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Sequencer Project - It doesn't work!

Sequencer Project - It doesn't work!

2007-08-26 by stuadh

Hi,

After a LOT of work, I've just plugged in my Programmer/Sequencer
and it doesn't work. At least there was no smoke or burning smells.
But it realy isn't looking healthy. Although it is too late at the
moment to describe the symptoms in detail, it doesn't advance along
the stages. If you add a clock, some of the LEDs flash on and off.

1. What do I do now?

2. Because I made a number of changes to Ken's module, can anyone
recommend any (free) software for Mac OSX that can be used to draw
circuits? That way someone might be able to tell me if it is an
inherent design flaw.

Many thanks

Stuadh

Re: Sequencer Project - It doesn't work!

2007-08-27 by Ben Stuyts

Hi,

On 27 Aug 2007, at 02:25, stuadh wrote:

> 2. Because I made a number of changes to Ken's module, can anyone
> recommend any (free) software for Mac OSX that can be used to draw
> circuits? That way someone might be able to tell me if it is an
> inherent design flaw.

Maybe DesignWorks Lite will do? It's not free, but only $40:
http://www.capilano.com/html/dwml.html

There's also McCad:
http://www.mccad.com/

If you are willing to run X-Windows, there are some more options, for
example Geda:
http://www.ghz.cc/charles/fink/

Not affiliated, never tried it, etc. (But very interested how it
works for you.)

With kind regards,
Ben

Re: Sequencer Project - It doesn't work!

2007-08-30 by stuadh

Hi,

I've done a bit of testing and looking around the sequencer and I
found a number of faults (in design and build) that I have rectified.

I've checked that I'm putting +15V, 0V and -15V (actually +14.8V
and -15.2V...is this significant? That fault lies with my power
supply) I've tested the Sequential switch and that is working OK. I
now find that the sequencer of stuck on step 3 and but the step LED
only shows when I select one of the trigger output switches (these are
all driven from the PULSE OUT output. Diodes take the pulse away
through a number of switches, and onto trigger buses. Each of these
buses appears to be working correctly. Flicking each switch results
in the LED flashing and a Trigger pulse appearing at the relevant
output socket). On reflection, this is probable cause by the LED
running to GND through the trigger switches, and I probably need to
wire it to GND via a resistor (prob 1K5).

I've double checked that all the ICs are the correct ones and are in
the right way round and that the J, G and H are wired up according to
the website. I've inspected each 'A' board and I can't see any
problems, although I did take a few liberties by not wiring up the
Push Button, the AEP and the CPO. Instead, I have a clock input going
to a two way switch (centre off) giving a STOP, FORWARD and BACK
position, this being wired directly to the UP and DOWN inputs of the
'B' board. I also have a manual push button running from +15V to the
UP input, and push buttons running from +15V to the EXT PULSE input of
the 1st and 16th steps, the idea being that I could reset to these
steps at the touch of a button. None of these buttons work.

Also of significance is that there is the same output from each Row,
but that this is not affected by moving any of the knobs. This is
about 50mV.

I reckon from the symptoms above, the my trigger switches are fine
as is my Seq Switch. I assume that the problem lies in the 'B' board
since inputs to the UP and DOWN are not working and every single knob
doesn't seem to work (at least the 4 of step 3). I did make a bit of a
mess of the 'B'board as I wired it up, then had to remove it, but I
thought I had patched it up.

I know it is a bit of a black art trying to diagnose these things in
person, much less by remote but I'd really appreciate some help, here
as I'm running out of ideas.

Thanks in advance

Stuadh
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, "stuadh" <stuadh@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> After a LOT of work, I've just plugged in my Programmer/Sequencer
> and it doesn't work. At least there was no smoke or burning smells.
> But it realy isn't looking healthy. Although it is too late at the
> moment to describe the symptoms in detail, it doesn't advance along
> the stages. If you add a clock, some of the LEDs flash on and off.
>
> 1. What do I do now?
>
> 2. Because I made a number of changes to Ken's module, can anyone
> recommend any (free) software for Mac OSX that can be used to draw
> circuits? That way someone might be able to tell me if it is an
> inherent design flaw.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Stuadh
>

Re: Sequencer Project - It doesn't work!

