Re: New and comparing the in comparable
2006-08-22 by thomas white
Sorry for the cross post, but this message now applies to both lists...
Cynthia does wonderful things with CGS modules! The idea usually mixes two PCB's to create emulti uses. This thought inspired my triple module described later below.
I also have several of Ken's modules. He has a wide selction of "freaky behavior" modules you can build. Like Rich, I really like the Analog Shift Register and Burst Gen. I just built the burst gen and it is really awesome to make ratchety-type effects when using an external clock controlled by and EG or LFO. The module was super easy to build and should not be overlooked for those looking to add some flavor to a module.
The Digital Noise is great to for its DS1 and DS2 outs. These are binary pulses that go back and forth at random between the two. You can use these to trigger EG's as well for random effects. I have a Psycho LFO built but missing 3 560K resistors (thanks to Mouser miscounting my last order). As soon as these come, I am putting the Psycho LFO, Digital Noise and ASR into 1 2-space MOTM panel. This will allow for some unique "normalization" of the wiring to the 1/4" jacks (not possible in Banana I guess). For example, the clock of the digital noise controlling the clock in on the ASR so external patching is not needed. I don't know how trigger will behave (if at all) through the ASR, but it might be cool to use the analog memory to create additional trigger delays. If this works, it would be like a three-pulse burst generator.
I will have pictures and sounds shortly on my website once my final panels come from FPE. In the meantime, you could run a thin pulse wave through a VCA controlled by a switch or keyboard. Throw the switch/slash hit the key and the pulse wave flows through to an EG to be triggered like a burst generator. Not tested, but should work.
Hope this helps. I think I am going to have to look at an Infinite Melody thanks to Brewsters email. Listen to the sounds on his website and you will see he is not a man to be messed with. Sounds, in particular on the odd-tip, are his specialty. Much respect Rich!
Thomas
Richard Brewster <pugix@...> wrote:
I trust everyone is familiar with Ken Stone's Catgirl Synth:
http://www.cgs.synth.net/
Ken's stuff epitomizes the unusual type of module and offers a large
number of designs for use in "unpredicability" patching. A number of
Cynthia's modules have been based on Ken's designs. If you can build
from a PC board (or get someone to do it for you), the Burst Generator
is available from Ken right now. I have built a good number of Ken's
designs for my own synth. Among my favorites are the Analog Shift
Register, the Infinite Melody and the Burst Generator.
http://www.pugix.com/top-cabinet.htm#burstgen
-Richard Brewster
glaxon modulators wrote:
Cynthia does wonderful things with CGS modules! The idea usually mixes two PCB's to create emulti uses. This thought inspired my triple module described later below.
I also have several of Ken's modules. He has a wide selction of "freaky behavior" modules you can build. Like Rich, I really like the Analog Shift Register and Burst Gen. I just built the burst gen and it is really awesome to make ratchety-type effects when using an external clock controlled by and EG or LFO. The module was super easy to build and should not be overlooked for those looking to add some flavor to a module.
The Digital Noise is great to for its DS1 and DS2 outs. These are binary pulses that go back and forth at random between the two. You can use these to trigger EG's as well for random effects. I have a Psycho LFO built but missing 3 560K resistors (thanks to Mouser miscounting my last order). As soon as these come, I am putting the Psycho LFO, Digital Noise and ASR into 1 2-space MOTM panel. This will allow for some unique "normalization" of the wiring to the 1/4" jacks (not possible in Banana I guess). For example, the clock of the digital noise controlling the clock in on the ASR so external patching is not needed. I don't know how trigger will behave (if at all) through the ASR, but it might be cool to use the analog memory to create additional trigger delays. If this works, it would be like a three-pulse burst generator.
I will have pictures and sounds shortly on my website once my final panels come from FPE. In the meantime, you could run a thin pulse wave through a VCA controlled by a switch or keyboard. Throw the switch/slash hit the key and the pulse wave flows through to an EG to be triggered like a burst generator. Not tested, but should work.
Hope this helps. I think I am going to have to look at an Infinite Melody thanks to Brewsters email. Listen to the sounds on his website and you will see he is not a man to be messed with. Sounds, in particular on the odd-tip, are his specialty. Much respect Rich!
Thomas
Richard Brewster <pugix@...> wrote:
I trust everyone is familiar with Ken Stone's Catgirl Synth:
http://www.cgs.synth.net/
Ken's stuff epitomizes the unusual type of module and offers a large
number of designs for use in "unpredicability" patching. A number of
Cynthia's modules have been based on Ken's designs. If you can build
from a PC board (or get someone to do it for you), the Burst Generator
is available from Ken right now. I have built a good number of Ken's
designs for my own synth. Among my favorites are the Analog Shift
Register, the Infinite Melody and the Burst Generator.
http://www.pugix.com/top-cabinet.htm#burstgen
-Richard Brewster
glaxon modulators wrote:
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> thanks for the info - you kind of managed to ground my head down aThomas White
> bit in terms of preliminary orders and what we should focus on , i am
> hoping cynthia will re-introduce another burst generator type device
> as i like the sound it it .What attracts me to these modules is they
> seem ' abnormal ' in best possible sense and somewhat perplexing and
> as you said will require some learning and experimentation rather
> than predictable patching.Were looking at an ' unpredictablity device
> ' here ' .
