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CGS VCO.

2005-10-12 by brownchonald

What are my options for the outputs and inputs on the CGS VCO?

I'm wanting to order two PCBs. But am not sure what to make the front
panel look like.

Will anyone help me out?

Cole

Re: CGS VCO.

2005-10-13 by bbluthang

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> What are my options for the outputs and inputs on the CGS VCO?
>
> I'm wanting to order two PCBs. But am not sure what to make the
front
> panel look like.
>
> Will anyone help me out?
>
> Cole
>
Hello Cole
if you join the group modular synth panels
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/ModularSynthPanels/
you can find two VCO FPD files in the CGS folder of the 'files'
section.
one version is with all the fruit, the other is a dual VCO but with
just the basics.
Ken gives a good description on his VCO page of all the VCO inputs
and outputs.
its worth having a think about your own requirements and spending an
hour on FPD to make your own design.
cheers
andrew

Re: CGS VCO.

2005-10-13 by Gerald Stevens

Cole,
The outputs and inputs are listed in the PCB connections table on the VCO
webpage. I'm about to start drilling out a panel for the board, which I
stuffed last weekend. What I want to know is, why two FM inputs (DC and AC)?
What does a D/C component do to FM, offset the pitch? Can someone give me an
example of the use of a D/C coupled FM input?
thanks,
-gerald
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> What are my options for the outputs and inputs on the CGS VCO?
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> I'm wanting to order two PCBs. But am not sure what to make the front
> panel look like.
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> Will anyone help me out?
>
> Cole
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Re: CGS VCO.

2005-10-13 by Richard Brewster

Look carefully and you will see two different frequency modulation
inputs. CV1, CV2, TUNE, and the 1V/oct inputs are the exponential
inputs. These are the normal ones you use to make the VCO follow a
keyboard, etc. These are DC coupled (no capacitor). It is the LINEAR
FM inputs that have the AC and DC on them. Linear FM typically uses the
AC coupling capacitor to avoid weird offsets. You usually put an audio
frequency signal here for special modulation effects. If you have
limited panel space you may want to use only the AC coupled linear FM
input. My CGS VCO has a 1V/Oct FM input, plus a general FM input jack
with attenuator. I have two switches following that: one to route to
the exponential vs the linear input, and one for AC/DC that just shorts
the capacitor for DC coupling.

If building this VCO you should compare the ASM-1 VCO, which is
similar. Do a web search an you find lot of information and schematics
for the ASM-1.

-Richard Brewster

Gerald Stevens wrote:
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>Cole,
> The outputs and inputs are listed in the PCB connections table on the VCO
>webpage. I'm about to start drilling out a panel for the board, which I
>stuffed last weekend. What I want to know is, why two FM inputs (DC and AC)?
>What does a D/C component do to FM, offset the pitch? Can someone give me an
>example of the use of a D/C coupled FM input?
> thanks,
> -gerald
> On 10/12/05, brownchonald <chonald@...> wrote:
>
>
>>What are my options for the outputs and inputs on the CGS VCO?
>>
>>I'm wanting to order two PCBs. But am not sure what to make the front
>>panel look like.
>>
>>Will anyone help me out?
>>
>>Cole
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Re: CGS VCO.

2005-10-14 by brownchonald

Richard Brewster, I sent you an email, let me know if you get it.

