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CGS75 VCS troubleshooting

2010-10-28 by russma04

When I plug in the VCS and measure the power pins from the bottom of the PCB, I don't get + and - 15v, I get much smaller amounts.

Also, when the VCS is plugged in, my dotcom Q960 doesn't work at all.

No smoke, nothing seems to be getting hot.

Any ideas?

Thanks

Re: CGS75 VCS troubleshooting

2010-10-28 by Richard Brewster

With power unplugged, measure the resistance from +15 pin to ground and
-15 pin to ground. Mine are 5K (+15) and 350K (-15). Yours should be
similar or something is amiss.

Richard Brewster
http://pugix.com
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On 10/28/10 2:19 PM, russma04 wrote:
> When I plug in the VCS and measure the power pins from the bottom of the PCB, I don't get + and - 15v, I get much smaller amounts.
>
> Also, when the VCS is plugged in, my dotcom Q960 doesn't work at all.
>
> No smoke, nothing seems to be getting hot.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Re: CGS75 VCS troubleshooting

2010-10-28 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

Backwards chip?

It sounds like your PSU is going into current limit/shutdown when switched
on, due to the excessive load.

Ken
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>When I plug in the VCS and measure the power pins from the bottom of the
PCB, I don't get + and - 15v, I get much smaller amounts.
>
>Also, when the VCS is plugged in, my dotcom Q960 doesn't work at all.
>
>No smoke, nothing seems to be getting hot.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>Thanks
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
_______________________________________________________________________
Ken Stone sasami@... otherunicorn@...
Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.cgs.synth.net/>
Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>

Re: CGS75 VCS troubleshooting

2010-10-28 by russma04

Thanks Richard and Ken. Unplugged power pin resistance measures 5K and 58K. No backwards chips. What else would cause the excessive load?
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@... wrote:
>
> Backwards chip?
>
> It sounds like your PSU is going into current limit/shutdown when switched
> on, due to the excessive load.
>
> Ken
>
> >When I plug in the VCS and measure the power pins from the bottom of the
> PCB, I don't get + and - 15v, I get much smaller amounts.
> >
> >Also, when the VCS is plugged in, my dotcom Q960 doesn't work at all.
> >
> >No smoke, nothing seems to be getting hot.
> >
> >Any ideas?
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------
> >
> >The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________________________________
> Ken Stone sasami@... otherunicorn@...
> Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.cgs.synth.net/>
> Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
>

Re: CGS75 VCS troubleshooting

2010-10-29 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

>Thanks Richard and Ken. Unplugged power pin resistance measures 5K and 58K.
No backwards chips. What else would cause the excessive load?

Measure both directions incase you have a diode effect happening (i.e. the
load is only in one direction).

A wiring error - such as one of the power rails accidently being connected
to the front panel instead of 0V. When it is mounted, you would get a short
circuit.

Ken

>--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@... wrote:
>>
>> Backwards chip?
>>
>> It sounds like your PSU is going into current limit/shutdown when switched
>> on, due to the excessive load.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> >When I plug in the VCS and measure the power pins from the bottom of the
>> PCB, I don't get + and - 15v, I get much smaller amounts.
>> >
>> >Also, when the VCS is plugged in, my dotcom Q960 doesn't work at all.
>> >
>> >No smoke, nothing seems to be getting hot.
>> >
>> >Any ideas?
>> >
>> >Thanks
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >------------------------------------
>> >
>> >The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>> >Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> _______________________________________________________________________
>> Ken Stone sasami@... otherunicorn@...
>> Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.cgs.synth.net/>
>> Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
>>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
_______________________________________________________________________
Ken Stone sasami@... otherunicorn@...
Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.cgs.synth.net/>
Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>

Re: CGS75 VCS troubleshooting

2010-10-29 by Ove Ridé

Is the power header correctly mounted to the board and connected?
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On 29 October 2010 01:34, russma04 <russm@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Thanks Richard and Ken. Unplugged power pin resistance measures 5K and 58K. No backwards chips. What else would cause the excessive load?
>
> --- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@... wrote:
> >
> > Backwards chip?
> >
> > It sounds like your PSU is going into current limit/shutdown when switched
> > on, due to the excessive load.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > >When I plug in the VCS and measure the power pins from the bottom of the
> > PCB, I don't get + and - 15v, I get much smaller amounts.
> > >
> > >Also, when the VCS is plugged in, my dotcom Q960 doesn't work at all.
> > >
> > >No smoke, nothing seems to be getting hot.
> > >
> > >Any ideas?
> > >
> > >Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >------------------------------------
> > >
> > >The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
> > >Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > __________________________________________________________
> > Ken Stone sasami@... otherunicorn@...
> > Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.cgs.synth.net/>
> > Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
> >
>
>


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/Ove

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Re: CGS75 VCS troubleshooting

2010-10-29 by Richard Brewster

Very good point. The CGS75 board has the orientation of the 4-pin MOTM
MTA header facing IN, so that if you use a standard MOTM power cable,
the wires exit on the inside, going back over the board components.
This is the reverse of MOTM boards.