>
> Ive been using the Nord modular to attempt emulation of combinations
> (ok so very rough emulations of sorts but to get an idea of potential
> ) its interesting , i did a kind of super psycho lfo emulation of
> sorts just to see the kind of sounds it could do or ' may ' do and
> tried a few ideas like this .
>
> I think i know where i am now ?
>
> matt
>
>
>
> */legion01x <legionhwp@...>/* wrote:
>
> Forgive me but I edited your email in a few basic questions to address
> them easier :)
>
> > Our studio has decided to build over time a large modular , the
> idea
> > is to build something which can run 4- 6 monophonic parts minimum
> > for now ,and then i came to randivide and were like heaviliy into
> > random here Our aim is to create complex autocompositions
> >whats a good balance of modules.I know what filters we need and what
> > Vco i think :)
>
> I have a decent sized cyndustries/modcan banana system now and use it
> a LOT for autocompositional mayhem. My advice is to start with a few
> of the more esoteric modules along with your basic VCOs and such that
> you know you'd like and see what does the trick for you. The
> Cyndustries modules are the most inspiring and unusual pieces I have
> worked with and I've learned it takes sometime actually *using* the
> modules before you realize what they can do for you. As a result I
> wouldn't suggest buying four of anything but if you have the money buy
> a few of different modules and see what works and interacts the best.
>
> For specific suggestions I'd reccomend at least one of the following:
>
> Cyndustries:
> - Randivide
> - Buchla Quad Lowpass gate
> - VC ADSR Version III
> - Gate Sequencer
> - Prime or Rhythmic divider (or both!)
> - Psycho LF0
>
> In Modcan items pick up:
> - Quad LFO (I cannot emphasize how useful this module is, it can be a
> basic trigger, a raw VCO, or even a weird cv mixer)
> - 6x2 Mixer (or the Cyn MixSix, or other Modcan mixer)
> - Processor (OR Cyn Anything Module)
>
> Now for other things I'd HIGHLY reccomend if you're going for unusual
> and autocompostion items I say the following if you can
> find/afford them:
>
> Zero Oscilator - This will keep you busy exploring new tones and areas
> for a long long time.
>
> Burst Generator - Out of production but snap one (or two) up if you
> ever see them used. Incredilby useful for throwing a standard patch
> into chaotic territory.
>
> Dark Star Chaos - Also out of production but very useful for not only
> unusual timbres but also as a modulation source.
>
> >not sure what i need and what if these modules as limited editions go
> out of production :) ' syndrome.
>
> That is a concern in addition to the fact that you may have to wait a
> few months before your order is complete. My advice is talk to Cynthia
> and Bruce to determine what they might have available now and down the
> road. Cynthia has already mnentioned the Randivide is going out of
> production but again you really won't know if that is what you "need"
> until you use it a bit. If you are concerned about "missing out" on an
> existing module I'd say err on the side of caution and buy two at
> least if you can afford it. You will *always* be able to sell them
> later. I built 90% of my system from used sales (including many
> modules still in production) and prices weren't always that much less
> than "new" but they were available. These modules have a rabid
> following and for better or worse many of us have the "bug" and snatch
> them up whenever available.
>
> > i know this is an possible unanswerable question ! the system will
> > focus heavily on special fx and noise effects , the ran divide i
> can
> > see us using alot.
>
> You didn't mention your budget so Id say mix and match to get the
> widest variety of things within what you can afford. Grab the ones you
> feel will be the most useful (OOP or otherwise) first.
>
> > Hope someone can make sense of my logic ?
>
> Hopefully my response does?
>
> > Ps is 1 logic pack enough :)?
>
> Again I would go for a logipac and a staircase comparator or other
> clock/divide/logic module before buying two of one module. You gain a
> lot in Cyndustires stuff by mixing different modules together.
>
> > (i just heard someone say , you can never have enough !)
>
> Well be careful because that is true! If you want to know the
> dangerous and addicitve side of this look in the "user setups" photo
> album. In April of this year I had two sixpaks of Cyndustries modules
> only (Legiongoesbananas.jpg). Today I uploaded a picture of my modular
> taken four months later (Legion_bananastwo.jpg) which now has FIVE
> sixpaks (including two ZeroVCOS), a Serge Panel, and a Serge TKB. Not
> pictured are the Fenix, an Anything Module on order, and an empty
> sixpak (which I am hiding from myself least I fill it up!!).
>
> And this is JUST the banana modular not the vintage stuff or 1/8" euro
> and frac systems in my studio. ouch!
>
> :)
>
> Have fun!
>
> _D
>
Natural Rhythm
www.naturalrhythmmusic.com
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