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run util lfo at audio freq

run util lfo at audio freq

2012-11-08 by spgjmf

wow its been a while....hi folks

Im planning a drone voice and was thinking the utility lfo module would be a simple oscillator if run at audio frequency. Anyone see a problem with this? The freq is set by the 47n cap on the integrator, maybe make is 4.7n ? I can experiment.

2 lfo, will give 4 voices, 4to1 mixer,a filter, then the tube/vca

-Jeff

Re: run util lfo at audio freq

2012-11-08 by Ove Ridé

On 9 November 2012 00:28, spgjmf <spgjmf@...> wrote:
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> wow its been a while....hi folks
>
> Im planning a drone voice and was thinking the utility lfo module would be
> a simple oscillator if run at audio frequency. Anyone see a problem with
> this? The freq is set by the 47n cap on the integrator, maybe make is 4.7n ?
> I can experiment.
>
> 2 lfo, will give 4 voices, 4to1 mixer,a filter, then the tube/vca

It will make a sound for sure, but don't expect it to be entirely
stable. It will most likely drift over time, not track naturally over
the range of the pitch pot, and drift when you turn the shape pot. If
you're fine with that, go for it.

--
/Ove

Blog: <http://blog.gg8.se/>

"Here is Evergreen City. Evergreen is the color of green forever."

Re: run util lfo at audio freq

2012-11-08 by Richarius Molindarius

Using a pair of them for a 'drone' could work out quite well. I've
almost completed a noise machine here, based on 4 x Voltage Controlled
Low Frequency Oscillators. Each of them, has the ability to modulate
2 of the other ones. (It's all hardwired, with attenuators for each
modulation input.)
The other day, when I set the 4 x VCLFOs to the same frequency and
just let them oscillate away, the 2 of them that did not have matching
transistors with a tempco, started wandering in pitch, every slowly.
The sound that started happening was absolutely incredible as the
'beating' started changing more and more over the hour or so that it
was running.
That as 1 of it's many functions. With each of the VCLFO's outputs
being switchable between triangle or squarewave and all of their
oscillation periods being approximately 0.1hz up to beyond human
hearing for 2 of them and about 3,000hz for the other two ... the
harmonic destruction capabilities of the unit are mindbending. :D
Once I add 2 outputs to it (it has stereo speakers in it's cabinet)
I'm going to toss it up on eBay. After of course, having shot a demo
video for it to post to my youtube site.

--
Take care,
Warmth and Peace,
Rich

http://www.damian.deathlehem.com/ - my modular synth
http://www.soundcloud.com/Richarius - my latest composition snippets
http://www.youtube.com/dolphinicus/ - various module videos of mine / etc.

Re: run util lfo at audio freq

2012-11-09 by spgjmf

yep, looking for the drift and beats between the tones.

ok, guess I order up some pcbs....Rich, what vclfo are you using?
cross modulation is also fun, although my drone machines is more for turning knobs and riding the drift.

while on the topic of the util lfo, - the pulse output on mine does not trigger the trigger inputs on my serger dsg (1985 vintage).
did I wire it wrong? its been 5 years, so I'll have to check...
I meter and get neg dc then pos up to ~3v. I am runnin on +/-12. maybe thats a prob? wud a gate to trigger borad clean it op or a tranny buffer??? the sq wave trigger dsg fine.

need to pull it from the rack....

thanks for all the "feedback"
best
Jeff
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, Richarius Molindarius <richmolindarius@...> wrote:
>
> Using a pair of them for a 'drone' could work out quite well. I've
> almost completed a noise machine here, based on 4 x Voltage Controlled
> Low Frequency Oscillators. Each of them, has the ability to modulate
> 2 of the other ones. (It's all hardwired, with attenuators for each
> modulation input.)
> The other day, when I set the 4 x VCLFOs to the same frequency and
> just let them oscillate away, the 2 of them that did not have matching
> transistors with a tempco, started wandering in pitch, every slowly.
> The sound that started happening was absolutely incredible as the
> 'beating' started changing more and more over the hour or so that it
> was running.
> That as 1 of it's many functions. With each of the VCLFO's outputs
> being switchable between triangle or squarewave and all of their
> oscillation periods being approximately 0.1hz up to beyond human
> hearing for 2 of them and about 3,000hz for the other two ... the
> harmonic destruction capabilities of the unit are mindbending. :D
> Once I add 2 outputs to it (it has stereo speakers in it's cabinet)
> I'm going to toss it up on eBay. After of course, having shot a demo
> video for it to post to my youtube site.
>
> --
> Take care,
> Warmth and Peace,
> Rich
>
> http://www.damian.deathlehem.com/ - my modular synth
> http://www.soundcloud.com/Richarius - my latest composition snippets
> http://www.youtube.com/dolphinicus/ - various module videos of mine / etc.
>

Re: run util lfo at audio freq

2012-11-09 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

I don't see any reason why it would not be stable. The parts of a VCO
circuit that cause instability are in the voltage to current converter. The
utility LFO doesn't have this section of circuitry at all!

Ken
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>On 9 November 2012 00:28, spgjmf <spgjmf@...> wrote:
>> wow its been a while....hi folks
>>
>> Im planning a drone voice and was thinking the utility lfo module would be
>> a simple oscillator if run at audio frequency. Anyone see a problem with
>> this? The freq is set by the 47n cap on the integrator, maybe make is 4.7n ?
>> I can experiment.
>>
>> 2 lfo, will give 4 voices, 4to1 mixer,a filter, then the tube/vca
>
>It will make a sound for sure, but don't expect it to be entirely
>stable. It will most likely drift over time, not track naturally over
>the range of the pitch pot, and drift when you turn the shape pot. If
>you're fine with that, go for it.
>
>--
>/Ove
>
>Blog: <http://blog.gg8.se/>
>
>"Here is Evergreen City. Evergreen is the color of green forever."
>
>
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>
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Re: run util lfo at audio freq

2012-11-10 by spgjmf

hacked on my current Ulfo this morning - a 330pf cap gave me a nice audio range, I'll parallel switch this with a .0047 for bass. maybe rotatory switch to get the full lfo to audio range. slope knob makes from smooth to buzzy...nice


pulse out is working again, bad solder joint....

best,
Jeff
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@... wrote:
>
> I don't see any reason why it would not be stable. The parts of a VCO
> circuit that cause instability are in the voltage to current converter. The
> utility LFO doesn't have this section of circuitry at all!
>
> Ken
>
> >On 9 November 2012 00:28, spgjmf <spgjmf@...> wrote:
> >> wow its been a while....hi folks
> >>
> >> Im planning a drone voice and was thinking the utility lfo module would be
> >> a simple oscillator if run at audio frequency. Anyone see a problem with
> >> this? The freq is set by the 47n cap on the integrator, maybe make is 4.7n ?
> >> I can experiment.
> >>
> >> 2 lfo, will give 4 voices, 4to1 mixer,a filter, then the tube/vca
> >
> >It will make a sound for sure, but don't expect it to be entirely
> >stable. It will most likely drift over time, not track naturally over
> >the range of the pitch pot, and drift when you turn the shape pot. If
> >you're fine with that, go for it.
> >
> >--
> >/Ove
> >
> >Blog: <http://blog.gg8.se/>
> >
> >"Here is Evergreen City. Evergreen is the color of green forever."
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------
> >
> >The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________________________________
> Ken Stone sasami@... otherunicorn@...
> Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.cgs.synth.net/>
> Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
>

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