Thom
Do you have any way of taking a picture of a couple of your Schaffer
panels and posting them? Maybe you could do a color scan of them? I
have not seen any of their completed work (that I am aware of). I
believe that you can post to the Photos section.
Larry
Do you have any way of taking a picture of a couple of your Schaffer
panels and posting them? Maybe you could do a color scan of them? I
have not seen any of their completed work (that I am aware of). I
believe that you can post to the Photos section.
Larry
--- In cgs_synth@y..., "Thom Somneevich" <thom_s4@h...> wrote:
>
> 2u Schaeffers are about 55dm -- so about $27, not including
shipping. No
> minimum order. If you order 5-9, it's 10% off. -20 is 20% off, and
-30 (in
> case you want a _lot_ of psychos!) is 30% off. They're actually
engraved and
> inked, not printed.
>
> I just did a 5u Serge-style layout, w/ 112 component holes (whee!),
mounting
> holes, and five engraved rectangles to section parts off from each
other,
> and it's about $75. Chromated natural aluminum. All the etching for
the
> individual component labels will drive that price up quite a bit --
about
> $.25/word.
>
> Front panels and formats are the two things that really chafe my
rump.
>
> thom
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Larry" <ltroth@s...>
> Reply-To: cgs_synth@y...
> To: cgs_synth@y...
> Subject: [cgs_synth] Re: Front Panels
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 02:52:13 -0000
>
> What do the Schaeffers cost? And what is the minimum order
quantity?
>
> As for the Stooges, cooould beeee.
>
> It's a shame that this kind of fab work is so expensive. Tom at EFM
> is looking into a printed vinyl self adhesive overlay for his
modules,
> and he might, just might, be interested in doing MOTM sized panels
> after that. Only thing is that the vinyl will probably be white
with
> black lettering. I'm also going to check out adhesive labels at the
> local office supply store, mayby 8-1/2x11 labels with color printing
> and clear spray on laquer will work? If it turns out to be too
> difficult or expensive to get the MOTM formats done, and if the
vinyl
> looks good, I will probably end up doing my own in a similar fashion
> and will just use a 1u x 19" filler panel with several 1/8"-1/4"
jack
> multiples and one of Ken's DC Mixers.
>
> Larry
>
> --- In cgs_synth@y..., "Thom Somneevich" <thom_s4@h...> wrote:
> >
> > I don't think Schaeffers look _exactly_ like MOTM, but the same
as
> Oakley (I
> > started the panels from modifying his VCO file), which is good
> enough for
> > me. But I'd be interested in going in on a run nonetheless. Seems
> like
> > Schaeffers cost about the same, but shipping from Germany can't
be
> cheap.
> >
> > Are 'they' the Stooges? :) Secrets are fun. Do tell.
> >
> > Seriously though, I'm going to get most of Paul's designs, and
> Ken's, and
> > Tony's, and John's, and so on. Having the same format available
for
> them is
> > very handy, and makes me want to invest more in all of them. Will
> Blacet's
> > new VCO come as an MOTM kit? Why not? I hope so. Oakley and MOTM
> have a
> > mutually beneficial relationship, even though they have many
similar
> > modules. They should ask Paul if he'd mind them selling panels. I
> don't see
> > why he would. If I save a few bucks, I'm going to throw it right
> back into
> > modules anyway. ;)
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: "Larry T." <larry@u...>
> > Reply-To: cgs_synth@y...
> > To: cgs_synth@y...
> > Subject: [cgs_synth] Re: Front Panels
> > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 23:57:18 -0000
> >
> > In order to protect the guilty, I was looking at working with
some
> > folks that are already doing custom MOTM panels. Then can do
panels
> > for anyone, but do not wish to create conflicts with the actual
MOTM
> > product line (very wise on their part I think). They normally do
> not
> > drill the panels, but they do have the centering marks to punch
then
> > drill your own (handy if you don't want to use MOTM jacks or
pots).
> > One of the issues with this method is that quantity counts.
Doing
> > only one of a panel costs a bundle. I don't know what the
Schaeffer
> > panels cost, but to they have the same 'look' as the MOTM's? If
we
> > could get 5 or 6, or more, of the same panel, then the cost gets
> > reasonable. If we could get 5 or 6, or more, of 3 different
panels,
> > then we could probably get a complete production run scheduled
when
> we
> > wanted it. (The silk screening masters support 3 panels at a
time.)
> > If you would like to see some of the finished products, let me
know
> > and I'll send the web site for the existing products via private
> > e-mail. These guys are really nice (I've bought from one of them
on
> > several occasions) and I sure don't want to mess up their
> relationship
> > with MOTM. OTOH, some of Ken's designs are NOT competing with
MOTM
> > and, if there was a demand, they might do the do the panels
outright
> > and make then available independently. They do their layouts
using
> > Corel Draw, and can work from our masters or create one based on
an
> > idea, or use ours directly if it is clean.
