Cgs synth

I don't have any of my designs done yet. I have an Oakley TB3030M, and it's
nice. It's dark bronze. The pictures are on his site; all his stuff is done
by Schaeffer. When I finally order my stuff (I'm broke right now -- panels
for me or presents for others -- it's an annual quandary :), it should look
exactly like the Oakley stuff, since I use the same font/font size, same
hole sizes, same spacing, same mounting holes (which I'm not 100% sure will
fit in the MOTM mounting rails). Maybe I'll scrounge enough for the Dual
Psycho, just to make sure I've got everything right, and to see how much
shipping is. I'll let you know when it happens.

thom

----Original Message Follows----
From: "Larry" <ltroth@...>
Reply-To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [cgs_synth] Re: Front Panels
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:46:59 -0000

Thom

Do you have any way of taking a picture of a couple of your Schaffer
panels and posting them? Maybe you could do a color scan of them? I
have not seen any of their completed work (that I am aware of). I
believe that you can post to the Photos section.

Larry

--- In cgs_synth@y..., "Thom Somneevich" <thom_s4@h...> wrote:
>
> 2u Schaeffers are about 55dm -- so about $27, not including
shipping. No
> minimum order. If you order 5-9, it's 10% off. -20 is 20% off, and
-30 (in
> case you want a _lot_ of psychos!) is 30% off. They're actually
engraved and
> inked, not printed.
>
> I just did a 5u Serge-style layout, w/ 112 component holes (whee!),
mounting
> holes, and five engraved rectangles to section parts off from each
other,
> and it's about $75. Chromated natural aluminum. All the etching for
the
> individual component labels will drive that price up quite a bit --
about
> $.25/word.
>
> Front panels and formats are the two things that really chafe my
rump.
>
> thom
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Larry" <ltroth@s...>
> Reply-To: cgs_synth@y...
> To: cgs_synth@y...
> Subject: [cgs_synth] Re: Front Panels
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 02:52:13 -0000
>
> What do the Schaeffers cost? And what is the minimum order
quantity?
>
> As for the Stooges, cooould beeee.
>
> It's a shame that this kind of fab work is so expensive. Tom at EFM
> is looking into a printed vinyl self adhesive overlay for his
modules,
> and he might, just might, be interested in doing MOTM sized panels
> after that. Only thing is that the vinyl will probably be white
with
> black lettering. I'm also going to check out adhesive labels at the
> local office supply store, mayby 8-1/2x11 labels with color printing
> and clear spray on laquer will work? If it turns out to be too
> difficult or expensive to get the MOTM formats done, and if the
vinyl
> looks good, I will probably end up doing my own in a similar fashion
> and will just use a 1u x 19" filler panel with several 1/8"-1/4"
jack
> multiples and one of Ken's DC Mixers.
>
> Larry
>
> --- In cgs_synth@y..., "Thom Somneevich" <thom_s4@h...> wrote:
> >
> > I don't think Schaeffers look _exactly_ like MOTM, but the same
as
> Oakley (I
> > started the panels from modifying his VCO file), which is good
> enough for
> > me. But I'd be interested in going in on a run nonetheless. Seems
> like
> > Schaeffers cost about the same, but shipping from Germany can't
be
> cheap.
> >
> > Are 'they' the Stooges? :) Secrets are fun. Do tell.
> >
> > Seriously though, I'm going to get most of Paul's designs, and
> Ken's, and
> > Tony's, and John's, and so on. Having the same format available
for
> them is
> > very handy, and makes me want to invest more in all of them. Will
> Blacet's
> > new VCO come as an MOTM kit? Why not? I hope so. Oakley and MOTM
> have a
> > mutually beneficial relationship, even though they have many
similar
> > modules. They should ask Paul if he'd mind them selling panels. I
> don't see
> > why he would. If I save a few bucks, I'm going to throw it right
> back into
> > modules anyway. ;)
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: "Larry T." <larry@u...>
> > Reply-To: cgs_synth@y...
> > To: cgs_synth@y...
> > Subject: [cgs_synth] Re: Front Panels
> > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 23:57:18 -0000
> >
> > In order to protect the guilty, I was looking at working with
some
> > folks that are already doing custom MOTM panels. Then can do
panels
> > for anyone, but do not wish to create conflicts with the actual
MOTM
> > product line (very wise on their part I think). They normally do
> not
> > drill the panels, but they do have the centering marks to punch
then
> > drill your own (handy if you don't want to use MOTM jacks or
pots).
> > One of the issues with this method is that quantity counts.
Doing
> > only one of a panel costs a bundle. I don't know what the
Schaeffer
> > panels cost, but to they have the same 'look' as the MOTM's? If
we
> > could get 5 or 6, or more, of the same panel, then the cost gets
> > reasonable. If we could get 5 or 6, or more, of 3 different
panels,
> > then we could probably get a complete production run scheduled
when
> we
> > wanted it. (The silk screening masters support 3 panels at a
time.)
> > If you would like to see some of the finished products, let me
know
> > and I'll send the web site for the existing products via private
> > e-mail. These guys are really nice (I've bought from one of them
on
