What do the Schaeffers cost? And what is the minimum order quantity?
As for the Stooges, cooould beeee.
It's a shame that this kind of fab work is so expensive. Tom at EFM
is looking into a printed vinyl self adhesive overlay for his modules,
and he might, just might, be interested in doing MOTM sized panels
after that. Only thing is that the vinyl will probably be white with
black lettering. I'm also going to check out adhesive labels at the
local office supply store, mayby 8-1/2x11 labels with color printing
and clear spray on laquer will work? If it turns out to be too
difficult or expensive to get the MOTM formats done, and if the vinyl
looks good, I will probably end up doing my own in a similar fashion
and will just use a 1u x 19" filler panel with several 1/8"-1/4" jack
multiples and one of Ken's DC Mixers.
Larry
As for the Stooges, cooould beeee.
It's a shame that this kind of fab work is so expensive. Tom at EFM
is looking into a printed vinyl self adhesive overlay for his modules,
and he might, just might, be interested in doing MOTM sized panels
after that. Only thing is that the vinyl will probably be white with
black lettering. I'm also going to check out adhesive labels at the
local office supply store, mayby 8-1/2x11 labels with color printing
and clear spray on laquer will work? If it turns out to be too
difficult or expensive to get the MOTM formats done, and if the vinyl
looks good, I will probably end up doing my own in a similar fashion
and will just use a 1u x 19" filler panel with several 1/8"-1/4" jack
multiples and one of Ken's DC Mixers.
Larry
--- In cgs_synth@y..., "Thom Somneevich" <thom_s4@h...> wrote:
>
> I don't think Schaeffers look _exactly_ like MOTM, but the same as
Oakley (I
> started the panels from modifying his VCO file), which is good
enough for
> me. But I'd be interested in going in on a run nonetheless. Seems
like
> Schaeffers cost about the same, but shipping from Germany can't be
cheap.
>
> Are 'they' the Stooges? :) Secrets are fun. Do tell.
>
> Seriously though, I'm going to get most of Paul's designs, and
Ken's, and
> Tony's, and John's, and so on. Having the same format available for
them is
> very handy, and makes me want to invest more in all of them. Will
Blacet's
> new VCO come as an MOTM kit? Why not? I hope so. Oakley and MOTM
have a
> mutually beneficial relationship, even though they have many similar
> modules. They should ask Paul if he'd mind them selling panels. I
don't see
> why he would. If I save a few bucks, I'm going to throw it right
back into
> modules anyway. ;)
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Larry T." <larry@u...>
> Reply-To: cgs_synth@y...
> To: cgs_synth@y...
> Subject: [cgs_synth] Re: Front Panels
> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 23:57:18 -0000
>
> In order to protect the guilty, I was looking at working with some
> folks that are already doing custom MOTM panels. Then can do panels
> for anyone, but do not wish to create conflicts with the actual MOTM
> product line (very wise on their part I think). They normally do
not
> drill the panels, but they do have the centering marks to punch then
> drill your own (handy if you don't want to use MOTM jacks or pots).
> One of the issues with this method is that quantity counts. Doing
> only one of a panel costs a bundle. I don't know what the Schaeffer
> panels cost, but to they have the same 'look' as the MOTM's? If we
> could get 5 or 6, or more, of the same panel, then the cost gets
> reasonable. If we could get 5 or 6, or more, of 3 different panels,
> then we could probably get a complete production run scheduled when
we
> wanted it. (The silk screening masters support 3 panels at a time.)
> If you would like to see some of the finished products, let me know
> and I'll send the web site for the existing products via private
> e-mail. These guys are really nice (I've bought from one of them on
> several occasions) and I sure don't want to mess up their
relationship
> with MOTM. OTOH, some of Ken's designs are NOT competing with MOTM
> and, if there was a demand, they might do the do the panels outright
> and make then available independently. They do their layouts using
> Corel Draw, and can work from our masters or create one based on an
> idea, or use ours directly if it is clean.