> >
> > Larry Troth
> >
> > --- In cgs_synth@y..., "Thom Somneevich" <thom_s4@h...> wrote:
> > > Who are you going to use for the frontpanels? I like the idea
of
> > using
> > > Schaeffer because I know the software and don't have to worry
> about
> > cutting
> > > the metal and getting the mounting holes right on, but it
seems
> kind
> > of
> > > wasteful to ship it all the way from Germany. If you have
someone
> > stateside,
> > > that would be cool. I'd be willing to design some. I have the
> dual
> > > psycho-lfo in the files section (schaeffer file).
> > >
> > > To keep cost down and be able to fit the larger rotary-switch
> boards
> > in the
> > > MOTM/Oakley format, you could add more to the module. For the
> burst
> > > generator, for example, you could make it 2u wide and add
mults,
> or
> > edge
> > > another board in there -- a psycho lfo (for some crazy
clocking?)
> or
> > a dc
> > > mixer or something from efm or oakley. Make sure the cgs board
is
> on
> > the
> > > right so that any overlap can still fit in the open space on
the
> > left in the
> > > adjoining MOTM board -- to make the rotary switch properly
> aligned,
> > there
> > > will still be overlap on one side; mildly punk rock, but if
> you're
> > not
> > > opposed to that... :)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----Original Message Follows----
> > > From: sasami@b...
> > > Reply-To: cgs_synth@y...
> > > To: cgs_synth@y...
> > > Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Front Panels
> > > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:55:16 +1100 (EST)
> > >
> > > I think it is a good idea. At the time the form factor of the
> MOTM
> > modules
> > > was being discussed, I was also looking at what form factor to
> make
> > my own
> > > modules, and was involved in the discussion with Paul, along
with
> > other SDIY
> > > members. I came to a descision before Paul, and chose the Moog
> > format, with
> > > the exception that I used 1/8th jacks. I was expeting Paul
would
> > adopt the
> > > true moog form also, though instead he went with the slightly
> > narrower 1U
> > > format. He at least did go with the 5U height.
> > >
> > > Some of my panel designs would probably transport across
pretty
> > easilly,
> > > though of course I need less space for the jacks.
> > >
> > > Boards such as the burt generator may cause grief if trying to
> fit
> > it on a
> > > single 1U panel, as the PCB itself is the width of a moog
module.
> Of
> > course,
> > > if you are prepared to hand wire the switch , there will be no
> > problem.
> > >
> > > While a lot of my other boards are of the same width, it will
not
> be
> > an
> > > issue, as they can easilly be mounted at 90 degrees to the
panel.
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > > >Hi All
> > > >
> > > >What follows is a posting I did to the EFF Support group.
But
> the
> > > >same idea applies here. While Ken does not supply full
kits,
> > there is
> > > >still a need for front panels for the completed modules.
So,
> that
> > > >being said, is there any interest based on what follows?
> > > >
> > > >Since EFM supplies FracRack size blanks with their full
kits, I
> > was
> > > >curious if anyone else was interested in making panels that
> would
> > be
> > > >compatible with the MOTM format? I have several MOTM kits,
and
> > expect
> > > >to be getting more. Rather than messing with two different
> panel
> > > >sizes, and patch cord multiples/format converters, I was
> thinking
> > of
> > > >makeing MOTM compatible panels. If there is any interest,
> maybe
> > some
> > > >of you would like to help me do the layouts? I have done a
> little
> > > >research and there are sources we could piggyback on to get
the
> > panels
> > > >made professionally if there is enough interest. Panels
would
> > probaly
> > > >end up around USD25 to USD35 each. If we could make 5-10 of
a
> > single
> > > >design, and 3 different designs (i.e. production run of 15
to
> 30
> > > >panels total). As with most issues of this type, the major
> costs
> > are
> > > >in the setup, so the more panels of the same design made,
the
> > lower
> > > >the cost per panel. Also, in the MOTM format, a normal
setup
> does
> > 3
> > > >different designs in a single silk screen master.
> > > >
> > > >BTW, the intent here is NOT to start a flame war, but to see
if
> > there
> > > >is some interest in this panel size as a common format. I
find
> > that I
> > > >get the most use out of systems that have mixed sources. I
am
> > also
> > > >working on some CGS PCB's and I will be looking at the
> possibility
> > of
> > > >MOTM format panels for them as well.
> > > >
> > > >Thanks all, and I'll look forward to hearing from you. If
you
> > wish to
> > > >reply off-list, please feel free to e-mail me: ltroth@s...
> > > >Otherwise, I look forward to seeing how this discussion
evolves
> on
> > the
> > > >list.
> > > >
> > > >Larry Troth
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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