -0500
> >
> > The last time I ordered stooge panels it took almost four months
> > compared to four days from shaeffer. It screwed me up so bad I had
> to
> > shelve my Oakley vcos because I couldn't schedule build time, that
> is
> > not cool. I paid them to drill them and they drilled them off
> center,
> > Well done though. If I could get a domestic panel that delivers or
> > not
> > when they say and doesn't cost more than a german panel, count me
> in.
> > I
> > really want some wavetable panels, I've got 6 rev 1 boards and
> would
> > love to have a couple of matching pairs.
> >
> > How's that display board coming Ken ?
> >
> > gino
> >
>
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>
> And if you can figure out the pot, you should be able to figure out
> how to
> cv it. Then you could share the schem...?

>
> I tried to figure out how to do it from studying the MiniWave schem,
> but the
> different chips are being interfaced/clocked differently, and I
> scratched
> another bald spot onto my head.

>
> thom
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: J G Wong <adaaxs@...>
> Reply-To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
> To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Re: Front Panels
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 00:37:19 -0500
>
> The Wiard Mini wave uses a pot to advance waveforms and on the fly it
> could get you where you are going quick. It does need a pulse but it
> would probably be pretty easy to get a stepped encoder to do the
> trick.
> As surplus these days really high quality components could be had. I
> think as a user, a pot (encoder) or a random acces keypad (which I
> would hate) would be the best choices. Using a modular synthesizer
> can
> be very tedious, a desk job and whacking on a membrane or a switch to
> advance to one of 128 or so waveforms is going to wear out the finish
> on
> the panel and be real hard on the the mechanics of the unit . I would
> leave the modules as single devices since each has to be paired with a
> vco. Most of the time I think I will use it in pairs or threes like
> most of my other vcos.
>
> gino
>
> Thom Somneevich wrote:
> >
> > I didn't think you were dissing them, just telling what happened. I
> > like the
> > Stooges too, but it's good to know what you know, ya know?
> >
> > I'm not that good at electronics. How would you wire up the pot? I
> > don't
> > even see where to wire the switches in the schematic, now that I
> look.
> > The
> > bank and wave advances need a pulse, right? And are you talking
> about
> > wiring
> > a pot up to advance two Wavebanks in tandem? I would definitely
> prefer
> > a
> > pot, but can't wrap my brain around how to do it.
> >
> > A _Triple_ Psycho? You're scaring me! But it would be super easy to
> > do.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > thom
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: J G Wong <adaaxs@...>
> > Reply-To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
> > To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Re: Front Panels
> > Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 01:53:56 -0500
> >
> > I realise I sounded like I was dissing the stooges. I apologise if
> it
> > seems so. I will continue to buy their beautiful work, including
> > their,
> > pcbs, panels and flat rails. The only place to get them.
> >
> > I think a switch or a pot (pot preferred) would be better than a
> push
> > button on a dual wavetable module for my use a button will get used
> > too
> > much and I would be largely using a match paired table setting with
> > detuning on the vcos classic technique stuff.
> >
> > The dual / triple module configuration is the way to go. I opened
> you
> > dual Psycho lfo and it looks good. Lookslike it could make a nice
> > triple.
> >
> > You can talk to those guys at shaeffer they speak english (email,
> you
> > know) and they will give you feedback and can compare panel specs
> > before
> > fabrication.
> >
> > gino
> >
> > Thom Somneevich wrote:
> > >
> > > Ouch. Well, I'm going to order a couple panels from Schaeffer to
> see
> > > if I
> > > got it right on the design tip. Shipping is ~$22 for <5kg, which
> > isn't
> > > too
> > > bad, and I've got to get quite a few, so...
> > >
> > > I'm going to get a least a Dual Psycho LFO, Oakley wavefolder, VCO
> > and
> > >
> > > triple EG. Buy 5 of any one design and get 10% off their cost.
> > Anyone
> > > interested? I'll be getting another batch after the holidays, so
> > maybe
> > > we
> > > can order together and save some money -- ? (I'm a baker. We're
> > > talking
> > > poverty-line here :)
> > >
> > > If the dual psycho looks good, I'll try designing a dual 2u CGS
> > > Wavetable.
> > > That way we can have one of each rom in one handy-dandy panel :)
> > > Ken -- what are the dimensions going to be on the display? Will we
> > be
> > > able
> > > to fit two on one panel?
> > > Any preferences on pushbutton styles?
> > >
> > > thom
> > >
> > > ----Original Message Follows----
> > > From: J G Wong <adaaxs@...>
> > > Reply-To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
> > > To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Re: Front Panels
> > > Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:42:24 -0500
> > >
> > > The last time I ordered stooge panels it took almost four months
> > > compared to four days from shaeffer. It screwed me up so bad I had
> > to
> > > shelve my Oakley vcos because I couldn't schedule build time, that
> > is
> > > not cool. I paid them to drill them and they drilled them off
> > center,
> > > Well done though. If I could get a domestic panel that delivers
> or
> > > not
> > > when they say and doesn't cost more than a german panel, count me
> > in.
