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CGS in Blacet/frac-rack format?

CGS in Blacet/frac-rack format?

2003-10-19 by rborisk

Hello,

I am looking for tips with regard to building cgs modules in the
frac-rack format in order to complement my small blacet rig. Can
anyone suggest US part numbers (mouser/digikey, etc.) for
small pots and switches that would help me to save panel
space?

As far as pots go, I know that Blacet uses the panasonic 9mm
jobbies from digikey (page 720 of my catalog, which may be out
of date). However, these are surface mount only. There is one
type (Fig. 2) that has hardware for mounting to a panel, though
without solder lugs--can I just use this and solder to the smt
pins?

BTW, this is my first attempt at building modules. Any and all
tips/advice will be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
Bob

Re: CGS in Blacet/frac-rack format?

2003-10-19 by Larry Hendry

Bob, I think this "might" be the part number you are looking for.
EVU-E3JFK4B54
John Blacet uses two different types of these pots. He uses the 50K
with plastic bushings (no threads) and the 50K with metal bushings
(have threads). Obviously, you need the ones with threads for
separate panel mounting. Both of these are thru hole parts, not
surface mount. If you are a Blacet customer and tell him you want to
match pots for some DIY work, I expect he will tell you which part
number.

Here is a link to the data sheet that shows how the part number
relates to the particular features of that pot.

http://www.maco.panasonic.co.jp/www-data/pdf/AOK0000/AOK0000CE4.pdf

Since you are asking for tips, get some heat shrink just large enough
to cover the wire you solder to the pot pin and prepared the wires to
the normal thru-hole pins covered in this fashion.

Larry Hendry
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--- rborisk <rborisk@...> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am looking for tips with regard to building cgs modules in the
> frac-rack format in order to complement my small blacet rig. Can
> anyone suggest US part numbers (mouser/digikey, etc.) for
> small pots and switches that would help me to save panel
> space?
>
> As far as pots go, I know that Blacet uses the panasonic 9mm
> jobbies from digikey (page 720 of my catalog, which may be out
> of date). However, these are surface mount only. There is one
> type (Fig. 2) that has hardware for mounting to a panel, though
> without solder lugs--can I just use this and solder to the smt
> pins?
>
> BTW, this is my first attempt at building modules. Any and all
> tips/advice will be greatly appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
>
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Re: CGS in Blacet/frac-rack format?

2003-10-20 by rborisk

Hi Larry,

Thanks for your help. Of course, I am still confused. First of all,
the part number you suggested is for center-detent pots, which
generally I do not think I will need. (perhaps EVU-E2JFK4B54
would work...).Also, I only see code values for 5k, 10k, 20k, and
50k pots. Since many CGS modules, use, for instance, 100k
pots, I suspect I am out of luck or not understanding rating very
well (certainly possible...).

As your response indicates, I seem to have confused thru-hole
parts with surface-mount parts. I guess I meant to say I am
looking for small panel-mounting pots (neither smt nor
thru-hole) that have solder lugs so that I can run wires from a
pcb to a panel. Alternativelly, I wonder whether I can can solder to
thru-hole type-pins and then run cables to the PCB.
But I would prefer a solid mechanical connection (i.e., lugs), so
I suspect I need alternatives to the pots Blacet uses.

Also, please forgive me, but I could not parse the syntax of your
following tip:

"Since you are asking for tips, get some heat shrink just large
enough to cover the wire you solder to the pot pin and prepared
the wires to the normal thru-hole pins covered in this fashion."

Despite my confusion (and any more confusion I might be
perpetuating!), I am very thankful for your attempts to help.

Take care,
Bob

Re: CGS in Blacet/frac-rack format?

2003-10-20 by Larry Hendry

--- rborisk <rborisk@...> wrote:
> Hi Larry,
> Thanks for your help.
> Of course, I am still confused.

You are welcome. Confused? Been there, done that, AND I return on a
regular basis. :)

> the part number you suggested is for center-detent pots, which
> generally I do not think I will need. (perhaps EVU-E2JFK4B54
> would work...).Also, I only see code values for 5k, 10k, 20k, and
> 50k pots. Since many CGS modules, use, for instance, 100k
> pots, I suspect I am out of luck or not understanding rating very
> well (certainly possible...).

Yes, I was just using an example of the part numbers that have thru
hole pins.

> I guess I meant to say I am looking for small panel-mounting pots
> (neither smt nor thru-hole) that have solder lugs so that I can
> run wires from a pcb to a panel.

Very few of them are available that way. If you are willing to go to
a different format pot than what John uses, you can find them. Most
of the Alpha and sinilar carbon pots have solder lugs. They are less
common it seems to me in square format higher qality pots.

> Alternativelly, I wonder whether I can can solder to thru-hole
> type-pins and then run cables to the PCB.

Absolutely. Here is a photo where I have done just that AND, it
explains the statement below that did not make any sense. This is of
a Blacet PCB going into MOTM format. But, it covers the same type of
task as you describe. The pots you see in the photo are PCB thru
hole mount. You can bend the pin in a "U" shape and solder the wire
to it, the cover is all in heat shrink.

Larry

> "Since you are asking for tips, get some heat shrink just large
> enough to cover the wire you solder to the pot pin and prepared
> the wires to the normal thru-hole pins covered in this fashion."


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Re: CGS in Blacet/frac-rack format?

2003-10-21 by rborisk

Hey Larry!