Thanks,
Cole
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, Richard Brewster <pugix@e...> wrote:
>
> Look carefully and you will see two different frequency modulation
> inputs. CV1, CV2, TUNE, and the 1V/oct inputs are the exponential
> inputs. These are the normal ones you use to make the VCO follow a
> keyboard, etc. These are DC coupled (no capacitor). It is the LINEAR
> FM inputs that have the AC and DC on them. Linear FM typically uses
the
> AC coupling capacitor to avoid weird offsets. You usually put an audio
> frequency signal here for special modulation effects. If you have
> limited panel space you may want to use only the AC coupled linear FM
> input. My CGS VCO has a 1V/Oct FM input, plus a general FM input jack
> with attenuator. I have two switches following that: one to route to
> the exponential vs the linear input, and one for AC/DC that just shorts
> the capacitor for DC coupling.
>
> If building this VCO you should compare the ASM-1 VCO, which is
> similar. Do a web search an you find lot of information and schematics
> for the ASM-1.
>
> -Richard Brewster
>
> Gerald Stevens wrote:
>
> >Cole,
> > The outputs and inputs are listed in the PCB connections table on
the VCO
> >webpage. I'm about to start drilling out a panel for the board, which I
> >stuffed last weekend. What I want to know is, why two FM inputs (DC
and AC)?
> >What does a D/C component do to FM, offset the pitch? Can someone
give me an
> >example of the use of a D/C coupled FM input?
> > thanks,
> > -gerald
> > On 10/12/05, brownchonald <chonald@g...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>What are my options for the outputs and inputs on the CGS VCO?
> >>
> >>I'm wanting to order two PCBs. But am not sure what to make the front
> >>panel look like.
> >>
> >>Will anyone help me out?
> >>
> >>Cole
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
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Sources for the CA3140

2005-10-20 by Richard Brewster

We are looking for sources of the CA3140 chip. Mouser doesn't have
them, nor Digikey. Any ideas?

Thanks,

-Richard Brewster

Re: Sources for the CA3140

2005-10-20 by David Hylander

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Re: Sources for the CA3140

2005-10-20 by bbluthang

--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, Richard Brewster <pugix@e...> wrote:
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> We are looking for sources of the CA3140 chip. Mouser doesn't have
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> Thanks,
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> -Richard Brewster
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hi
i think jaycar have them
http://www1.jaycar.com.au/

btw - their homepage is worth bookmarking - great for datasheets.
andrew

Feedback in ASR?

2005-10-22 by xamboldt

Hello Everyone,

Has anyone with an Analog Shift Register used a mixer to send feedback from
one of the taps back to the input? Strangely enough, I had a dream about
this (yes my subconscious has even fallen to obsessing about this stuff!),
and I'm wondering if it would be a worthwhile feature to build in to the ASR
I'll be building eventually...

Seems like it could be used as sort of a very short granular delay...

-Chris

Re: Feedback in ASR?

2005-10-23 by Richard Brewster

The ASR is a CV processor, not a signal processor. I haven't tried
clocking it at audio rates. Obviously the clock would come through very
strongly in the output. Feedback is a useful principle in general
though. If you mixed one of the outputs together with the input CV it
would impart a cyclical memory, like mixing back part of a sample and
hold output with its input. I've always used the ASR to shift CVs that
control the frequency of VCOs, so I can have one quantized CV control
three VCOs in an arabesque. Mixing back would wreck the quantization,
but I am going to try this out.

-Richard Brewster

xamboldt wrote:
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>Hello Everyone,
>
>Has anyone with an Analog Shift Register used a mixer to send feedback from
>one of the taps back to the input? Strangely enough, I had a dream about
>this (yes my subconscious has even fallen to obsessing about this stuff!),
>and I'm wondering if it would be a worthwhile feature to build in to the ASR
>I'll be building eventually...
>
>Seems like it could be used as sort of a very short granular delay...
>
>-Chris
>
>
>
>

Re: Feedback in ASR?

2005-10-23 by xamboldt

Yeah, it's not designed for processing audio, but it does handle bipolar
signals, right? I imagine it would sound very nasty processing audio,
dividing it into narrow slices (grains) - although to have an output
resembling audio it would have to be clocked very quickly, so it might just
end up sounding like a square wave tremolo or even a ring modulator. I'm not
even sure what feedback would do in that situation.

I guess the logical conclusion of where my brain was headed on this, if it's
used to control CVs, would be a Wiard Noise Ring.

Nevertheless, I'm very interested to see what your experimentation
produces...