> > several occasions) and I sure don't want to mess up their
> relationship
> > with MOTM. OTOH, some of Ken's designs are NOT competing with
MOTM
> > and, if there was a demand, they might do the do the panels
outright
> > and make then available independently. They do their layouts
using
> > Corel Draw, and can work from our masters or create one based on
an
> > idea, or use ours directly if it is clean.
> >
> > Larry Troth
> >
> > --- In cgs_synth@y..., "Thom Somneevich" <thom_s4@h...> wrote:
> > > Who are you going to use for the frontpanels? I like the idea
of
> > using
> > > Schaeffer because I know the software and don't have to worry
> about
> > cutting
> > > the metal and getting the mounting holes right on, but it
seems
> kind
> > of
> > > wasteful to ship it all the way from Germany. If you have
someone
> > stateside,
> > > that would be cool. I'd be willing to design some. I have the
> dual
> > > psycho-lfo in the files section (schaeffer file).
> > >
> > > To keep cost down and be able to fit the larger rotary-switch
> boards
> > in the
> > > MOTM/Oakley format, you could add more to the module. For the
> burst
> > > generator, for example, you could make it 2u wide and add
mults,
> or
> > edge
> > > another board in there -- a psycho lfo (for some crazy
clocking?)
> or
> > a dc
> > > mixer or something from efm or oakley. Make sure the cgs board
is
> on
> > the
> > > right so that any overlap can still fit in the open space on
the
> > left in the
> > > adjoining MOTM board -- to make the rotary switch properly
> aligned,
> > there
> > > will still be overlap on one side; mildly punk rock, but if
> you're
> > not
> > > opposed to that... :)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----Original Message Follows----
> > > From: sasami@b...
> > > Reply-To: cgs_synth@y...
> > > To: cgs_synth@y...
> > > Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Front Panels
> > > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:55:16 +1100 (EST)
> > >
> > > I think it is a good idea. At the time the form factor of the
> MOTM
> > modules
> > > was being discussed, I was also looking at what form factor to
> make
> > my own
> > > modules, and was involved in the discussion with Paul, along
with
> > other SDIY
> > > members. I came to a descision before Paul, and chose the Moog
> > format, with
> > > the exception that I used 1/8th jacks. I was expeting Paul
would
> > adopt the
> > > true moog form also, though instead he went with the slightly
> > narrower 1U
> > > format. He at least did go with the 5U height.
> > >
> > > Some of my panel designs would probably transport across
pretty
> > easilly,
> > > though of course I need less space for the jacks.
> > >
> > > Boards such as the burt generator may cause grief if trying to
> fit
> > it on a
> > > single 1U panel, as the PCB itself is the width of a moog
module.
> Of
> > course,
> > > if you are prepared to hand wire the switch , there will be no
> > problem.
> > >
> > > While a lot of my other boards are of the same width, it will
not
> be
> > an
> > > issue, as they can easilly be mounted at 90 degrees to the
panel.
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > > >Hi All
> > > >
> > > >What follows is a posting I did to the EFF Support group.
But
> the
> > > >same idea applies here. While Ken does not supply full
kits,
> > there is
> > > >still a need for front panels for the completed modules.
So,
> that
> > > >being said, is there any interest based on what follows?
> > > >
> > > >Since EFM supplies FracRack size blanks with their full
kits, I
> > was
> > > >curious if anyone else was interested in making panels that
> would
> > be
> > > >compatible with the MOTM format? I have several MOTM kits,
and
> > expect
> > > >to be getting more. Rather than messing with two different
> panel
> > > >sizes, and patch cord multiples/format converters, I was
> thinking
> > of
> > > >makeing MOTM compatible panels. If there is any interest,
> maybe
> > some
> > > >of you would like to help me do the layouts? I have done a
> little
> > > >research and there are sources we could piggyback on to get
the
> > panels
> > > >made professionally if there is enough interest. Panels
would
> > probaly
> > > >end up around USD25 to USD35 each. If we could make 5-10 of
a
> > single
> > > >design, and 3 different designs (i.e. production run of 15
to
> 30
> > > >panels total). As with most issues of this type, the major
> costs
> > are
> > > >in the setup, so the more panels of the same design made,
the
> > lower
> > > >the cost per panel. Also, in the MOTM format, a normal
setup
> does
> > 3
> > > >different designs in a single silk screen master.
> > > >
> > > >BTW, the intent here is NOT to start a flame war, but to see
if
> > there
> > > >is some interest in this panel size as a common format. I
find
> > that I
> > > >get the most use out of systems that have mixed sources. I
am
> > also
> > > >working on some CGS PCB's and I will be looking at the
> possibility
> > of
> > > >MOTM format panels for them as well.
> > > >
> > > >Thanks all, and I'll look forward to hearing from you. If
you
> > wish to
> > > >reply off-list, please feel free to e-mail me: ltroth@s...
> > > >Otherwise, I look forward to seeing how this discussion
evolves
> on
> > the
> > > >list.
> > > >
> > > >Larry Troth
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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