Richard Brewster
http://www.pugix.com
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On 10/29/10 7:29 AM, Ove Ridé wrote:
> Is the power header correctly mounted to the board and connected?
>

Re: CGS75 VCS troubleshooting

2010-10-29 by Todd

Maybe double check the wiring. You might be shorting out through a miswired pot.

-TF
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, "russma04" <russm@...> wrote:
>
> When I plug in the VCS and measure the power pins from the bottom of the PCB, I don't get + and - 15v, I get much smaller amounts.
>
> Also, when the VCS is plugged in, my dotcom Q960 doesn't work at all.
>
> No smoke, nothing seems to be getting hot.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks
>

Re: CGS75 VCS troubleshooting

2010-10-29 by russma04

Wow. That you so much for all your help folks.

I did indeed have the MOTM power header installed backwards. So I re-installed it correctly and it no longer pulls down the Q960, and the pins measure +/-15v.

I haven't had time yet to test all the other functions, I just wanted to give this update and say thanks.

Russ M.
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, Richard Brewster <pugix@...> wrote:
>
> Very good point. The CGS75 board has the orientation of the 4-pin MOTM
> MTA header facing IN, so that if you use a standard MOTM power cable,
> the wires exit on the inside, going back over the board components.
> This is the reverse of MOTM boards.
>
> Richard Brewster
> http://www.pugix.com
>
> On 10/29/10 7:29 AM, Ove Ridé wrote:
> > Is the power header correctly mounted to the board and connected?
> >
>

Re: CGS75 VCS troubleshooting

2010-10-29 by Ove Ridé

That's not good for either the power supply or the module. The power
supply might take damage from the overload (although good linear
regulators should have various shutdown mechanisms.) It's also not
good for the module since transistors (including those in ICs) have a
tendency to break down when you apply a reverse voltage. Definitely
watch out for weird behavior in the future.
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On 29 October 2010 19:36, russma04 <russm@...> wrote:
> Wow. That you so much for all your help folks.
>
> I did indeed have the MOTM power header installed backwards. So I re-installed it correctly and it no longer pulls down the Q960, and the pins measure +/-15v.
>
> I haven't had time yet to test all the other functions, I just wanted to give this update and say thanks.
>
> Russ M.
>
> --- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, Richard Brewster <pugix@...> wrote:
> >
> > Very good point. The CGS75 board has the orientation of the 4-pin MOTM
> > MTA header facing IN, so that if you use a standard MOTM power cable,
> > the wires exit on the inside, going back over the board components.
> > This is the reverse of MOTM boards.
> >
> > Richard Brewster
> > http://www.pugix.com
> >
> > On 10/29/10 7:29 AM, Ove Ridé wrote:
> > > Is the power header correctly mounted to the board and connected?
> > >
> >
>
>


--
/Ove

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Re: CGS75 VCS troubleshooting

2010-10-29 by Richard Brewster

This problem boils down to a reversed power connector. Not from
plugging in backwards, but from the connector being in backwards. Worst
case some chips may be blown. If they are in sockets, easy to swap.
Let us know what happened.

Richard
http://pugix.com
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On 10/29/10 1:51 PM, Ove Ridé wrote:
> That's not good for either the power supply or the module. The power
> supply might take damage from the overload (although good linear
> regulators should have various shutdown mechanisms.) It's also not
> good for the module since transistors (including those in ICs) have a
> tendency to break down when you apply a reverse voltage. Definitely
> watch out for weird behavior in the future.
>
> On 29 October 2010 19:36, russma04<russm@...> wrote:
>> Wow. That you so much for all your help folks.
>>
>> I did indeed have the MOTM power header installed backwards. So I re-installed it correctly and it no longer pulls down the Q960, and the pins measure +/-15v.
>>
>> I haven't had time yet to test all the other functions, I just wanted to give this update and say thanks.
>>
>> Russ M.
>>
>> --- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, Richard Brewster<pugix@...> wrote:
>>> Very good point. The CGS75 board has the orientation of the 4-pin MOTM
>>> MTA header facing IN, so that if you use a standard MOTM power cable,
>>> the wires exit on the inside, going back over the board components.
>>> This is the reverse of MOTM boards.
>>>
>>> Richard Brewster
>>> http://www.pugix.com
>>>
>>> On 10/29/10 7:29 AM, Ove Ridé wrote:
>>>> Is the power header correctly mounted to the board and connected?
>>>>
>>
>
> --
> /Ove
>
> -----BEGIN 2ROT13 MESSAGE-----
> Blog:<http://blog.gg8.se/>
> Sätt på ett par flipflops, vippa på rumpan
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>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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