2007-08-30 by bbluthang

Hi
I am willing to help but am unsure of your project
Are you combining a Sequential Switch with a Seq/Programmer?
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>
> I've checked that I'm putting +15V, 0V and -15V (actually +14.8V
> and -15.2V...is this significant?

shouldn't matter

On reflection, this is probable cause by the LED
> running to GND through the trigger switches, and I probably need to
> wire it to GND via a resistor (prob 1K5).

Leds always need a resistor to limit the current thru them, mainly for
their own self protection, the resistor can go between power( for +V)
and anode or ground and cathode, you only need one but it must be there.


> the 1st and 16th steps, the idea being that I could reset to these
> steps at the touch of a button. None of these buttons work.
>

What have you done to get a 16 step sequencer using Ken's boards? Not
that it is difficult or wrong, just non-standard.


> Also of significance is that there is the same output from each Row,
> but that this is not affected by moving any of the knobs. This is
> about 50mV.

this is basically 0 - nothing is coming in. have you checked the
outputs of whatever is driving the pots?
>
>
>
> I know it is a bit of a black art trying to diagnose these things in
> person, much less by remote but I'd really appreciate some help, here

if you could draw up a schematic of your mods, by hand is ok, it would
help a lot. post it in files
cheers
Andrew

Re: Sequencer Project - It doesn't work!

2007-08-31 by stuadh

Hi,

Very kind of you to help.

I'm using a Doepfer Sequential Switch that I had a spare board from.
It runs from the 4 Rows and can really be considered as separate to
the Sequencer (even though it is on the same panel).

For the 16 steps, I just wired up 16 boards. Why do anything by
(literally) halves?

I'l check the output of the TL072s (driving the pots) at the weekend
when I have some time. I'll also try and get my circuit diagramme
online although it will prabobly be hand-drawn; I've had no luck with
the circuit editor programmes I've tried.

Once again,

Thanks you,

Stuadh

(happy to private if you wish stuadh@...)
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, "bbluthang" <jumpswine@...> wrote:
>
> Hi
> I am willing to help but am unsure of your project
> Are you combining a Sequential Switch with a Seq/Programmer?
> >
> > I've checked that I'm putting +15V, 0V and -15V (actually +14.8V
> > and -15.2V...is this significant?
>
> shouldn't matter
>
> On reflection, this is probable cause by the LED
> > running to GND through the trigger switches, and I probably need to
> > wire it to GND via a resistor (prob 1K5).
>
> Leds always need a resistor to limit the current thru them, mainly for
> their own self protection, the resistor can go between power( for +V)
> and anode or ground and cathode, you only need one but it must be there.
>
>
> > the 1st and 16th steps, the idea being that I could reset to these
> > steps at the touch of a button. None of these buttons work.
> >
>
> What have you done to get a 16 step sequencer using Ken's boards? Not
> that it is difficult or wrong, just non-standard.
>
>
> > Also of significance is that there is the same output from each Row,
> > but that this is not affected by moving any of the knobs. This is
> > about 50mV.
>
> this is basically 0 - nothing is coming in. have you checked the
> outputs of whatever is driving the pots?
> >
> >
> >
> > I know it is a bit of a black art trying to diagnose these things in
> > person, much less by remote but I'd really appreciate some help, here
>
> if you could draw up a schematic of your mods, by hand is ok, it would
> help a lot. post it in files
> cheers
> Andrew
>

Re: Sequencer Project - It doesn't work!

2007-08-31 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

Hi,

Almost certainly you will find the problem is a bad solder joint or a
components in the wrong place or wrong way around, or some other sort of
construction error. The parts are pretty robust and will survive most of
that sort of construction error.