> > > I
> > > really want some wavetable panels, I've got 6 rev 1 boards and
> > would
> > > love to have a couple of matching pairs.
> > >
> > > How's that display board coming Ken ?
> > >
> > > gino
> > >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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>The Wiard Mini wave uses a pot to advance waveforms and on the fly it
>could get you where you are going quick. It does need a pulse but it
>would probably be pretty easy to get a stepped encoder to do the trick.
>As surplus these days really high quality components could be had. I
>think as a user, a pot (encoder) or a random acces keypad (which I
>would hate) would be the best choices. Using a modular synthesizer can
>be very tedious, a desk job and whacking on a membrane or a switch to
>advance to one of 128 or so waveforms is going to wear out the finish on
>the panel and be real hard on the the mechanics of the unit . I would
>leave the modules as single devices since each has to be paired with a
>vco. Most of the time I think I will use it in pairs or threes like
>most of my other vcos.
>
>
> gino
>
>Thom Somneevich wrote:
>>
>> I didn't think you were dissing them, just telling what happened. I
>> like the
>> Stooges too, but it's good to know what you know, ya know?
>>
>> I'm not that good at electronics. How would you wire up the pot? I
>> don't
>> even see where to wire the switches in the schematic, now that I look.
>> The
>> bank and wave advances need a pulse, right? And are you talking about
>> wiring
>> a pot up to advance two Wavebanks in tandem? I would definitely prefer
>> a
>> pot, but can't wrap my brain around how to do it.
>>
>> A _Triple_ Psycho? You're scaring me! But it would be super easy to
>> do.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> thom
>>
>> ----Original Message Follows----
>> From: J G Wong <adaaxs@...>
>> Reply-To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
>> To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Re: Front Panels
>> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 01:53:56 -0500
>>
>> I realise I sounded like I was dissing the stooges. I apologise if it
>> seems so. I will continue to buy their beautiful work, including
>> their,
>> pcbs, panels and flat rails. The only place to get them.
>>
>> I think a switch or a pot (pot preferred) would be better than a push
>> button on a dual wavetable module for my use a button will get used
>> too
>> much and I would be largely using a match paired table setting with
>> detuning on the vcos classic technique stuff.
>>
>> The dual / triple module configuration is the way to go. I opened you
>> dual Psycho lfo and it looks good. Lookslike it could make a nice
>> triple.
>>
>> You can talk to those guys at shaeffer they speak english (email, you
>> know) and they will give you feedback and can compare panel specs
>> before
>> fabrication.
>>
>> gino
>>
>> Thom Somneevich wrote:
>> >
>> > Ouch. Well, I'm going to order a couple panels from Schaeffer to see
>> > if I
>> > got it right on the design tip. Shipping is ~$22 for <5kg, which
>> isn't
>> > too
>> > bad, and I've got to get quite a few, so...
>> >
>> > I'm going to get a least a Dual Psycho LFO, Oakley wavefolder, VCO
>> and
>> >
>> > triple EG. Buy 5 of any one design and get 10% off their cost.
>> Anyone
>> > interested? I'll be getting another batch after the holidays, so
>> maybe
>> > we
>> > can order together and save some money -- ? (I'm a baker. We're
>> > talking
>> > poverty-line here :)
>> >
>> > If the dual psycho looks good, I'll try designing a dual 2u CGS
>> > Wavetable.
>> > That way we can have one of each rom in one handy-dandy panel :)
>> > Ken -- what are the dimensions going to be on the display? Will we
>> be
>> > able
>> > to fit two on one panel?
>> > Any preferences on pushbutton styles?
>> >
>> > thom
>> >
>> > ----Original Message Follows----
>> > From: J G Wong <adaaxs@...>
>> > Reply-To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
>> > To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Re: Front Panels
>> > Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:42:24 -0500
>> >
>> > The last time I ordered stooge panels it took almost four months
>> > compared to four days from shaeffer. It screwed me up so bad I had
>> to
>> > shelve my Oakley vcos because I couldn't schedule build time, that
>> is
>> > not cool. I paid them to drill them and they drilled them off
>> center,
>> > Well done though. If I could get a domestic panel that delivers or
>> > not
>> > when they say and doesn't cost more than a german panel, count me
>> in.
>> > I
>> > really want some wavetable panels, I've got 6 rev 1 boards and
>> would
>> > love to have a couple of matching pairs.
>> >
>> > How's that display board coming Ken ?
>> >
>> > gino
>> >
>>
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>
> There is something to say for the wavetable wave select as it stands
> too. As
> waves are grouped by tonal quality, advancing the wave in sync with a
> sequencer gives great tonal sequencing. Replace that with a a/d
> converter
> will pretty much kill that ability.