-Chris
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On 10/22/05 9:30 PM, "Richard Brewster" <pugix@...> wrote:

> The ASR is a CV processor, not a signal processor. I haven't tried
> clocking it at audio rates. Obviously the clock would come through very
> strongly in the output. Feedback is a useful principle in general
> though. If you mixed one of the outputs together with the input CV it
> would impart a cyclical memory, like mixing back part of a sample and
> hold output with its input. I've always used the ASR to shift CVs that
> control the frequency of VCOs, so I can have one quantized CV control
> three VCOs in an arabesque. Mixing back would wreck the quantization,
> but I am going to try this out.
>
> -Richard Brewster
>
> xamboldt wrote:
>
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> Has anyone with an Analog Shift Register used a mixer to send feedback from
>> one of the taps back to the input? Strangely enough, I had a dream about
>> this (yes my subconscious has even fallen to obsessing about this stuff!),
>> and I'm wondering if it would be a worthwhile feature to build in to the ASR
>> I'll be building eventually...
>>
>> Seems like it could be used as sort of a very short granular delay...
>>
>> -Chris
>>
>>

Re: Feedback in ASR?

2005-10-23 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

I think you would find that the S&H caps would prevent this. You would get
some sort of signal through, but way reduced, as these caps take quite a
while to charge up. You could reduce the caps I guess, but that would make
it worthless as an ASR. Yes it is bipolar.

Ken
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>Yeah, it's not designed for processing audio, but it does handle bipolar
>signals, right? I imagine it would sound very nasty processing audio,
>dividing it into narrow slices (grains) - although to have an output
>resembling audio it would have to be clocked very quickly, so it might just
>end up sounding like a square wave tremolo or even a ring modulator. I'm not
>even sure what feedback would do in that situation.
>
>I guess the logical conclusion of where my brain was headed on this, if it's
>used to control CVs, would be a Wiard Noise Ring.
>
>Nevertheless, I'm very interested to see what your experimentation
>produces...
>
>-Chris
>
>On 10/22/05 9:30 PM, "Richard Brewster" <pugix@...> wrote:
>
>> The ASR is a CV processor, not a signal processor. I haven't tried
>> clocking it at audio rates. Obviously the clock would come through very
>> strongly in the output. Feedback is a useful principle in general
>> though. If you mixed one of the outputs together with the input CV it
>> would impart a cyclical memory, like mixing back part of a sample and
>> hold output with its input. I've always used the ASR to shift CVs that
>> control the frequency of VCOs, so I can have one quantized CV control
>> three VCOs in an arabesque. Mixing back would wreck the quantization,
>> but I am going to try this out.
>>
>> -Richard Brewster
>>
>> xamboldt wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>
>>> Has anyone with an Analog Shift Register used a mixer to send feedback from
>>> one of the taps back to the input? Strangely enough, I had a dream about
>>> this (yes my subconscious has even fallen to obsessing about this stuff!),
>>> and I'm wondering if it would be a worthwhile feature to build in to the ASR
>>> I'll be building eventually...
>>>
>>> Seems like it could be used as sort of a very short granular delay...
>>>
>>> -Chris
>>>
>>>
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Re: Feedback in ASR?

2005-10-24 by xamboldt

Arg - these so-called "laws of physics" of the "real world" ruin my best
ideas. :)

Thinking about this however, made me realize that the Gated Comparator is
just a few simple modules (white noise, clock, another comparator (maybe 2),
solid state switch, some voltage sources) away from being able to function
as a Noise Ring (minus the secondary DAC out, I suppose). Check out the
Noise Ring description and block diagram:
http://www.wiard.com/1200/NR/Noise_Ring.html

I already though the GC was cool enough, now that I'm opening up my mind to
more patching possibilities, I'm realizing just how great a module this is.
Nice work, Ken!

-Chris
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On 10/23/05 4:15 AM, "sasami@..." <sasami@...> wrote:

> I think you would find that the S&H caps would prevent this. You would get
> some sort of signal through, but way reduced, as these caps take quite a
> while to charge up. You could reduce the caps I guess, but that would make
> it worthless as an ASR. Yes it is bipolar.
>
> Ken
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