Ken
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>
>Very kind of you to help.
>
>I'm using a Doepfer Sequential Switch that I had a spare board from.
>It runs from the 4 Rows and can really be considered as separate to
>the Sequencer (even though it is on the same panel).
>
>For the 16 steps, I just wired up 16 boards. Why do anything by
>(literally) halves?
>
>I'l check the output of the TL072s (driving the pots) at the weekend
>when I have some time. I'll also try and get my circuit diagramme
>online although it will prabobly be hand-drawn; I've had no luck with
>the circuit editor programmes I've tried.
>
>Once again,
>
>Thanks you,
>
>Stuadh
>
>(happy to private if you wish stuadh@...)
>
>--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, "bbluthang" <jumpswine@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>> I am willing to help but am unsure of your project
>> Are you combining a Sequential Switch with a Seq/Programmer?
>> >
>> > I've checked that I'm putting +15V, 0V and -15V (actually +14.8V
>> > and -15.2V...is this significant?
>>
>> shouldn't matter
>>
>> On reflection, this is probable cause by the LED
>> > running to GND through the trigger switches, and I probably need to
>> > wire it to GND via a resistor (prob 1K5).
>>
>> Leds always need a resistor to limit the current thru them, mainly for
>> their own self protection, the resistor can go between power( for +V)
>> and anode or ground and cathode, you only need one but it must be there.
>>
>>
>> > the 1st and 16th steps, the idea being that I could reset to these
>> > steps at the touch of a button. None of these buttons work.
>> >
>>
>> What have you done to get a 16 step sequencer using Ken's boards? Not
>> that it is difficult or wrong, just non-standard.
>>
>>
>> > Also of significance is that there is the same output from each Row,
>> > but that this is not affected by moving any of the knobs. This is
>> > about 50mV.
>>
>> this is basically 0 - nothing is coming in. have you checked the
>> outputs of whatever is driving the pots?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I know it is a bit of a black art trying to diagnose these things in
>> > person, much less by remote but I'd really appreciate some help, here
>>
>> if you could draw up a schematic of your mods, by hand is ok, it would
>> help a lot. post it in files
>> cheers
>> Andrew
>>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
_______________________________________________________________________
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Re: Sequencer Project - It doesn't work!

2007-08-31 by stuadh

Hi,

I've posted the circuit diagrammes for the sequencer. Please excuse
the My First Circuit by Jonny aged 8 look. I've missed out some of
the circuit that doesn't affect the main body for clarity. It can be
found in Files/Programmer

Yours Aye

Stuadh
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, "stuadh" <stuadh@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Very kind of you to help.
>
> I'm using a Doepfer Sequential Switch that I had a spare board from.
> It runs from the 4 Rows and can really be considered as separate to
> the Sequencer (even though it is on the same panel).
>
> For the 16 steps, I just wired up 16 boards. Why do anything by
> (literally) halves?
>
> I'l check the output of the TL072s (driving the pots) at the weekend
> when I have some time. I'll also try and get my circuit diagramme
> online although it will prabobly be hand-drawn; I've had no luck with
> the circuit editor programmes I've tried.
>
> Once again,
>
> Thanks you,
>
> Stuadh
>
> (happy to private if you wish stuadh@...)
>
> --- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, "bbluthang" <jumpswine@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> > I am willing to help but am unsure of your project
> > Are you combining a Sequential Switch with a Seq/Programmer?
> > >
> > > I've checked that I'm putting +15V, 0V and -15V (actually +14.8V
> > > and -15.2V...is this significant?
> >
> > shouldn't matter
> >
> > On reflection, this is probable cause by the LED
> > > running to GND through the trigger switches, and I probably need to
> > > wire it to GND via a resistor (prob 1K5).
> >
> > Leds always need a resistor to limit the current thru them, mainly for
> > their own self protection, the resistor can go between power( for +V)
> > and anode or ground and cathode, you only need one but it must be
there.
> >
> >
> > > the 1st and 16th steps, the idea being that I could reset to these
> > > steps at the touch of a button. None of these buttons work.
> > >
> >
> > What have you done to get a 16 step sequencer using Ken's boards? Not
> > that it is difficult or wrong, just non-standard.
> >
> >
> > > Also of significance is that there is the same output from
each Row,
> > > but that this is not affected by moving any of the knobs. This is
> > > about 50mV.
> >
> > this is basically 0 - nothing is coming in. have you checked the
> > outputs of whatever is driving the pots?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I know it is a bit of a black art trying to diagnose these things in
> > > person, much less by remote but I'd really appreciate some help,
here
> >
> > if you could draw up a schematic of your mods, by hand is ok, it would
> > help a lot. post it in files
> > cheers
> > Andrew
> >
>