>
> Encoders would be great - if you replace the counter chips with
> up/down
> counters.
>
> Just some thoughts....
>
> Ken
>
> >The Wiard Mini wave uses a pot to advance waveforms and on the fly it
> >could get you where you are going quick. It does need a pulse but it
> >would probably be pretty easy to get a stepped encoder to do the
> trick.
> >As surplus these days really high quality components could be had. I
> >think as a user, a pot (encoder) or a random acces keypad (which I
> >would hate) would be the best choices. Using a modular synthesizer
> can
> >be very tedious, a desk job and whacking on a membrane or a switch to
> >advance to one of 128 or so waveforms is going to wear out the finish
> on
> >the panel and be real hard on the the mechanics of the unit . I
> would
> >leave the modules as single devices since each has to be paired with
> a
> >vco. Most of the time I think I will use it in pairs or threes like
> >most of my other vcos.
> >
> >
> > gino
> >
> >Thom Somneevich wrote:
> >>
> >> I didn't think you were dissing them, just telling what happened. I
> >> like the
> >> Stooges too, but it's good to know what you know, ya know?
> >>
> >> I'm not that good at electronics. How would you wire up the pot? I
> >> don't
> >> even see where to wire the switches in the schematic, now that I
> look.
> >> The
> >> bank and wave advances need a pulse, right? And are you talking
> about
> >> wiring
> >> a pot up to advance two Wavebanks in tandem? I would definitely
> prefer
> >> a
> >> pot, but can't wrap my brain around how to do it.
> >>
> >> A _Triple_ Psycho? You're scaring me! But it would be super easy to
> >> do.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> thom
> >>
> >> ----Original Message Follows----
> >> From: J G Wong <adaaxs@...>
> >> Reply-To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
> >> To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Re: Front Panels
> >> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 01:53:56 -0500
> >>
> >> I realise I sounded like I was dissing the stooges. I apologise if
> it
> >> seems so. I will continue to buy their beautiful work, including
> >> their,
> >> pcbs, panels and flat rails. The only place to get them.
> >>
> >> I think a switch or a pot (pot preferred) would be better than a
> push
> >> button on a dual wavetable module for my use a button will get used
> >> too
> >> much and I would be largely using a match paired table setting with
> >> detuning on the vcos classic technique stuff.
> >>
> >> The dual / triple module configuration is the way to go. I opened
> you
> >> dual Psycho lfo and it looks good. Lookslike it could make a nice
> >> triple.
> >>
> >> You can talk to those guys at shaeffer they speak english (email,
> you
> >> know) and they will give you feedback and can compare panel specs
> >> before
> >> fabrication.
> >>
> >> gino
> >>
> >> Thom Somneevich wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Ouch. Well, I'm going to order a couple panels from Schaeffer to
> see
> >> > if I
> >> > got it right on the design tip. Shipping is ~$22 for <5kg, which
> >> isn't
> >> > too
> >> > bad, and I've got to get quite a few, so...
> >> >
> >> > I'm going to get a least a Dual Psycho LFO, Oakley wavefolder,
> VCO
> >> and
> >> >
> >> > triple EG. Buy 5 of any one design and get 10% off their cost.
> >> Anyone
> >> > interested? I'll be getting another batch after the holidays, so
> >> maybe
> >> > we
> >> > can order together and save some money -- ? (I'm a baker. We're
> >> > talking
> >> > poverty-line here :)
> >> >
> >> > If the dual psycho looks good, I'll try designing a dual 2u CGS
> >> > Wavetable.
> >> > That way we can have one of each rom in one handy-dandy panel :)
> >> > Ken -- what are the dimensions going to be on the display? Will
> we
> >> be
> >> > able
> >> > to fit two on one panel?
> >> > Any preferences on pushbutton styles?
> >> >
> >> > thom
> >> >
> >> > ----Original Message Follows----
> >> > From: J G Wong <adaaxs@...>
> >> > Reply-To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
> >> > To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
> >> > Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Re: Front Panels
> >> > Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:42:24 -0500
> >> >
> >> > The last time I ordered stooge panels it took almost four months
> >> > compared to four days from shaeffer. It screwed me up so bad I
> had
> >> to
> >> > shelve my Oakley vcos because I couldn't schedule build time,
> that
> >> is
> >> > not cool. I paid them to drill them and they drilled them off
> >> center,
> >> > Well done though. If I could get a domestic panel that delivers
> or
> >> > not
> >> > when they say and doesn't cost more than a german panel, count me
> >> in.
> >> > I
> >> > really want some wavetable panels, I've got 6 rev 1 boards and
> >> would
> >> > love to have a couple of matching pairs.
> >> >
> >> > How's that display board coming Ken ?
> >> >
> >> > gino
> >> >
> >>
> >> _________________________________________________________________
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