Now I'm less confused--thanks again. BTW, I really enjoyed
having a look at your site--boy, things sure would be easier if I
decided to go the MOTM-route....

Here is a link to Larry's site (though I'm sure most of you have
seen it already)--very well-done and helpful to DIY'ers.

Cheers,
Bob
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, Larry Hendry
<hendrysr@y...> wrote:
> --- rborisk <rborisk@y...> wrote:
> > Hi Larry,
> > Thanks for your help.
> > Of course, I am still confused.
>
> You are welcome. Confused? Been there, done that, AND I
return on a
> regular basis. :)
>
> > the part number you suggested is for center-detent pots,
which
> > generally I do not think I will need. (perhaps EVU-E2JFK4B54
> > would work...).Also, I only see code values for 5k, 10k, 20k,
and
> > 50k pots. Since many CGS modules, use, for instance, 100k
> > pots, I suspect I am out of luck or not understanding rating
very
> > well (certainly possible...).
>
> Yes, I was just using an example of the part numbers that have
thru
> hole pins.
>
> > I guess I meant to say I am looking for small panel-mounting
pots
> > (neither smt nor thru-hole) that have solder lugs so that I can
> > run wires from a pcb to a panel.
>
> Very few of them are available that way. If you are willing to go
to
> a different format pot than what John uses, you can find them.
Most
> of the Alpha and sinilar carbon pots have solder lugs. They are
less
> common it seems to me in square format higher qality pots.
>
> > Alternativelly, I wonder whether I can can solder to thru-hole
> > type-pins and then run cables to the PCB.
>
> Absolutely. Here is a photo where I have done just that AND, it
> explains the statement below that did not make any sense.
This is of
> a Blacet PCB going into MOTM format. But, it covers the same
type of
> task as you describe. The pots you see in the photo are PCB
thru
> hole mount. You can bend the pin in a "U" shape and solder
the wire
> to it, the cover is all in heat shrink.
>
> Larry
>
> > "Since you are asking for tips, get some heat shrink just
large
> > enough to cover the wire you solder to the pot pin and
prepared
> > the wires to the normal thru-hole pins covered in this
fashion."
>
>
> __________________________________
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Re: CGS in Blacet/frac-rack format?

2003-10-21 by rborisk

Oops, forgot the link:
http://www.wiseguysynth.com/larry/default.htm

--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, "rborisk" <rborisk@y...>
wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> Hey Larry!
>
> Now I'm less confused--thanks again. BTW, I really enjoyed
> having a look at your site--boy, things sure would be easier if I
> decided to go the MOTM-route....
>
> Here is a link to Larry's site (though I'm sure most of you have
> seen it already)--very well-done and helpful to DIY'ers.
>
> Cheers,
> Bob
>
> --- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, Larry Hendry
> <hendrysr@y...> wrote:
> > --- rborisk <rborisk@y...> wrote:
> > > Hi Larry,
> > > Thanks for your help.
> > > Of course, I am still confused.
> >
> > You are welcome. Confused? Been there, done that, AND I
> return on a
> > regular basis. :)
> >
> > > the part number you suggested is for center-detent pots,
> which
> > > generally I do not think I will need. (perhaps
EVU-E2JFK4B54
> > > would work...).Also, I only see code values for 5k, 10k, 20k,
> and
> > > 50k pots. Since many CGS modules, use, for instance,
100k
> > > pots, I suspect I am out of luck or not understanding rating
> very
> > > well (certainly possible...).
> >
> > Yes, I was just using an example of the part numbers that
have
> thru
> > hole pins.
> >
> > > I guess I meant to say I am looking for small
panel-mounting
> pots
> > > (neither smt nor thru-hole) that have solder lugs so that I
can
> > > run wires from a pcb to a panel.
> >
> > Very few of them are available that way. If you are willing to
go
> to
> > a different format pot than what John uses, you can find
them.
> Most
> > of the Alpha and sinilar carbon pots have solder lugs. They
are
> less
> > common it seems to me in square format higher qality pots.
> >
> > > Alternativelly, I wonder whether I can can solder to thru-hole
> > > type-pins and then run cables to the PCB.
> >
> > Absolutely. Here is a photo where I have done just that AND,
it
> > explains the statement below that did not make any sense.
> This is of
> > a Blacet PCB going into MOTM format. But, it covers the
same
> type of
> > task as you describe. The pots you see in the photo are PCB
> thru
> > hole mount. You can bend the pin in a "U" shape and solder
> the wire
> > to it, the cover is all in heat shrink.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > > "Since you are asking for tips, get some heat shrink just
> large
> > > enough to cover the wire you solder to the pot pin and
> prepared
> > > the wires to the normal thru-hole pins covered in this
> fashion."
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
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Re: CGS in Blacet/frac-rack format?

2003-10-21 by Larry Hendry

Well, I'm glad you found the information useful. Many people on the
MOTM list love the Blacet products (I am certainly one of them).
and, you have to admire the efficiency of the format. However, I
personally like the large format. It is good to See some of the CGS
circuits gaining popularity with the MOTM format crowd.
Good luck with your building. I have my eye on two more CGS boards.
:)
Larry
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--- rborisk <rborisk@...> wrote:
> Hey Larry!
>
> Now I'm less confused--thanks again. BTW, I really enjoyed
> having a look at your site--boy, things sure would be easier if I
> decided to go the MOTM-route....
>
> Here is a link to Larry's site (though I'm sure most of you have
> seen it already)--very well-done and helpful to DIY'ers.
>
> Cheers,
> Bob


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