Re: Sequencer Project - It doesn't work!

2007-09-01 by bbluthang

Hi
thanks for posting the designs, its still a bit hard to grok what
your're doing but Ken will almost certainly be right - look for
construction error(s) - something left unsoldered, wrong way around,
etc....sometimes its better when the smoke comes out cos then you know
exactly where to look.
good luck
Andrew
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, "stuadh" <stuadh@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I've posted the circuit diagrammes for the sequencer. Please excuse
> the My First Circuit by Jonny aged 8 look. I've missed out some of
> the circuit that doesn't affect the main body for clarity. It can be
> found in Files/Programmer
>
> Yours Aye
>
> Stuadh
> --- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, "stuadh" <stuadh@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Very kind of you to help.
> >
> > I'm using a Doepfer Sequential Switch that I had a spare board from.
> > It runs from the 4 Rows and can really be considered as separate to
> > the Sequencer (even though it is on the same panel).
> >
> > For the 16 steps, I just wired up 16 boards. Why do anything by
> > (literally) halves?
> >
> > I'l check the output of the TL072s (driving the pots) at the weekend
> > when I have some time. I'll also try and get my circuit diagramme
> > online although it will prabobly be hand-drawn; I've had no luck with
> > the circuit editor programmes I've tried.
> >
> > Once again,
> >
> > Thanks you,
> >
> > Stuadh
> >
> > (happy to private if you wish stuadh@)
> >
> > --- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, "bbluthang" <jumpswine@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi
> > > I am willing to help but am unsure of your project
> > > Are you combining a Sequential Switch with a Seq/Programmer?
> > > >
> > > > I've checked that I'm putting +15V, 0V and -15V (actually
+14.8V
> > > > and -15.2V...is this significant?
> > >
> > > shouldn't matter
> > >
> > > On reflection, this is probable cause by the LED
> > > > running to GND through the trigger switches, and I probably
need to
> > > > wire it to GND via a resistor (prob 1K5).
> > >
> > > Leds always need a resistor to limit the current thru them,
mainly for
> > > their own self protection, the resistor can go between power(
for +V)
> > > and anode or ground and cathode, you only need one but it must be
> there.
> > >
> > >
> > > > the 1st and 16th steps, the idea being that I could reset to these
> > > > steps at the touch of a button. None of these buttons work.
> > > >
> > >
> > > What have you done to get a 16 step sequencer using Ken's
boards? Not
> > > that it is difficult or wrong, just non-standard.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Also of significance is that there is the same output from
> each Row,
> > > > but that this is not affected by moving any of the knobs. This is
> > > > about 50mV.
> > >
> > > this is basically 0 - nothing is coming in. have you checked the
> > > outputs of whatever is driving the pots?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I know it is a bit of a black art trying to diagnose these
things in
> > > > person, much less by remote but I'd really appreciate some help,
> here
> > >
> > > if you could draw up a schematic of your mods, by hand is ok, it
would
> > > help a lot. post it in files
> > > cheers
> > > Andrew
> > >
> >
>

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