>
> Larry Troth
>
> --- In cgs_synth@y..., "Thom Somneevich" <thom_s4@h...> wrote:
> > Who are you going to use for the frontpanels? I like the idea of
> using
> > Schaeffer because I know the software and don't have to worry
about
> cutting
> > the metal and getting the mounting holes right on, but it seems
kind
> of
> > wasteful to ship it all the way from Germany. If you have someone
> stateside,
> > that would be cool. I'd be willing to design some. I have the
dual
> > psycho-lfo in the files section (schaeffer file).
> >
> > To keep cost down and be able to fit the larger rotary-switch
boards
> in the
> > MOTM/Oakley format, you could add more to the module. For the
burst
> > generator, for example, you could make it 2u wide and add mults,
or
> edge
> > another board in there -- a psycho lfo (for some crazy clocking?)
or
> a dc
> > mixer or something from efm or oakley. Make sure the cgs board is
on
> the
> > right so that any overlap can still fit in the open space on the
> left in the
> > adjoining MOTM board -- to make the rotary switch properly
aligned,
> there
> > will still be overlap on one side; mildly punk rock, but if
you're
> not
> > opposed to that... :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: sasami@b...
> > Reply-To: cgs_synth@y...
> > To: cgs_synth@y...
> > Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Front Panels
> > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:55:16 +1100 (EST)
> >
> > I think it is a good idea. At the time the form factor of the
MOTM
> modules
> > was being discussed, I was also looking at what form factor to
make
> my own
> > modules, and was involved in the discussion with Paul, along with
> other SDIY
> > members. I came to a descision before Paul, and chose the Moog
> format, with
> > the exception that I used 1/8th jacks. I was expeting Paul would
> adopt the
> > true moog form also, though instead he went with the slightly
> narrower 1U
> > format. He at least did go with the 5U height.
> >
> > Some of my panel designs would probably transport across pretty
> easilly,
> > though of course I need less space for the jacks.
> >
> > Boards such as the burt generator may cause grief if trying to
fit
> it on a
> > single 1U panel, as the PCB itself is the width of a moog module.
Of
> course,
> > if you are prepared to hand wire the switch , there will be no
> problem.
> >
> > While a lot of my other boards are of the same width, it will not
be
> an
> > issue, as they can easilly be mounted at 90 degrees to the panel.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > >Hi All
> > >
> > >What follows is a posting I did to the EFF Support group. But
the
> > >same idea applies here. While Ken does not supply full kits,
> there is
> > >still a need for front panels for the completed modules. So,
that
> > >being said, is there any interest based on what follows?
> > >
> > >Since EFM supplies FracRack size blanks with their full kits, I
> was
> > >curious if anyone else was interested in making panels that
would
> be
> > >compatible with the MOTM format? I have several MOTM kits, and
> expect
> > >to be getting more. Rather than messing with two different
panel
> > >sizes, and patch cord multiples/format converters, I was
thinking
> of
> > >makeing MOTM compatible panels. If there is any interest,
maybe
> some
> > >of you would like to help me do the layouts? I have done a
little
> > >research and there are sources we could piggyback on to get the
> panels
> > >made professionally if there is enough interest. Panels would
> probaly
> > >end up around USD25 to USD35 each. If we could make 5-10 of a
> single
> > >design, and 3 different designs (i.e. production run of 15 to
30
> > >panels total). As with most issues of this type, the major
costs
> are
> > >in the setup, so the more panels of the same design made, the
> lower
> > >the cost per panel. Also, in the MOTM format, a normal setup
does
> 3
> > >different designs in a single silk screen master.
> > >
> > >BTW, the intent here is NOT to start a flame war, but to see if
> there
> > >is some interest in this panel size as a common format. I find
> that I
> > >get the most use out of systems that have mixed sources. I am
> also
> > >working on some CGS PCB's and I will be looking at the
possibility
> of
> > >MOTM format panels for them as well.
> > >
> > >Thanks all, and I'll look forward to hearing from you. If you
> wish to
> > >reply off-list, please feel free to e-mail me: ltroth@s...
> > >Otherwise, I look forward to seeing how this discussion evolves
on
> the
> > >list.
> > >
> > >Larry Troth
> >
> >
>
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